Severn, please forgive what was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek comment. I expected the accusations of jingoism but I did not expect that it would be taken personally or as a "slam" to the fine country of New Zealand.
If I have offended you, please accept my apology.
Now, Brad, your liberal, psuedo-intellectual comments certainly have their rightful place. Please allow that my conservative lack of intellect also has its place with the same rights afforded your views.
You ask, Brad, and the Rebel also, what "debts" are due the USA. It might help to read up on your history to determine just what I meant.
Now, Brad, you say "I believe America is a country, not unlike many other countries. It sometimes makes good decisions and sometimes bad decisions.
Now, if you read the above statement, doesn't it seem common sensical? The problem occurs when national pride enters the picture."
Your comment is too general to determine if it has any common sense. It is a perfect example of "double-speak" that says nothing and then asks others to draw conclusions therefrom.
Why is it a problem when anyone in any country displays national pride?
Local Rebel, if you are a student of WWII, you should know very well what "debts" are owed. Of course, they are monetary. How could any country, including the USA, ever repay the debt of freedom? Could we Repay the French for their help in obtaining freedom in any other way than monetarily? That was/is the measurement of "debt" and probably always will be. Thank God we had the chance to "repay" an unrepayable debt to France in both WWI and WWII.
Furthermore, you say "However, democracy; imposed from without -- is the severest form of tyranny." You wouldn't care to rephrase that, would you? I mean, do you really believe that democracy (Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives), what most of the known world desires, would be "the severest form of tyranny?" And, how could we, or anyone, impose democracy from without? Democracy either thrives or fails, as the people choose.
You question about Vietnam is improper and uneducated. Why would we owe a country a "rebate," even for failure, when we were asked to uphold our promise under SEATO?
Severn - Yes isn't it ironic; And isn't it just exactly what I intended when I wrote the words?
Too bad we get so involved with the thread that we forget the rights we all have to say what we wish, within certain boundaries. Even the stupid, uninformed, psuedo-intellectual, or downright ornery comments that may or may not be found within this thread.
Again, if my comments offend/offended anyone on a personal basis, I give my apology.
[This message has been edited by BrightStar (edited 08-14-2001).]