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hush
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0 posted 07-10-2001 12:11 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

something that utterly baffles me is this- whenever I venture into the announcements and links forum in hopes of finding something interesting, i am just bombarded with recognition posts for people who have broken the 8 million post mark... what's with that? Now, I know, I know, maybe people won't listen to this point since I'm not a prominent member with posts into the 4 or 5 digit range, but isn't it a waste of time shaking cyber-hands about how many cyber conversations you've had? Isn't it quality that matters over quantity? I can't ever recall anybody being congratulated on the basis of intelligent replies- just the sheer multitude of them- which, unwittingly enough fuels a sort of forum hierarchy in which a poet feels that to be recognized, he/she must post replies to every poem on here, and when people post simply to get their numbers up, it just reduces the quality of the replies or discussions. It's really ridiculous anyway- just the sheer concept of "Congratulations, you've ascended a rung higher in the number of cyber-friends you have and the number of bytes your username takes up!! Yeah!!"

Don't get me wrong- I respect the fact that this place is a community of sorts thru which people share their feelings, ideas, and writing- but I don't remember the last time my friend called me up and congratulated me on calling her for the 1000th time.... or the last time my boss shook my hand and told me that was the hundredth pan of mashed potatoes I've replaced.... I just thought I would point out the ludicrosity of the whole thing.

everything's fine.

JLR
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1 posted 07-10-2001 12:26 AM       View Profile for JLR   Email JLR   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JLR

Good points...parts of it I honestly agree with.  However, one persons ludicrous act is anothers reason for smiling that day.  All in all...it's kind of harmless, don't you think?  I mean, it builds people up, makes them feel good about themselves.  And so little of life can be counted on to do that.  And I promise if you stick around long enough to hit a 1000...I'll post a congrats to you.  
Severn
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2 posted 07-10-2001 12:48 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

~smiling~

Well, if you look to the left of my post you will see I have this horribly extensive amount of posts. (It comes from both being a moderator, and for being here nearly two years).

Now I can see your points here...if I cynically analyse this I might even agree. BUT I think, Hush, that you are missing the vital point. If it's viewed in terms of a competition then sure it really is ludricrous and an underminding of all the values passions proclaims to hold dear.

Have you closely read these posts? CLOSELY?

Here are a few quotes:

quote:
...and thank him for being such a constant presence in the forums


This is from Elizabeth's post that congratulates Sven on 10000 posts.

quote:
...Congrats, SEA, on many senryus, haikus, tankas, and all the other forms of greetings you give us each, and every day...


This to SEA from Sunshine...

My own, precious example:

quote:
...thank you for everything, both past, present, and most especially for what is yet to come.


From Jamie to me very recently.

Hmm...I don't see competition here, in any of these. I see instead people from a community congratulating other people in that community and thanking them for their participation. It must be remembered that the majority of these posts are replies. Without all of these posts passions wouldn't be the community it is.

Why not thank people who have been here a long time? Who have encouraged people through countless posts (representing many many hours). Why not encourage those people by recognising their efforts?

It's not a numbers game Hush. Rather, energy, effort and love of this place are represented through numbers.

Now, I am a cynical person. I know that for some an element of competition might exist. Yet, even if that is the case, it doesn't remove the true intent, and purpose of these congratulatory announcements, which I am very proud to take part in...

K




I am a refugee of logic...insisting
on unlikely land with every step.

[This message has been edited by Severn (edited 07-10-2001).]

Temptress
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3 posted 07-10-2001 01:38 AM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

Hmmm..
I agree with Severn! I know this whole shortened "I agree" thing must be annoying people lately, but what else can be said when someone else has already said it, eh?  
anonymousfemale
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4 posted 07-10-2001 03:04 AM       View Profile for anonymousfemale   Email anonymousfemale   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for anonymousfemale

Ditto to K. She said it all and perfectly at that.  

Never speak disrespectfully of Society. Only people who can't get into it do that.
~ Oscar Wilde ~

Brad
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5 posted 07-10-2001 06:54 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I agree with Hush.

Intent does not justify practice.

If it's not the numbers but through the numbers, let's find another way to recognize people.

I don't know, what about thanking them for the reasons Kamla stated and dropping the whole numbers thing altogether?

Brad
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6 posted 07-10-2001 08:56 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine


I would just as soon have the numbers dropped [it's been mentioned before]....

but no way in the world am I going to let a good poem/poet slide by without my thanking them for sharing....

even if others don't feel it "top of the mark"...I wouldn't leave a "thanks!" if it didn't touch me in some way....

Brad
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7 posted 07-10-2001 09:06 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Why should you stop?

Recognition is important.

Brad
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8 posted 07-10-2001 09:07 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

You can drop my numbers too...or put me back to zero..it's not the quantity of posts that I have, it's the fact that I read and reply. I've been here since the beginning and with only 100 members at that time getting to 1000 posts WAS quite a feat. But with SO many members now, it's easy to sit back in the evening and read and reply to 100 poems. I will tell you that I read a lot more than I reply to also...not just because I'm a Moderator!

But if this is a numbers game to someone, it's something THEY have to live with...I don't spend time worrying about someone's motives...
Acies
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9 posted 07-10-2001 09:43 AM       View Profile for Acies   Email Acies   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Acies

I just thought that the congratulatory threads about a member's amount of posts was to thank his/her dedication to being constantly an active member of Passions.

So, obviously, I agree with Severn.  I never looked at this as any type of competition to have the most posts.  And I never though that respect and admiration in Passions is only given to the people who have the most posts.  Otheres just have to realize that the more active you are, the more people will know you.  

hi Sweets, Lizzy, Kris, Ina, Erin, Erica, Minna, Kit, Kamie, Javi, Jenn, Sharon, Nan, Cawlee, Cherish, Ashley, Sara, Justine, Leah, Jess, Kimmie, Mare

Brad
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10 posted 07-10-2001 10:28 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Sharon says she reads and replies, sometimes, to a hundred poems in one sitting.

I feel lucky if I can get through ten in a sitting.

Who's right?

I hope people will say neither or both.

The question isn't activity as such but whether posting numbers are a productive way to recognize those who do contribute.

If numbers are the 'rule of thumb' then I am by definition excluded from this process (I'm not complaining, it doesn't keep me up at night  ).

Acire
"And I never though that respect and admiration in Passions is only given to the people who have the most posts.  Otheres just have to realize that the more active you are, the more people will know you."

No one denies that activity should be recognized but the implication is that the number of posts is more important than the 'quality' of post. Put another way, you're saying that the quantity of posts is more important than the quantity in the post.

Why?  

Recognize activity as such and forget the numbers.

Brad
hush
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11 posted 07-10-2001 01:48 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Whoa... reading and replying to 100 poems in one night?? It's taken me over a month to approach a hundred posts.... How much time can one actually spend thinking about the material read if just dashing off to read the next piece? It's unrealistic to expect to be able to read everything posted at a site this big- but to me, it seems like that's exactly what some people try to do- I don't want anybody to get me wrong- I am not criticizing people who post a lot- I am criticizing the fact that they need a special post to congratulate them on that- I agree with brad- why do you have to wait until so-and-so breaks a certain number of posts before recognizing their contributions to the community? It does create a competition, even if the poster in question isn't consciously participating in it. Why can't you just thank people based on the content of their posts?  

Also, while I see where the specifics Severn posted can be a beneficial thing, most of the posts there are a simple 'congratulations' 'way to go' or even occasionally congratulating on passing the 'X-thousand milestone'. What milestone? I personally feel it's silly to put that much importance on a little file on the internet, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms, because I realize that some people have close relationships online and are much more attached to this forum that I am... and I can respect that. And to JLR, yes, in essence is IS harmless, because it's just a forum on the internet where people congratulate each other about being active on the internet.... but that's my whole point. It's dumb! It does make people feel good... but about what? Posting a lot? It just seems like a pretty futile way to boost confidence anyway- why wouldn't you make a post that says 'Hey thanks, so-and-so, I really enjoyed that thoughtful conversation we had the other day, and I just want to let everyone know what a cool person you are' or 'congratulations, so-and-so, for writing that awesome poem- I really admire it- here's the link, should anyone else want to check it out, it's really cool' or even 'so-and-so, i really appreciate the fact that you spend the time reading my poems and giving me feedback- your comments are appreciated.' But it's not that- it's 'congratulations BECAUSE of how many posts you have.' Those few points that severn copied are the exception- and if people want to say 'Oh! Here's 4,000 kisses for those 4,000 posts!' it's not gonna bother me at night either.... but doesn't anyone ever wonder why they spend time with something so silly?

everything's fine.

Nan
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12 posted 07-10-2001 02:54 PM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Well - I just sent Seymour a cyber kiss for every one of his posts... Silly? yep!!... Intended to be silly? yep again!!!... We've gotta have some fun here... otherwise why bother to be here... Competition? Nope... nada... NOT!!!

We're just a simple community of poets who come here to share our poetry - and laugh, smile, cry, congratulate, adulate, congregate, write, read, learn, etc., etc., etc....
Ron
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13 posted 07-10-2001 04:59 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
why wouldn't you make a post that says 'Hey thanks, so-and-so, I really enjoyed that thoughtful conversation we had the other day, and I just want to let everyone know what a cool person you are'


You can. You should. And if you haven't, maybe your proposal has an unforeseen glitch that should be more closely examined.

It's important to show appreciation when you care about someone. Those spontaneous affirmations of "I love you" or those small gifts for "no special reason" can often be the most important moments in a person's life. Sadly, those moments often slip by, unrealized, for a host of different reasons. That's why we still have birthdays and anniversaries and holidays - those little reminders human beings often need to prod us to show our appreciation.

Getting rid of wedding anniversaries probably won't make for happier marriages, because it doesn't necessarily promote more of those spontaneous and special moments of appreciation. That's a different issue altogether. And until humans reach a little higher level of perfection, those "silly" anniversaries just might add a moment or two of pleasure to someone's life.

Of course, the analogy between special dates (which are also frequently celebrated in the forums) and number of posts is less than perfect. You can't rush Valentine's Day and it's hard to have more birthdays than your neighbor. There's always the very real danger of it turning into a competition. Fortunately, I think there are two things that prevent that from being a real problem.

First, every one of us knows when it happens. There's one person I know of who promised himself to have X posts and he's diligently working away at that goal. And his responses reflect his rush. That's a shame, too, because he's a sincere individual who could share much more were he not so misguided.

Second, a competition can only exist when people agree to compete. If I'm not trying to get more posts than you and you're not trying to get more posts than me, then we obviously have no competition. Perhaps less obviously, even if you are trying to surpass my numbers, if I don't care - we still have no competition. The only ones who should ever worry about Passions turning into a competition are those who insist on competing.

Most of us, I think, recognize the numbers for what they are and put no more meaning into them than that.
Dopey Dope
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14 posted 07-10-2001 05:05 PM       View Profile for Dopey Dope   Email Dopey Dope   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dopey Dope

Well here's my thing: I use the net and when I use it I am only in ONE place and it's Passions. I have nothing else to do with my time cuz I dislike reading and watching television or playing video games, plus on top of that I hardly ever go out.

I like to read poetry and so I read a LOT...sometimes 150 in one night (as rare as that is it's happened).
Plus let me just point out that TEEN CHAT and these discussion forums have probably accounted for, at least, 3k of my post count. Not all these replies are for poems.
Anyhow, being congratulated for my post count is not and was not ever up to me....I've never really cared. I just like to participate a LOT and have some sort of recognition as a nice guy. I love knowing people here.....that and my love of poetry is mostly why I reply so much  
hush
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15 posted 07-10-2001 06:35 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

'You can. You should. And if you haven't, maybe your proposal has an unforeseen glitch that should be more closely examined.'

I'm not sure whether that statement was directed specifically at me, or at 'you' as a general group, so I'll address it both ways.

I am not concerned about how congratulatory posts relate to me, because I don't use the forum as a friend-making tool. I come here to have interesting and intelligent discussions/debates with people. I know someone's going to ask me why, then, am I attacking the post congratulating practice- and it's for the above reason. I have nothing to do right now, and it seems like it would be interesting to get other people's viewpoints on the subject.

Now, on a more general basis, I see where you are coming from, Ron- except that I don't really see those kinds of posts that you seem to be so in favor of. Maybe the unforseen glitch in my proposal has something to do with the fact that the focus is on the number of posts, rather than the content therein. Granted, I have not been posting here nearly as long as most of you, but I have not seen any posts that say 'congratulaions for doing something special'... that is, unless you consider hitting the submit reply button 100 times a day something really special... once again, I am not attacking people with large post numbers, but simply the fact that these people may have honestly contributed something very special, and all they are getting recognition for is the quantity of contribution rather than quality.

Ron, I am in total agreeance that numbers are numbers and should stay as such- which is precisely why I think it's so stupid to have virtual ticker-tape parades about them.

everything's fine.

Brad
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16 posted 07-10-2001 08:02 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I still haven't heard one statement arguing for this thing.

If the numbers are a tool, are they a good tool?

I hear:

I don't care about the numbers.

There's nothing wrong with being silly.

I do it too.

Most know the numbers don't mean anything.

All of these arguments are fine and legitimate but they avoid the question.

Why numbers?

Why promote something that means so little to everybody?

Why promote something that some people take more seriously than they should (Ron's example)?

Now, honestly, I'm not sure there is a proposal here. To my knowledge, this isn't official Passions policy, it's something that arose spontaneously (No, it doesn't make it any better because it was 'natural'.). I certainly don't want to be the one running around telling people they can't do this, but I don't think we should be promoting it either. The best we can do, I think, is simply try to explain to people that the numbers don't or shouldn't matter.

Unless they do.

I have an idea (when do I not?) as to the reason for emphasizing numbers but I'm not going to tell anyone.    

Think about it.

Brad

Jesse Jaymz
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17 posted 07-10-2001 08:05 PM       View Profile for Jesse Jaymz   Email Jesse Jaymz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jesse Jaymz's Home Page   View IP for Jesse Jaymz

i made it to 500 and no one congraduated me     *pouts*  all i got was this t-shirt,  wait, i always had that shirt  *mumbles something about salmons and hippy noodles ruining his life*

When I was a young man I vowed never to marry until I found the ideal woman. Well, I found her - but, alas, she was waiting for the perfect man. :(

Titia Geertman
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18 posted 07-10-2001 08:42 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman

I am not concerned about how congratulatory posts relate to me, because I don't use the forum as a friend-making tool. I come here to have interesting and intelligent discussions/debates with people. I know someone's going to ask me why, then, am I attacking the post congratulating practice- and it's for the above reason. I have nothing to do right now, and it seems like it would be interesting to get other people's viewpoints on the subject

Well Hush, I think the above is just the point what it's all about. For we, 'the numberpeople', do use the forums as a friendmaking tool. That's the main issue I think of us being here, sharing thoughts, feelings, poetry and sadness. Helping each other when we notice one is down or sharing in joy when one is happy.

Did you ever read the poems on 'Open', did you ever replied to one that really touched you? Did you ever took the time to read the replies that were given by so many? If you did you would have known that there's no competition in Passions.

And if we want to congratulate someone for his/hers whatevernumber posts of caring, writing, replying, laughing, crying, we don't do that in 'Open' because 'Open' is just for poetry, so we do that on one of the other forums.

We got to know each other so well, that we don't need intelligent conversation to express our gratitude to our friends, just a simple   or   will do.
The addressed person will know exactly what was ment.

I think even intelligent conversations need a  , a   and a   sometimes,
cause without caring for the oponent, what's the point in having a conversation other than just love to hear oneself talk.

We have a saying in the Netherlands:
To whom the shoe fits, puts him on
wich means that the one that's bothered by something others do, that one should take a look deepdown and ask themselves: Why?

So, you do your thing and we do ours, with respect for both sides, cause I don't want to be referred to as 'dumm' for giving love and care in the way I think right to the friends I found here.
Cause in the time I've spend writing this all down, I could have read some lovely poetry instead.

Titia

A rose is a rose is a rose...I guess...
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[This message has been edited by Titia Geertman (edited 07-10-2001).]

Ron
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19 posted 07-10-2001 08:51 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
I am in total agreeance that numbers are numbers and should stay as such- which is precisely why I think it's so stupid to have virtual ticker-tape parades about them.

Were you talking about posts, birthdays, or Golden wedding anniversaries? None of them reflect quality. Each, however, can be important to the people being recognized.
quote:
I have an idea (when do I not?) as to the reason for emphasizing numbers but I'm not going to tell anyone.

The numbers should represent participation. They're not a perfect representation, of course, and probably not even a good one. But they're easy. Kinda like celebrating someone's birthday instead of putting together a whole "This is Your Life" show (I just lost all our younger readers!). The latter, showcasing actual contributions, would be far preferable in my opinion - but would also take considerably more time and effort.

As a side note, I've seen forums where Members can "rate" the participation of others and everyone has from zero to five stars below their name, based on their rating. If I ask a question and you give me a particularly helpful answer, I can up your rating. If you give me a wrong answer, I can bring your rating down. Cool idea. Except, from what I've seen, it plain doesn't work, and for a whole lot of different reasons.

Celebrations of specific accomplishments should be found (and are) within the thread where the accomplishment took place. Less specific celebrations, like the anniversary of joining the forums or the number of posts - or someone's birthday, which is usually treated with equal festivity - are little more than concrete reminders to say Thank You.

Is it the best way? Probably not. Does that make it silly? Absolutely notů
Nan
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20 posted 07-10-2001 09:56 PM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

... and there are multitudes of threads throughout the forums that are devoted to our members' accomplishments - both within Passions and in their own personal lives... We've got a LOT of very special people here...
Kit McCallum
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21 posted 07-10-2001 10:06 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

Hi, my name is Kit, and I'm a Congratulaholic  

Guilty of congratulating here .... and proud of it, LOL.  

I've written quite a few specific poems in tribute to various Passion's members for their accomplishments and the wonderful people they are, I've written several thank you poems to all members, I e-mail and thank various members regularly for all sorts of special things ... and ya know what?  I love to say "Congratulations" in the Announcement threads.  Probably not much of a surprise to those who know me.

Why? I don't know ... I just do, not a lot more exciting or indepth than that ... I just like to.  It's certainly not dumb, it can often be fun and silly, but for the most part ... it always just "feels" good.  
Brad
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22 posted 07-10-2001 10:11 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Ron,

It is easy. It also looks objective -- it doesn't look like an opinion. It hides the opinion behind that objectivity.

And therefore hides its exclusive nature.

It also hides its exclusive nature because it is so trivial.

But there has to be a reason so many are defending this.

By the way, it is competitive in the same way that 'keeping up with the Joneses' is competitive.

The Jones family may not be competing (or they may say they aren't competing), but I don't think the importance of status should be underestimated. I don't know. To me, it's like arguing that the problems of 'popularity' in high school are solely the problems of those who recognize 'popularity' as an issue. Those who bring that up, of course, are usually the ones who are unpopular and those who are popular will deny that it is important.

I guess I'm in the minority on that one.
  

Titia,

Believe it or not, we're all on the same side. Those who are interested in intellectual discussion and/or debate are still part of this group, we're in the minority but we're still here. Hush can voice her opinion as do you. I don't think she means to offend anyone, I certainly don't; but we are, by definition, excluded from this type of recognition but included in the "Passions family".

Should we care about this exclusion?

I don't know except that it marginalizes those who are interested in a different form of communication still further, it promotes the overwhelming majority at the expense of the minority.

It marginalizes those who want to interact with each other, who want to talk, in order to promote those who already 'know' what the other person is knowing, doing, saying. It marginalizes those who attempt a complex argument rather than a simple sound bite or a smiley face. Is this a good thing?

But ultimately the advice that somebody out there must be thinking is, "Well, if you want to be recognized, just comment more."

And that's exactly the point. There's the pressure to conform, there's the competition.

Why would someone want to be recognized? Why is it important?

Reread everything in this post. That's why.

Why wouldn't we?

Brad

PS The point of language and conversation is to understand difference (absence), to grasp or try to grasp what you, I, we don't know. You don't need a language to care about someone. The smiley faces prove that.

Brad
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23 posted 07-10-2001 10:21 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Nan and Kit,

Who is arguing against congratulating/recognizing people in general?

Are the number of posts an important enough accomplishment to focus on those numbers?

If so, why?

If not, why do people do it?

The only argument for numbers so far has been Ron's "they should represent participation."

Brad

Nan
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24 posted 07-10-2001 10:53 PM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

I don't personally care about the numbers - They're there, so I notice them... and I'm pleased to see so much interaction by our members, so I tell them I've noticed.

Do I care if anyone notices mine? Not particularly... It's a non-issue... LOL... but... I am about to don a new 'title' soon...  
 
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