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Honeybee
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Okay, I've never posted a genuine complaint in here before. But, THIS is the mother of all complaints.

Before I begin, understand that this is not a personal attack on Americans as a whole. I realize that there are kind and ignorant individuals from every country. In fact, I adore Balladeer, Poet Devine, Nan, Sven, Janet Marie, Larry C, etc, all of which are American. So, believe me when I say I don't want to point the finger or insult an innocent person.

However, in this case, many Canadians as well as myself have every right to be dissapointed in and angry with the crass New Yorkers who disrespected my country.

Briefly, as many here may already know, a few nights ago the Toronto Maple Leafs played against the NY Islanders in their state. Well, it seems that those particular New Yorkers felt like being children and decided to boo during the Canadian national anthem.
Their lame excuse was 'it was against the players, not towards Canada." Well, do me a favour and save that load of bs for someone who isn't a simpleton! If you have any sort of bitterness towards certain players you NEVER take out your frustration on them during another country's national anthem! That is unbelieveably disrespectful. What planet are you people from? Does common sense and decency even exist in your world? And, even the point that 'it was against the players' isn't even valid enough. The players did nothing wrong, their only fault was that they won the previous two games. Oooooh, heaven forbid! How dare a Canadian team defeat an American team. Note the damn sarcasm.

And then, to make things worse, on Monday, when the Toronto Raptors played against Detroit, the same immature thing occured. The Americans booed during the Canadian national anthem. Number one, the Raptors lost the previous games, so there was no reason for the American audience to hold a grudge! There obviously was no anger towards the players, so was is the deal?!

What I find humourous and truly pathetic is, you'd think that New Yorkers of all people would not be so callous as to treat another country like dirt, considering the terrorist attacks. What ever happened to compassion and respect? May I remind those particular Americans that Canada came to the rescue of the states immediately after the attacks.
We donated large amounts of money (and I mean LARGE amounts), many of us flocked to the red cross to donate blood. When many of the passengers from the flights on Sept. 11 were stranded in Canada, many of us took them into our homes. And, of course, President Bush acknowledged and thanked several nations, but, overlooked us, because we're 'neighbours' and it goes without saying. Puh-leeease! Yet another lame excuse. And may I remind these certain Americans that last week four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight were injured as a result of an American 'friendly fire' in Afghanistan. I won't comment on that, I'm sure you can read my mind already.

Yes, many Canadians are taking the 'booing' very personal!

My mom and I own our own business and we have many tourists as customers, those from England, Austrailia, Greece, etc. And they adore Canada, but, you'd be shocked at the negative remarks they make against Americans. And trust me, whenever any American is rude to any other country, especially Canada, the whole world learns about it. And they look down upon the states even more. Sorry, if I'm straying off topic. But, this point needed to be known.

Get over yourself! Welcome to a new reality. Canada as well as the rest of the world will not tolerate your global bullying and arrogance anymore.
Plain and simple these particular Americans are completely at fault. Basically, it's jealousy on their part. I notice that certain Americans show their claws when they feel threatened. Give it up! Grow up! And you owe us a SINCERE apology!

Now, the NY islanders are playing in Toronto tonight against the Maple Leafs and rumour has it that the Canadians will boo during the American national anthem to give them a taste of their own medicine. Honestly, I feel that two wrongs don't make a right. However, perhaps just this once we should boo to show those particular Americans that Canada will not take their crap!

Thus endeth my beef!
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damn i cant believe all the poor sportsmanship going on. I am sorry to hear of how rudely they disrespected your country, that just is not right at all.
... you brought up some really good points melissa, and I agree with you.
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New Yorkers being crass, rude, raucous, disrespectful... this is news to you?  lol  

my first thought on reading this was, yeah, thatís terrible.  certainly not very sporting, anyway.  but ya know?  i think the boos in a way may actually be a sign of respect.  they do have a funny way of showing it, iíll grant you that.  i donít know exactly what happened at the islanders/leafs game (iím not a big hockey fan anyway), but if canada hadnít beat the US for gold medals in both menís and womenís hockey, and if the maple leafs were a truly pathetic team, i bet nothing would have happened... for any sports team, getting booed in NYC is a badge of honor, lol, something to be proud of, it means youíre pretty darn good and they (new yorkers) know it.  (of course it can also mean some of the players bad-mouthed the home team or the city in the newspapers the day before, but thatís a different story, lol.)  

and anyway, NYC moves to its own beat, its own energy, and sure, itís obnoxious sometimes, but thatís what makes the city so great.  new yorkers are brash, arrogant, vocal, unafraid to tell you exactly what they think.  not that booing during another countryís national anthem is what makes NYC great, mind you Ė iím not condoing that Ė but its that same brash, rude, wild, raucous energy that makes NYC the most exciting city in the world, the city that never sleeps, the place where things happen in business, arts, culture, you name it.  i guess what iím saying is that what is perceived as new york (or american) rudeness and bold arrogance is a two-edged sword; itís ugly sometimes, but that same attitude is responsible for a heck of a lot of pretty great things, too, and itís hard (or impossible) to separate the two.  new yorkers.... ya gotta both love Ďem and hate Ďem, but thatís life in the Big Apple, lol.

as for the good people of Detroit... well, they throw squid and octopi on the ice up there, too... thereís just no explaining them, maybe something in the water, lol.

anyway, donít take it personally... itís just a hockey game, lighten up a little... do what the fans of sports teams from other US cities do: chuckle, shake your head and say, yep, thatís new york for ya.  and by all means boo Ďem when they come to your town, lol.  
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3 posted 04-26-2002 06:54 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Melissa, you're confusing New Yorkers with Americans...


Larry C is an American? Whodathink?
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LOL I love your reply Jenni

Thanks to all three of you for humouring me  

Although, I'm not even angry anymore, I do stand behind all that I have said except for the last line.  Actually, I hope that the Canadians didn't boo, I want us to be respectful and show that we have class!

Here's a cute story for you:
I was in the grocery store last night, and I overheard a conversation in the next line.  Well, I'm not sure if this particular man moved to Canada or is just visiting, but, an American brought up the 'booing' incident, and he was so sweet to the counter clerk.  He said "I just want to apologize on behalf of all Americans, it's so disgusting how they disrespected your national anthem."
I wanted to hug him, I was so impressed by his kindness and intelligence.  Yet, at the same time, I felt bad for him because he did nothing wrong, and it's sad in a sense that he was so emabarrased by these crass Americans that he felt he had to apologize.  Now that's a classy man!

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*sigh* for two countries that are supposed to be neighbors, we sure hate each other a lot, don't we? *rolls eyes* Even my half-American best friend has that anti-American attitude that seems to be prevaling in my town since the flag incident at the Olympics. It's sad, really.
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Melissa
We Americans behave pretty ridiculously at sporting events.  We even trash our own cities in celebration when our team wins, or in anger when our teams lose.
You're trying to make sense of a senseless, childish, inhumane act.  I was really hoping, as you acurately said, that we had gotten over ourselves, as least somewhat in the past months.  I can't speak for the people who booed Canada's national anthem but I can tell you, that some of us have changed.  Though, I would never behave so ridiculously at a sporting event (would have to actually GO to one...lol), I do understand the tunnel vision a lot of us possess.  The 'self importance'.  That attitude (however unintentional) is what I am trying to change.
It was only recently, when Tracey pointed it out to me...that I realized there was actually a country above the U.S....and not just the black spot I saw on weather maps.
Thanks for not thinking all Americans are like the one's you described, though it won't bother me at all, if you want to think all sports fans are like that...lol.
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See why I don't attend sports contests?  And when I do go to them [local basketball events and the like] I stand when the flag is raised, and when the teams are announced, I clap for both sides.  Just to be ornery, I sometimes pick up the cheer for the team who is losing, no matter which town they are from.  

I am disrespectful of disrespect in general.  I think it is a dirty and diseased dog, and needs to be down.  Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE dogs, cats, and most every animal imaginable, but when a disease is rampant, it's time to clean house.

Best disease control I still know of is by way of example.

I am sorry, Melybee, that you were offended.  I cannot say anything for the NYC people in their defense.  I can only say I am ashamed, and hope you will accept my little apology that ALL USA citizens are not this crass.
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Melissa,
I'm American enough to start wishing I was Canadian! Funnyone that Balladeer! And shame on you for giving sports fans credit for having brains! You only have to look world wide at sporting event riots to realize the average IQ of a sports fan is... Well, I'd tell you but they can't handle the truth! And I'd like to find that line for the hugs your giving out! By the way...have I told you lately how cute you are when you're mad? Well you are.

It's never too late to have a good childhood! Woohoo!

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Duncan & Skyfire - Yes, it truly is sad.
This type of poor sportsmanship doesn't surprise me at all, but, it still urks me from time to time. I am one proud Canadian who will defend her country to the death! Thank you for commenting

Karilea - You're the sweetest!  Thanks!
And I forgot to add your name to my list of those Americans I adore

Larry Little ole me mad?  Never!  I'm the posterchild for innocence hehe
And ahem! I'm a huge sportsfan, hockey and baseball all the way, baby! Mama didn't raise no fool. But, since I'm a woman, I'm a genius Oh geez, you alway seem to bring out the 'crazy' in me.  But, that's a good thing!

"Poetry is not an opinion expressed...
it is a song that rises from a bleeding
wound...or a smiling mouth"

~Kahlil Gibran~

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Missy,
So you are gonna compel me to confess to enjoying baseball, basketball, football, hockey...but not all that actively! LMBO So I don't get that hug afterall...eh?

It's never too late to have a good childhood! Woohoo!

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11 posted 04-27-2002 09:39 PM       View Profile for Honeybee   Email Honeybee   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Honeybee


and and a for Mr. Sagittarius!

"Poetry is not an opinion expressed...
it is a song that rises from a bleeding
wound...or a smiling mouth"

~Kahlil Gibran~

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12 posted 04-27-2002 11:07 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Woooooohoooooo!

It's never too late to have a good childhood! Woohoo!

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I don't know. It's been a long time since I've been to New York and an even longer time since I've attended a hockey game, but from what I remember New Yorkers were never as brash as they presented themselves as. Quite nice as I recall.

Hockey games, on the other hand, have a culture unto themselves. Irreverance is practically a duty at these things and while I won't defend what happened, I can certainly see it happening. So, I guess I would argue less that it was New York attitude, less that it was a sports thing, and more the peculiar ways in which ice hockey fans push the envelope of civility.

It's actually kind of fun if understood in its context.

Perhaps because the danger of going too far is always present?

[This message has been edited by Brad (04-27-2002 11:52 PM).]

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when did canada become a country???
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15 posted 04-28-2002 05:29 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Uh, Christopher, I think that CLUNK you just heard was you being dropped from Melissa'a Christmas card list!
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I don't know when we became a country, but we got indoor plumbing yesterday!
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hehe I wuv ya cutie patootie!
Michael is officially my manager now!
But, I'm still the boss cause I'm the woman

"Poetry is not an opinion expressed...
it is a song that rises from a bleeding
wound...or a smiling mouth"

~Kahlil Gibran~

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Thank you Melissa, you said a mouthful!!!
I agree not all Americans are rude. I think it is the mind set that they are the biggest and best that upsets me. I would just suggest that they find a more appropriate time to boo our visiting teams, include us in their "thank you" speeches, and try harder not to bomb us when we are trying to help them round up terrorists.  I am giving you all a link to my own beef on this topic.
Living in Our Neighbour's Shadow in #20

Love, Light and Peace,

Sherry

P.s. Christopher~~~July 1st (not 4th) 1867


Cherish the good memories past and look forward to the adventure called Tomorrow.
But above all... be kind to yourself today.

[This message has been edited by Magicmystery (04-29-2002 01:44 PM).]

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Now, you've got my "BRAVO!" Sherry!     

Here's an update for y'all:
Last night the Toronto Maple Leafs massacred the NY Islanders, woo hoo!  And now the Islanders are out and the Maple Leafs will move on to the finals - now that is sweeeeeet victory, indeed!  Obviously, God saw to it that the better team won.
And to top it all off, the Canadian crowd in Toronto choose to applaud the american national anthem to show that we have class!
That is the sweetest revenge ever!


"Poetry is not an opinion expressed...
it is a song that rises from a bleeding
wound...or a smiling mouth"

~Kahlil Gibran~

[This message has been edited by Melissa Honeybee (05-01-2002 10:49 PM).]

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Melissa, I am replying only after removing the arrow you shot into my heart (the heart of the Unites States of America).  

The two closest friends the USA has is Canada and Great Brittain.  Why? Because we are alike.  Our original roots came from the British Isles just like yours.

Isn't it unfortunate that the many have to endure the ire of the many who were offended by the few?  

Do you really believe those idiots in New York and Detroit represent the USA?  

Do you really believe we do not grieve the loss of your servicemen who died in Afghanistan?  

As a former combat soldier and the father of a son in Afghanistan (who returned Monday in one piece), we served along side the Canadian, Austrailian, and British soldiers.  We became friends.  Actually more than friends.  One cannot convey the bond that develops between men who are in harm's way together.

I know the pilot of the aircraft has a hard time believing that "things like that happen in combat."  People make mistakes in combat just like you do in life.  The difference is your mistakes probably won't cost a life.

We, who used to enjoy such freedom, have lost some of that freedom to September 11th.  Another example of the many being "punished" by the acts of a few.

As far as your belief, or anyone else's, that the USA thinks it is so BIG and so GOOD ... well, I'm sorry they feel that way.

I will ask some questions though.  Where would the world be now if there was no USA?  Would you like it a lot?  Would it be a better or worse place to live?  

Is the USA only good when we are needed?  Just like servicemen and women are not respected until we need them?  Just like the cop who is never there when you need them but is always there to write a citation for speeding?  

I have staunched the bleeding and feel better for the soapbox moment  

[This message has been edited by Interloper (05-02-2002 05:14 PM).]

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You know, I'm sorry those people booed your country during the national anthem, that was disrespectful. But, I'll have to say I'm agreeing with Interloper here. Ouch.

You kept trying to be careful to say things like "those particular Americans" and yet you followed those PC words with incredibly rude insults. Sometimes NY can be a very loud, busy, obnoxious place, I should know I was born there and I have family still living there. And, as was already mentioned, it probably was just a sign that they respected how good your team was, and they were a little irked by the fact that they had been beaten. I don't follow sports but I know that hockey can be a bit rude and crazy just in it's nature. And I didn't appreciate you basically stating that the world is fond of Canada and thinks that America is so rude and hateful. That was a huge generalization and wasn't very nice of you. I've visited Canada. I know first hand that not everyone loves the country. And if I based my thoughts on the country by my brief time spent there, then I wouldn't like the country much myself. However I realize it was one area of the country, and I wasn't there long enough to truly have a problem with it.

~Get over yourself!  Welcome to a new reality.  Canada as well as the rest of the world will not tolerate your global bullying and arrogance anymore.~

Ouch again. Last time I checked, our country was in inner turmoil cause we're always trying to HELP other countries too much and not helping our own. Bullying...hmmm... I really don't think that is accurate. I believe we even went to WAR in Vietnam to help out that situation although many Americans were against it. Our country constantly helps others, sometimes to the point of neglecting our own economy and inner conflicts.

When I think of countries that have been led by bullying and other means of intimidation, I think of anything but America. Maybe the Nazis in Germany. Perhaps England and other parts of Europe (with colonists and Native Americans) before America was discovered and began changing into what it has become.

I'm sorry a few people were ignorant and crass to your country. But you're America-bashing comments aren't right. It's offensive.

~I notice that certain Americans show their claws when they feel threatened.  Give it up!~
And how exactly are you behaving any differently right now? Rethink this, please.  


"I can't get you out of my head- your love is all I think about."

[This message has been edited by Jenn Cirrincione (05-02-2002 03:41 PM).]

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Jenn Cirrincione, I read through Melissa's tirade and found no such insults... And I believe you have fairly ethnocentric opinion of your country.... As I have of mine....  and since you raised the point on bullying, I will share my own opinion. First, Vietnam.... Your own government didn't have enough cajunas to call it a WAR until it was over.... "military action" was the proper phrase.... and what WERE you over there doing but protecting your OWN WAY OF LIFE that is so much better than anyone elses'.  Is that why internally your government went on such a witch hunt for Communists especially among those in publicly prominant positions... Here in Canada, we believe truly in freedom of voice in that we HAVE a Communist party.... And if we chose to vote for it we could do so.  I have never seen America go anywhere where it didn't have something to gain nationally by doing so.  They have such a vested interest as politics, business, (Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Israel) Too much of what America does is dictated by the Almighty Dollar.
"And I didn't appreciate you basically stating that the world is fond of Canada and thinks that America is so rude and hateful."
You expect Canada to sing your praises too?
Living In Our Neighbour's Shadow
again to quote Melissa "GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!" Sorry you had less than a pleasant time in Canada.... by the attitude you have conveyed here thus far... no wonder.
The new reality is Unity in global diversity not mimicry of the "American Dream".
Us Canadians also bare our claws when we feel threatenned.... Sorry you felt offended by our comments, (and you weren't Canada Bashing?) obviously you felt you had something worth defending. Ditto. ,,,^..^,,,

Sherry  
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  You go girl!  I am standing her in the back just a waving my flag for all it's worth.  Way to go Mel!  And when they clapped and whistled for the Americans during that game, I said, "Yes Sir we have class!".  It reminded me of the pairs skaters from Canada at the Olympics and how they handled themselves during a terrible situation.  Way to go, I love you mad!
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Well...Missy,
Look what you got goin' here! Ain't this just a party. Let me say that I certainly agree with many of the issues about America policy. However, the world is indeed in trouble without our money. Glad I'm not responsible as a politician, though I do try to make my vote matter.

And one more thing...about class, you guys got it goin' on. Finally...I told you sports fans were nuts! LOL Been fun watching this thread. Peace...

It's never too late to have a good childhood! Woohoo!

 
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