Lansing, MI USA
Am I in the minority because my eyes flick to the left? I like to know whose reply I am reading- it just so happens that even if I don't look to check post number, the size of that number is slightly visible- in a sense, the numbers are unavoidable when displayed in such an obvious place- what happened to just having posts in the member profile? What was wrong with that? I think the sheer accessibility of the post number says volumes for the importance placed on them... but nobody addressed that point when I made it earlier? It seems like it's easier for people to keep saying the same thing ("NUMBERS DON'T MATTER!!") when faced with something that might actually challenge their point of view. Points of view become dangerous when people are afraid to change them, but that is another topic that deserves its own post.
Perhaps you are, for myself, my eyes don’t flick to the left every time I bring up a new post. But, I might be wrong about anyone else, so, I leave that to them.
The numbers are in an obvious place?? Well, perhaps, but who has time to notice the tiny font that they’re in. If they were really that important, they would be bigger, not just accessible, don’t you think?? Just because I can see them, doesn’t mean that I feel that they’re important. Or rather, just because I can see them, doesn’t mean that I feel that they’re as important as YOU think that I feel that they are.
The numbers don’t matter. Ok, well, how about this? The numbers don’t matter to me. Is that a better way to say it?? It would appear, quite obviously, that the numbers matter to you my friend. May I ask why? Why does the fact that you can see how many posts that I have bother you so much? Do you think that it bothered any of our newer members? Do you think that it bothers our very new members?? Well, let’s ask them.
Hello New Members!!! If seeing the huge numbers of posts that some of us (myself included) have intimidated you in any way shape or form, please make yourselves known in this thread!! Please be honest, we’d like to know just how you feel or felt when you first came here.
Okay, I’m sure that we’ll have some answers very soon.
The fact that you ask “what happened to just having posts in the member profile?” might lead one to believe that perhaps you’ve been here before, perhaps when this, if ever, was done. To take Severn’s plea, “They were here when I got here!” And if you have been here before, I’m wondering what it was that made you leave?? Was it this very issue? Or was it something entirely different??
(Sven, thanks for your example, you are an exception)
Thank you, you’ve made my day with this one!
And that is exactly where my point is coming from. Yes, in a sense it can create a fun environment, but in another, doesn't it create an exclusive clique that some people (who may not have grown beyond high school popularity contests- hell, who might even still be in high school) might feel left out of?
Only if those that are part of that “clique” take it as such. I’m sure that those of us in the “5 digit” group could be seen as an exclusive group. But, I’ll be the first to tell you that we’re not like that. Every one of us interacts very much with as many poets (both new and old) as we can. We try to make everyone feel welcome. And, not just us, but every member, every poet, in their own way, also contributes to this sense of belonging and welcoming. Because all of us remember that we were new here once too. We were afraid to share our words with the world, we were afraid at what people would think of our words. We know that, and we understand that. Now, I’m not saying that we know exactly what goes through each new members’ mind when they come here, but we do know some of the feelings.
If I were not of such an audacious nature, I would probably feel intimidated by the big post numbers and the big happy groups formed by those people.
You said it yourself, “big happy groups”. Sure, we’ve formed some groups of people that get along with each other. Friendships have been made and cultivated. But, I wouldn’t call them “cliques”. Because a “clique” is exclusive and these groups aren’t.
There are probably plenty of people here who, if they questioned this practice the way I did, might get hurt feelings over Member Laureate Marge's nitpicks (witty attempts to embarrass me? I'm not really sure where it came- but in my opinion, it seems like maybe without a good solid argument, she reverted to snide comments?) or Administrator/Member Laureate Poet DeVine's congratulations to me (in a post I put in Q&A about HTML) which didn't seem in the least bit sincere to me (in fact, maybe there was a hint of sarcasm?
Funny, I’ve never seen them in that light. They’ve always just been Marge and Poet deVine to me.
Now I KNOW I'll get crucified for suggesting that one- we all know Admins/mods are inclusive of EVERYONE, right?)
Come on, you know the answer to that one. Don’t even try to start something on that level, stick to the topic.
in light of the uproar over this topic in the last couple of days. How many new members either A) left because they didn't feel included or B) went into hyper-post mode so they could feel included? Obviously, we won't know, because you can't talk to people who are gone, and nobody's going to admit to posting more to get higher numbers (but I'm willing to bet more people do it than anyone in here defending the numbers would like to imagine.)
There’s really no way to know this for too many reasons. One of which is that most of the new members don’t stray from Open for at least a couple of weeks. And yes, sometimes, some of them might feel a little out of place in these discussion Forums, but they, like you, have just as much right to say what they feel and to give their opinions. And I’m glad to see that some of them have jumped right in to this discussion.
I don’t post more to get higher numbers. You’ll see that it’s taken me a long time to get to 10,000. For myself, I only post one poem a day. Sometimes, I do post more than one, sometimes, I don’t post at all. That’s me. Others do post more than once, that’s up to them. Suggesting that they do this just to get higher numbers however, is pretty unfounded.
I'm just saying that if you are participating in an argument, it is presumed that you want to win that argument.
I don’t want to “win” this argument per se. However, I’d like to try to get you to see and understand that most of us aren’t the “hyper-posters” that you make us out to be. Nor are we the “elitist” types that you make us out to be either.
We’re just people. Just poets. And we’re here to share our poetry with our fellow human beings in an atmosphere where we try to cultivate a sense of welcome, a sense of warmth, and a sense of friendship. It’s been that way from the beginning, and we’ll always try as hard as we can to make sure that it stays that way.
To the world, you may only be one person. But to one person, you may be the world.