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Michael
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0 posted 04-26-2001 02:43 AM       View Profile for Michael   Email Michael   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Michael

I just received a response to one of my poems featured on the main Passions site, "Void."  It read as follows:

"Dude you didn't write this poem."

Naturally, the fact that I wrote the poem is not in question (I was there) ... but for some reason I find myself thoroughly annoyed.

What I want to know is if anyone ELSE heard from this 'person' regarding their own work, or if I was singled out for some bizarre reason ...


Michael
Elizabeth Cor
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1 posted 04-26-2001 04:54 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth Cor   Email Elizabeth Cor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Elizabeth Cor

Er, WHAT exactly instigated this person to give you that kind of response? While I understood your plight -- I would be fairly annoyed myself -- I must admit that I find their disbelief amusing. I mean, what conviction! "Dude, you didn't write this poem." Mmm hmm. Their irrefutable proof and line of logic astound me! Perhaps this person was so in awe by you that they just couldn't imagine talent of such proportions residing in a meager *snort* poetry forum? Don't worry Mr. Anderson, we know better.  

Still enoying your job, btw? The commute must be heaven by comparison…  

I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather...
...not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car.

Poet deVine
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2 posted 04-26-2001 05:38 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

A few weeks ago, Ron received an email from a 'lady' who said some of her poems were being plagarized!!! One of them was a poem Ron wrote!! Imagine that!

I would ignore it Michael....and get your work copyrighted!!!
Nan
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3 posted 04-26-2001 07:11 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Ain' life grand?... Mike if you need a reference, just send 'em my way...
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4 posted 04-26-2001 08:52 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

And now I suppose you didn't voice this complaint either, eh, dude?   (WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH MICHAEL?)
Sorry, Mike, just amusing myself again...I especially liked the "dude" part...ROFL...oh my...want me to beat 'em up for you? My hormones are kicking in...I think I could take him!  
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5 posted 04-26-2001 09:17 AM       View Profile for Irish Rose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Irish Rose

After being addressed as "dude" the rest would have been meaningless, as it obviously is!!!!!

Kathleen Blake

"When red-haired girls scamper like roses over the rain-green grass,
and the sun drips honey."
Laurie Lee

Jesse Jaymz
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6 posted 04-26-2001 02:49 PM       View Profile for Jesse Jaymz   Email Jesse Jaymz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jesse Jaymz's Home Page   View IP for Jesse Jaymz

i wrote a cute little poem for my friend once.  i posted it and copywrited it.  then a few months down the road i sent it to a friend and she said that she seen it as an e-mail forward.  so i sent her the page that i wrote it on and she was like wow i guess you did write it.  *sighs*  i hate when people do that.  i know how you feel my friend.

All I feel is hurt and sorrow, praying it'll all be gone by tomorrow but as tomorrow rolls around, another tear hits the ground.

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7 posted 04-26-2001 09:20 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

Hmm..
Not yet, but I haven't checked my yahoo account in a few days either. *grins* Aside from that..AREN'T THE POSITIVE ONES JUST WUNNERFUL? They put a smile on my face. ROTFL! I think some guy sent his address along with his e-mail once. Cracked me up!
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8 posted 04-30-2001 04:07 PM       View Profile for dragonpoe   Email dragonpoe   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for dragonpoe

I haven't received anything like this. But I have to agree with the idea that maybe this critic was just in awe, and couldn't come to believe you wrote it.  Yes, it's annoying, but you could also take it as a great compliment.  

With the word, I am mighty, with the pen I am free..
dragonpoe

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9 posted 05-28-2001 09:05 PM       View Profile for Honeybee   Email Honeybee   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Honeybee


I can understand why you would be so annoyed, it's insulting when a person who has no class or brains to appreciate a truly gifted poet like yourself.  Michael, you're a fine poet and should just disregard what that person has said, that person is obviously just jealous of your talent or is just someone who is fooling around and picked on you for no apparent reason.  The fatc that he/she wrote "dude" shows that he/she has no proof of anything

Take care!
Melissa~
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10 posted 05-28-2001 10:08 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

well, it could have been a compliment, y'know? it's all in how you read the text.... "dude (that's a friendly gesture, dude!)", "you didn't write this poem!" (translation? sounds too professional for the web!)

*sigh*....well just maybe??... that's my take on it... but if it wasn't meant that way, it shouldn't bother you .... obviously you know you wrote it...

why not look at the comment in a positive way, though? might as well... life is short... not worth worrying about, dude! *smooch*

hehe *wink*
Ron
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11 posted 05-29-2001 06:06 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Michael, this might be where that idea surfaced...

http://teenwriting.about.com/teens/teenwriting/library/blank/okstory3113.htm
Michael
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12 posted 05-29-2001 09:08 PM       View Profile for Michael   Email Michael   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Michael

Thanks Ron,


I knew there was something fishy about this one - call it instinct I guess.  Well, now that the culprit is identified, is there actually anything one can do about an underage copyright infringer and plagiarist, other than just contacting the sponsor of the page she posted it on and having it removed???
Michael
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13 posted 05-29-2001 09:13 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Send an email here:

teenwriting.guide@about.com
Kit McCallum
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14 posted 05-29-2001 09:24 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

Sigh ... it looks like it's in a few more places too Michael. I've been fighting with some of this myself over the last while. It's really aggravating ...
http://www.faeryamy.homestead.com/pagetwo.html
http://skyline.zerion.com/irc/written%5Cpoetry%5Ceidolonvoid.txt

given credit here: http://hometown.aol.com/screwmypussecat/writing.html
Michael
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15 posted 05-29-2001 09:35 PM       View Profile for Michael   Email Michael   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Michael

Already done, Sharon - but big sighs indeed - looks like I have a few more to type....  (Thank you Kit for finding those...)


GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Michael

[This message has been edited by Michael (edited 05-29-2001).]

Kit McCallum
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16 posted 05-30-2001 07:20 AM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

No problem Michael.  When I saw this thread I did another search on my own poems and have more to contact myself.  I had a little time this morning, and thought I'd do a few quick spot checks for you.

This one has taken your poem "Need", renamed it and changed the very odd word. He's calling it his own Michael …
http://hometown.aol.com/tunderawolf/dream.html

And another …
http://pub7.ezboard.com/fdaurbancamelotpoetryspokenword.showMessage?topicID=257.topic

If you want to do a pretty comprehensive review, what I've found works best, is to have your author's page from the main site up in one window http://netpoets.com/poems/authors/0004000.htm , and go into one of the poems you want to search.  Have the google search open at the "advanced" search section in a second window http://www.google.com/advanced_search . Choose a rather uncommon line from your poem, and copy and paste into the "exact phrase" portion of google, then search (I don't know if it makes a difference, but I always take the capital off the first word of the line I copied and leave off the punctuation at the end, as some people re-type it themselves and drop those).

I have a template letter in Word that I use and basically fill in the blanks, and e-mail it off to the offender as I go.  I've found people to be pretty good about removing it entirely or properly acknowledging in some cases after I've contacted them. If they've taken full credit as the writer as they did above, I use a pretty strong letter and tell them they have 48 hours to remove it.  

I know how frustrating this is … but hope this helps ...
Janet Marie
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17 posted 05-30-2001 09:16 AM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

They say imitation is a form of flattery, and in some ways I guess it is a compliment that some one was so taken with a poem that they wanted it to speak for them...
and I guess this is chance we take posting our work all over cyberspace...
BUT, I just went and looked at all these places where M's poems have been posted and it was very disturbing to see his words that have touched and effected me so many times, with someone elses name attached.
I have heard about this many times and remember this coming up before with Kit...
but this was the first time I saw the actual poems claimed. It makes me wonder if I even want my poems that are in wait, to be posted on the main site. But I guess if someone really wants to do this...they can find them in the forums as well.
Anyway...thanks Kit for the info on the search...
And M...if its any consolation...
I share your Grrrrrrr!!  
Good luck in your efforts to take back your work.
Thanks also to Ron for all you do to try and protect us against this.
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18 posted 05-30-2001 11:51 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

Check out Ms. Jackie's biography.
Kit McCallum
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19 posted 05-30-2001 08:15 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

It can be frustrating and even a little shocking initially JM. It's really a matter of doing a search now and again and sending out appropriate letters when needed.  Please don't let it deter you from posting your work at the main site or anywhere else.   In the long run, I've found the positive feedback from the main site far outweighs the negatives of these very aggravating and irritating few.  Be it the internet or hard copy ... if they want to copy it, they will ...  
Michael
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20 posted 06-03-2001 09:42 PM       View Profile for Michael   Email Michael   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Michael

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped in digging up these sites.  I never dreamed this problem could be so "out of hand".  I appreciate everything you've all done here, with any luck I'll soon have my poetry removed from these and all the other sites I've found containing it.




Michael
 
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