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PoeticJustice
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since 11-29-2002
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AK, USA


0 posted 12-04-2002 03:03 AM       View Profile for PoeticJustice   Email PoeticJustice   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoeticJustice

I'm still new here and I just think you're all wayyyyy too lenient on your critique... All I ever here is "nice!", "awesome", "that's good!", "I love it!". Cmon, there's gotta be at least ONE mean person here!
Christopher
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Purgatorial Incarceration


1 posted 12-04-2002 03:27 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Have you posted in the Critical Analysis Forum yet? I can think of half a dozen people I would respectfully label many things... nice not among them.
Janet Marie
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since 01-22-2000
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2 posted 12-04-2002 08:10 AM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

(IMHO)The word "mean" and poetry dont belong together...If youre looking for one of those forums where everyone shreds one another to up their own egos, where everyone fights, acts catty and rude, then you are in the wrong place.
Constructive critique has nothing to do with being "mean"...even if a person were to read a poem they found "lacking" ...they should be able to tell the poet their opinion with respect kept in tact and not be "mean."
There is a differnce between constructive critique and trading insults. All too often that line gets blurred on the net. Ron and his Mods have worked very hard to create a place where poets can be assured those lines are well defined. Like Chris said if you want more in depth critique try CA, and also does your critique message make it clear that you want a certain type of response?
Also , some poets just dont feel comfortable or "qualified" to tell another how to write.
Hopefully no one gets comfortable being "mean."

RSWells
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since 06-17-2001
Posts 2607


3 posted 12-04-2002 10:40 AM       View Profile for RSWells   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RSWells

I'm mean. This just isn't the place. We, all amatuers, may not feel qualified to judge the quality of others work. There are places on the net that get down and dirty. The worst that will happen here is you'll not get comments or that the few, out of politeness, will be transparent enough that all but the obtuse will get the message, or lack thereof. The aforementioned forum will try and help you with your craft.
I posted in innocense elsewhere and was attacked. I was (if I don't mind saying) outstanding in my verbal vengance, but it drained my energy and detracted me from what I really wanted to say and what direction I would hope my life to go in.
Live and learn I suppose.
Sunshine
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since 06-25-99
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Listening to every heart


4 posted 12-04-2002 10:43 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

PJ, there's a critique button that you can push in your profile, and it will tell the members that you want constructive critiques.  You also have the opportunity of defining your request and letting us know what you are looking for - be it in the form of editorial; grammatical, overall consensus; even a deeply philosophical approach, i.e., "what does my poetry SAY to you?"

But it's up to YOU to punch that button!  Let us know what you want, and chances are, you're going to get it.

With a side-serving of Nice, of course!  
hush
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since 05-27-2001
Posts 1693
Ohio, USA


5 posted 12-04-2002 11:10 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Half a dozen, Chris? Jeez, we're not that mean in CA, are we?

Poetic Justice, your gripe is why I never post poetry in the busy main forums. If you really want long, in-depth dissection of your poetry, try CA, it's the best place to look for critique.
Christopher
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Purgatorial Incarceration


6 posted 12-04-2002 08:13 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

awww, hush, you make up two out of that six! (brad's the other four!)
Brad
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since 08-20-99
Posts 5896
Jejudo, South Korea


7 posted 12-04-2002 08:47 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

My name is legion.
PoeticJustice
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since 11-29-2002
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8 posted 12-05-2002 02:31 AM       View Profile for PoeticJustice   Email PoeticJustice   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoeticJustice

Hmm... I'll have to try that forum. But I didn't mean mean, I meant more like instead of saying "it's nice!" or "I love it!" as I see for just about everything(I understand how it's hard to critique poetry for what it means, poetry is straight from a person's soul, not something that's right or wrong), but stuff like, "well it seemed a little forced here," "you could have described this better here," and stuff like that. But I imagine what I'm looking for is in the critical analysis forum... And I guess I'm not used to such a positive response (I rarely show my poetry to other people).
Midnitesun
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Gaia


9 posted 12-07-2002 04:00 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

You might also try the Sanctuary.
Some of us haven't got a mean bone in our body...but if you really want critiques?
LOL, I'll pick apart your next post IF I find so much as a typo.
But mean? NEVER! I left that forum when I joined PIPS.  
Brad
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Jejudo, South Korea


10 posted 12-08-2002 09:01 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I've read you stuff. You don't want to hear my opinion.
aaron woodside
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Posts 264


11 posted 12-24-2002 02:52 AM       View Profile for aaron woodside   Email aaron woodside   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for aaron woodside

Lol well, Brad I'd actually like your opinion on my one poem over in the Crit forum.  I'm pretty open to changing just about everything in it, as I hope to enter it in a contest soon.  I actually felt a little...slighted when you didn't respond to it.     Thnx to hush for their opinions, I thought them quite useful.  I would post in the crit forum but I don't think myself a decent enough writer to suggest anything for someone else's poems in that forum.

ex animo,
Aaron Woodside

There are no great men, only men in great circumstances.

serenity blaze
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since 02-02-2000
Posts 28839


12 posted 12-24-2002 06:09 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

One word:

"Thorazine"

(and now?)

"Have a Disney Day!"

(izzit me? or should I have my hormones checked?)

OH.

"And for your own safety, please remain seated and keep your hands and feet in the cart at all times."

?
Brad
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Posts 5896
Jejudo, South Korea


13 posted 12-24-2002 04:23 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Sorry, that wasn't meant seriously. I'll try to get to that poem later. 'Her Secret', right? Quickly, while you have some interesting points, I don't think you've made it dramatic enough and by that I don't mean emotional, I mean more like a play.

aaron woodside
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Posts 264


14 posted 12-24-2002 06:21 PM       View Profile for aaron woodside   Email aaron woodside   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for aaron woodside

Her secret.  Yes thats it.  I'll look into what you said and will say.  Thnx in advance.

ex animo,
Aaron Woodside

There are no great men, only men in great circumstances.

fractal007
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since 06-01-2000
Posts 2032


15 posted 12-28-2002 11:42 PM       View Profile for fractal007   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for fractal007

I sorta agree with you, PJ, but in my experience it doesn't matter what people say about a poem when you first post it.  In the end you'll look at the poem a year later and think it sounds really stupid.  But that's just my experience.  

I still have to work up the courage to start posting in CA again.  Last time I posted there was during my time creating mutated iambic pentameter.  

"If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh"

-- Magus

poohbear19
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since 02-02-2003
Posts 101
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16 posted 02-04-2003 08:21 PM       View Profile for poohbear19   Email poohbear19   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for poohbear19

I can be mean but only if someone wants me to actually critique their work. I like my work critiqued too.

Andrea
defenestrate
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since 01-10-2003
Posts 47
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17 posted 02-04-2003 10:34 PM       View Profile for defenestrate   Email defenestrate   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for defenestrate

i think this is a very lacking rant. hardly took up two lines. and what a hackneyed plea-another poet looking to be an ascetic. do me a favor and complain about something that grabs my interest, like the lack of the use of the word "calumny". best of luck next time (hope that's not too nice), but this is a real buzzkill as a rant.

(mean mode off)
chasing rain
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since 05-15-2001
Posts 1281
Canada


18 posted 02-09-2003 08:46 PM       View Profile for chasing rain   Email chasing rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for chasing rain

FOR SHAME!!!

If I was too happy, I'd have no smile to give. I mean, really, would you classify a smile eternally plastered on someone's face 24/7 (yes, even in their sleep) a smile? NO! NEVER!

Maybe.

Leah
alterego
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since 02-23-2002
Posts 168
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


19 posted 02-14-2003 08:53 PM       View Profile for alterego   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for alterego

Something else you might consider as well..  there are probably more people reading your poetry than will ever respond to it... something I had to learn the hard way.  I read a fair amount of what gets put up, but I've come to be not so comfortable posting to critique for good or bad.  I just like to read poetry.  So, if you like to write it, and you think it's good enough to post, that's really all that matters here.

Sheila

Create something infinite today - Smile!!!

sellout007
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since 02-14-2003
Posts 113
Suburbs of Chicago, IL


20 posted 02-15-2003 06:06 PM       View Profile for sellout007   Email sellout007   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit sellout007's Home Page   View IP for sellout007

I thought about this when i first got here. But i got to realizing that there are *tons* of people readding each post. So out of lets say out of 500 people that view your post, you get 9 replies that say your work was great. What did the other 491 people think of it? Some either just didnt post, or they didnt post because they didnt like it.

Which i find respectful. If you dont like it, dont post. I only post in the poems that i truely do like. If i dont like it...or more then not dont understand it(still new to poetry i get stuck on meanings alot *lol) i just dont post.

A dream is but a dream, you can wake up.  Reality is ultimate, and those who share it with us are far more important than anything we could remember,

Dopey Dope
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21 posted 02-23-2003 06:25 PM       View Profile for Dopey Dope   Email Dopey Dope   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dopey Dope

I'm pretty mean buddy
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