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Cpat Hair
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50 posted 12-19-2002 07:07 PM       View Profile for Cpat Hair   Email Cpat Hair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cpat Hair

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I've found very little in life that can't be taken seriously, Ron. I've found even less that can't be dismissed with a well-meaning laugh. The trick, as always, is to know which is the most appropriate response.
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To laugh at something does not mean you do not take it seriously any more than seriously discussing it mean you do not think it funny. I have found people's opinions should be taken seriously, but no one should take themselve so seriously that they can't laugh at themselves. Life can beat the tar out of you if you let it no matter how smart, how talented, or how good you are. Learning to laugh at yourself and at situations can sure ease the pain of the beatings you do take, and..lessen the in some cases the willingness of others to do the beating....

While I appreciate the subject being discussed can and should be thought about seriously, it also should be looked at with humor. You fellows going on in here like you do in the Philosophy area IS amusing... you are very serious and very intent on driving every last possible meaning out of the points being made...and are just as guilty as Casey. ( laughing)  

Want me to leave now Ron?
Brad
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51 posted 12-19-2002 08:40 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

But you haven't said anything funny yet.

You just keep telling other people to laugh.

Paul Wilson
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52 posted 12-19-2002 11:45 PM       View Profile for Paul Wilson   Email Paul Wilson   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Paul Wilson

To quote an old cliche'  "If the shoe fits wear it" If not buy a new pair...Paul

" To share my poems with you is to share my heart with you "


[This message has been edited by Paul Wilson (12-20-2002 12:05 AM).]

Titia Geertman
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53 posted 12-20-2002 06:29 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman


I won't go into the discussion of what poetry is or should be, that's an endless road, because to every individual, poetry means something else.

I've found this (I think) very interesting essay about poetry on the web wich I like to share. http://cs.alfred.edu/~maurojc/papers/english/poetry.html

To me...PIP is a kind of place I would like to compare to the local brown café, as we call it in Holland. A pub where you go in, sit down, look around, listen and take part in the conversation that's going on, if you want to.
And whether I connect with people in a pub and talk to them or connect with people on PIP and write words in some form of poetry, the purpose is the same: we're expressing feelings. And does it really matter if someone in a pub talks to me in perfect English (Dutch) or in any kind of dialect? Simple answer: NO and I don't tell them I'm not interested in what they have to say, just because I don't like the dialect they speak in. Same goes for me with poetry.

Oh well, I think I've just spend my two dimes.

Titia


Like scattered leaves...my words will flow

[This message has been edited by Titia Geertman (12-21-2002 05:38 AM).]

Ron
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54 posted 12-20-2002 09:09 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

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Cpat Hair said… you are very serious and very intent on driving every last possible meaning out of the points being made

Care to elaborate, Ron? That all sounds really profound, almost Zen-like, but seems to be a little short on meaning. What do you think the points being made are? What is the meaning being lost?
Midnitesun
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55 posted 12-20-2002 10:10 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Glitter? Guess I hadn't noticed. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I had no idea so many suckers came to this place!
Imagine that. Oh well, back to open.
Enjoy your search for a better site. Good luck.
garysgirl
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56 posted 12-21-2002 12:53 AM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

I didn't even know this thread was here until Titia wrote a poem about it at the Open Forum.
It seems that one of the people who think they're such excellent poets has come to the Open Forum to critique the other writers. (Note that I said "writers", because I am one of those.) I don't claim to be a "professional poet", but I did find a very friendly, loving and compassionate atmosphere here at PIP. The huge majority of people here are very tender-hearted people. How Ron has managed to accumulate such a large variety of people is that he has     excellent rules and guidelines that he (and his moderators) enforce. He has even set up different forums for people to gather who are interested in learning all the different techniques and styles of writing. But, I am almost certain that Ron (or the moderators) don't allow rudeness and downright mean remarks to be given. I don't know for certain, because I've never been to one of those forums. Why? Because I don't even call myself a poet and I certainly don't expect anyone else to.
Anyway, I know that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but can't they at least be courteous about it? I've had a few of the talented writers give me advice on different styles of poetry. I didn't mind that at all, because they did it in a very courteous and compassionate way. But when someone uses such words as "sucks" when replying or talking about someones heart-felt writing, that bothers me.
When that other person started attacking my "writings", it didn't bother me as much as it did when I read some of his replies to my other "family of friends".
I appreciate Ron for making this "home" here for people who love poetry, even if they don't know all the basics of writing poetry. It is a loving, compassionate, family and every person who comes here is welcomed with open arms. They may not feel welcomed for very long, though, if they're not friendly and compassionate to others. These loving people don't like someone to come in here thinking they know more than anybody else does.
I've always heard that to have friends, you have to be a friend. I have found that to be very true here.
Most people who come here have some things in common, even though everyone comes from different backgrounds. The first thing in common is that we all love poetry, or we wouldn't have come in the first place. The second is that, for whatever reason, we love to communicate on-line. This is the first site that I have ever communicated with anyone on the internet besides my family and my own personal friends. Since I have become acquainted with so many wonderful people here, this is where I stay most of the time I'm on the internet. The reason being that I felt loved and accepted here. I have gotten to know many of the people here through their poetry, because most of them write from their heart. When they do that, they reveal things about themselves that they sometimes had rather keep private...(speaking of myself). But in so doing, they receive inner healing of many scars put on their hearts from many different sources through their lives.
So, why do we all gather here? (because we want to). Why is it that sometimes what a critique would think are the "worst poems" get the most replies? Because whoever wrote the poem has made friends because they were a friend..............


Thank you, Ron, for giving us all this wonderful place where our "family of friends" can gather.

~Ethel........garysgirl~    
Christopher
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Purgatorial Incarceration


57 posted 12-21-2002 02:01 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

i don't think i could survive a Passions without tangents!!!
The Lonely Stranger
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58 posted 12-22-2002 08:12 AM       View Profile for The Lonely Stranger   Email The Lonely Stranger   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for The Lonely Stranger

[[[I have a question.

If this place is so terrible, and you hate it so much, why did you post a poem in Open?

Thank you.]]]

Romeo, they probably just read 199 of those lousy poems and wanted to be sure we got our ONE good one.

;^)

... and they sent him home happy ... one hundred percent.

 
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