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Local Rebel
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25 posted 08-08-2001 09:27 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Well,

I've always heard everyone has a price.  For those who think they're worth 300 bucks I guess the price is right... lol
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26 posted 08-08-2001 09:29 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Yes Brad I know what you mean,

I heard he's going to England soon and is brushing up on his English for the visit...lol
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27 posted 08-08-2001 09:31 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

This is a poem made up entirely of actual quotes from George W. Bush.
The  quotes have been arranged by Washington Post writer Richard Thompson.

MAKE THE PIE HIGHER
by George W. Bush

I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It's a world of madmen and uncertainty
and potential mental losses.
Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the internet become more few?
How many hands have I shaked?
They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
I know that the human being and the fish can coexist.
Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings
take dream.
Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize Society!
Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher!

I'd hate to have every stupid thing I've ever said scrutinized like this -- but -- some make it easy.
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28 posted 08-08-2001 10:17 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

LR, believe me, I can't be bought, I can't be bribed, so no, I don't have a price (I would not vote for someone simply because of promised tax cuts...there are too many other important issues to consider when choosing a president, for me, anyway) and I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to unearth 'stupid' sayings from numerous politicians (does 'I invented the internet' ring a bell? yeah, yeah, I know, that's not what he meant to say, he was just misunderstood   ). I just think it is about time the working class taxpaying schmoes of this country got a break. It's long overdue and the country can afford it.

Brad, the only comparison I was drawing between the two was personal integrity. After Clinton, he is a breath of fresh air in that department. I am not well-versed enough on foreign policy to make any comparisons there. But as with anything else, I'm sure there are differing views on how he is handling that aspect of his position.

So, can I count on both of you sending me your $300?!   Anybody else not want their money?  

[This message has been edited by Denise (edited 08-08-2001).]

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29 posted 08-09-2001 01:10 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Unfortunately Denise;

The stupid things Al Gore says are just sad, at least Dubya gets points for comedy..lol..

And yes, I, and Senator John McCain of Arizona agree with you -- pork barrel spending in congress is at an all time high and there are many things that should be cut -- but they can't be -- because -- pork barrel spending is about Bread and Circuses -- Vote for me again -- look at the Military Base I kept from closing here -- Vote for me again -- look at the funding I got for your (insert program here).  

And, who is in charge of the appropriations committee these days?  Why gosh -- could it be Republicans?  Are these the same Republicans who in 1994 threw a revolution to end such non-sense in congress?  Well one thing is certain -- pork barell spending by Democrats has been put to an end -- sort of.

If America can afford to give back just a few hundred dollars -- why can't it afford to make teachers some of the highest paid professionals in the country instead of some of the lowest paid?

We want education reform.  95% of Americans according to the latest Gallup polls say it's extremely important -- 65% say it's very important and one of the things they expect Dubya to address swiftly....

But instead... it's the uneducated leading the unwise about the unknown that gets all the attention with stupidity over cloning and research leading to grossly uninformed decisions.

If you want a politician that keeps campaign promises you'll have to look to James K. Polk -- no president before or after kept as many.

And no, I'm sorry you can't have my 300 dollars -- I'm sending it to my mother -- who is on Social Security.
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30 posted 08-09-2001 06:41 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

That's sweet of you, LR. I'm sure she can use it. I'm contributing mine towards my grandaughter's first quarterly payment of tuition for second grade. I couldn't have helped them out without this tax rebate and she would have had to remain in public school again, so it's coming at a very good time. Now, if I could just get a refund to cover the next three quarters, or contributions from anyone who doesn't want theirs, I'd be in fine shape!  

[This message has been edited by Denise (edited 08-09-2001).]

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31 posted 08-12-2001 04:59 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

And what would have been so terrible Denise about public schools?  I don't mean to say it's not nice of you to help out your grandaughter -- but really -- there must be some reason you feel a private school is better than a public one.
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32 posted 08-12-2001 06:28 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

In the school that my granddaughter was in there was absolutely no supervision (she was hurt badly twice by rowdy kids just horsing around). The really sad thing was that none of the school yard aids even saw what happened either time, so offered no assistance. A couple of older girls, both times, had to take her to the nurse's office for first aid and to call her parents. The second time it happened my son-in-law went to the school to discuss the matter with the principal and teacher. The only thing that resulted was an apology from the little boy who had hurt her the second time (he was angry because she wouldn't go ask some other kids to play with him, so he threatened her, she ran and clung to the school yard fence, he pulled her off and threw her to the ground, banging her head on the concrete [she had to be monitored for signs of a concussion]...his version was that he was trying to keep her from falling after he pulled her off the fence.) Nothing was done about the lack of guidance and supervision in the school yard as a whole by the aids who are paid to be there to keep order and protect the kids from 'accidents'. Also, there has been no crossing guard at the intersection where she had to cross, for over a year. The one who's post it is went out for ankle surgery in April of 2000, and as of June of 2001, she is still out on disability. The city cannot replace a guard who is on disability if that person intends to come back at some point in time, not even a temporary replacement...something to do with the city union's rules.  Police officers are assigned as available when guards are out, if available. There was an officer at the intersection twice in that whole time. I called the district and was told it wasn't a prioity for them, if someone is available they will be there, if not, they won't. I called my city councilperson and was told nothing could be done due to the fact that the permanent full-time guard is on disability and cannot be replaced. Nothing could be done, period. Petitions were signed by the parents...nothing came of it. I called my local newspaper. I was told that they couldn't tell me what to do but did tell me that the only thing that would get attention would be an act of civil disobedience, blocking the intersection at rush hour, morning and afternoon, until the issue was addressed. This is no ordinary intersection either. It is a six lane street that serves as the main on and off access for Interstate 95 in my neighborhood. Adults have almost been run over by speeding cars while attempting to get across, let alone little kids. Before we decided whether we wanted to proceed with this plan, it was decided, if at all possible, that Nicole would attend private school next year (directly across the street from her old school, eliminating the need to cross the intersection and where the kids are monitored in class and in the school yard and where rough-housing is not tolerated, and by teachers who are paid considerably less than the ones in the public system. Scholastic achievment is much higher also than in the public system in our area, yet it is the teachers in the public system threatening to strike for higher wages...again). The median income in the Philadelphia system for a teacher with a BA is approximately $38,000. They want wages more in line with the teachers in  more affluent neighboring suburban school districts (such as Council Rock, one of the best districts in the nation) where some teachers are able to achieve salaries close to $85,000 per year and where the median is about $50,000. The median income in my area at the private school is approximately $24,000 for a teacher with a BA...now that's really sad, but for some reason, they seem to do a better job than their counterparts in the public system. I wonder why that is?  So now, for us, we don't have the problem anymore. I feel bad for the parents and kids who still have to deal with this and hope that they can do something that will get their voices heard. It's a real shame that nothing could be accomplished through all the so-called legal channels.

[This message has been edited by Denise (edited 08-12-2001).]

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33 posted 08-14-2001 01:49 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I don't want to trivialize the events you've gone into such detail to share -- and you may want to start your own rant on public education -- but, redirecting to the topic of the thread -- is there anything that seems remotely Orwellian to you about the scenario you've presented?
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34 posted 08-16-2001 07:21 PM       View Profile for Moon Dust   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Moon Dust

You know what gets me is this is all matter of opinion. Mostly the governments opinion and we dont get to say or choose, therefore we are not free.

You don't have a choice to die but you do have a choice how you meet it.

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35 posted 08-16-2001 07:49 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

There is never truly any 'freedom' in the sense of individuality... my rights will always end where the rights of another begin.

The opinion of the 'government' is the opinion of the majority of eligible voters who vote -- which is a minority.

Freedom comes with the price of responsibility.  If those who can vote don't then they are doomed to be ruled by those who do.
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