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Responding to ones own poetry.... Marina and Marina 2 ???

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Marina
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50 posted 02-08-2001 12:47 PM       View Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Marina

I too would like others to voice there opinion on this issue.  It is a very important issue, as Ron has pointed out and obiviously I am not the only one who would like to know just where people stand.

Passions in Poetry is a very interactive site.  If people did not want to know if they were read and what people thought of their poetry, this site would be no different then any other. THIS is what makes Passions unique and why poets desire to post here. It is because of this interaction with other poets that I post here, as appose to any other place.  In other words, I like to know if I am read, what do people think of my writing, how can I improve (C.A.), and just as importantly, I enjoy reading and responding to other poets.  To me, these are the very reasons to post in Passions.  The very reason that I enjoy the "bump" feature.

I would very much like to see Passions remain a desirable and preferred place for poets.  So please everyone tell us what YOU are thinking.

Thank you again,
Marina
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51 posted 02-08-2001 12:52 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

I agree deVine. . . we need to see more points of view on this. . . thanks to kaile for his response. . . he brought up some very good points. . .

Okay "Silent Voices of Passions". . . we'd like to hear what you think. . .  

Please step forward. . .

Thanks,

Sven

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52 posted 02-08-2001 01:08 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine


My personal opinion - bump or unbump Passions WILL always remain the ONLY poetry/prose forum on the internet that has HEART!

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53 posted 02-08-2001 02:11 PM       View Profile for Swamp了aeryie   Email Swamp了aeryie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Swamp了aeryie

i agree with acire,some kind of middle ground would be nice if that's possible and i have no idea what IS possible,but i think somthing that gave the poet an option on whether or not to bump their poem(without looking like a heal) would be handy dandy.
  As for the argument that thank you's and comments detract from the main focus which is poetry,well i think that's a bit unreasonable....When i think about the forums i think poetry,"i'm going to go read lots of poetry" i have never been know to say " i'm going to go read everyone's comments to poetry,but i really don't think i'll read much poetry". That doesn't really jive,i mean the forums are here for poetry,and if i'm not mistaken everyone seems to know that. The option to comment is just an under lying facet to the poetry,and i do think it's quite important.
Again thanks for the chance to share an opinion.

swamp


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54 posted 02-08-2001 04:45 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

I had put my two cents [and some change] in other forums....and have received e-mails about this very matter....as the very second post in this thread, one can see that I was not advocating aliases as a means to bump one's own poems.

I go back to the "Thanks!"  To that I will add "dusting off".  E.g.: A poet posts what is a really, really good poem, however, picks the busiest time of day.  The poem gets, 1, 2 or 3 replies, then gets buried. The poet in the meantime has taken a day or two off and is away from Passions! [I don't know how THAT could happen, but I have heard of some folks taking cruises and the like....gasp!]

The poet comes back to do a search to thank folks after a week or two...and the post is buried somewhere on page 26, 37 or 41, depending on how one has their page counter set.  WOW...s/he has received some really wonderful comments, and would like to reply in one gesture to those who commented.  In one gesture means not having to reply to each and every poet who responded by e-mail.  Uh-oh....no BTTT for that poet!  MAYBE the response will be seen in Today's topics [towards the bottom].  Well, better than nothing.

BUT...to me, my thank yous are very important.  I noticed a long time ago that it was rude of me to try to reply to each and every post as it was given [not to mention time-consuming].  So I learned to wait till 3, 4, 5 or more comments were made, or in some instances, a day or so....to see if the poem would revive on its own.  If it did not of its own accord get noticed, I took it that the poem was a dud [I can write duds, believe me!]

In the very beginning, yes, a dud even got bumped back up by me, just to see if it was really duddy, or just needed a dusting off....and either people were just truly taking pity on a pathetic poet....or simply because of the nature of Passions, it was missed the first go around.

Now, when I have time, I'm a duster.  I see a poem that is sitting on page 26 with a zero or a one!  I go in to check and wow...if I'm swept away, I'm wondering why this little critter isn't back on top.  So I bump!  I've been known to bump especially good pieces of poetry back up, even if they have had a good number of replies....perhaps it is because that particular poem needs to be seen by someone....or even a better reason, just because!

I know that once the new features hit at the beginning of February, I was asking Ron right off the bat "how come when I respond I'm not moving back up?"  Well, I've tried very, very hard to get use to it.  This is Ron's house, Ron's rules [for the good of all] and yes, I would like to see the bump go back in for nothing else but to acknowledge the responders....and in that regard, [if you have read this far] I would also ask ALL PiP members to let your poem accumulate a few responses before jumping back in....just so everyone can have their chance at the number one spot for more than a few moments....

we can leave the Alley and/or other member forums for the ping-pong games that we sometimes partake in.

Whew!  Thanks!
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55 posted 02-08-2001 04:46 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

Okay...Okay..   I've been quiet, but since you need those silent voices, I'll be saying my piece now.

I LIKE the unbump feature. A few have been running around here acting as if no one would possibly ever consider abusing the "BUMP" method that we had before. Reality check. There ARE people who abused and would still abuse it.  I like it simply because it makes the ones who once abused it not be able to abuse it anymore.  I think if everyone has to work a little harder to find their poetry and thank the ones who have replied, then everyone shall just have to work a little harder.  Ron has worked hard on this move and all the new features, and I'm sure he had his reasons for creating the "Unbump".  I trust Ron and his knowledge of what goes on around here, and in his ability to know what is best for these forums.  If he chooses to do away with the "unbump" then it will ultimately be his own decision, although I am sure he will consider as many people's opinions as he can.  


I'd like to add that we do have a fantastic Search ability now. I'm sure that can be useful in locating posts. That is how I locate my own if they fall to where I can't see them.  

On the issue of creating another user name just to bump up your own poetry, I don't think it is a good idea. Now....Only read what you're seeing...I said that creating another name simply for the use of bumping/thanking/etc is not a good idea.  A lot of people here have multiple user names, but I don't think many of them created them for raising their poetry to the top.  

Thats all for now..
*Jenn*

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56 posted 02-08-2001 06:29 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

As some of the 'old-timers' can tell you, way back when there were 2 forums, one for discussion of a poem, and the other for how the poem made you feel, with regards to the poetry posted on the main Passions site (been there lately?). Then, when the first model of these present forums was created by this absolutely wonderful feller in Michigan, again Feelings was for how a poem impacted you, though that quickly changed, for the better, I feel.

Perhaps I was one of those poets who would post during busy times or something, for regardless of the actual merit of the piece, more often than not, after a day or even a few hours sometimes, I would have to trawl the forum to find it, usually after page 10. Perhaps, too, I'm still too 'old-school', recalling other boards where 5 replies was very very good, and more than that phenomenal (anyone remember Open Scroll before the rot set in?). And in my more cynical moments, I would think it a conspiracy of chronic bumpers to relegate my work to the darkest dustiest corners as quickly as humanly possible. Now, I know this wasn't actually the case (I think) but it happened, more often than not.

With bumping, or course, doing such automatically displaces someone else's work. Replies from others are one thing, but replies from self? And no, I'm not saying that thank-you's are a bad thing, far from it. It's nice to thank someone, or to go back and see what they thought of your reply. But personally, I always had to think about it: Is my thanking others more important than the work my thanks will be displacing? Does basic courtesy justify nudging someone else from the lime-light? Of course there's the possibility that someone else will reply to that topic just bumped down, bringing it back up to the top, but such is not always the case. Then there are those who do not feel their poem received the attention they thought it deserved. Can any of you honestly say 'My poem is so much better than that one there, so it's quite alright to move it elsewhere?' When you reply to your own piece which didn't meet your personal quota, that is exactly what you're doing, by design or not. For these reasons, and a few others, I prefer the un-bump. And before anyone decides to take me to task, please know that the above statements and situations are not targetted towards any specific person.

Pax Poeticus

Alicat

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57 posted 02-08-2001 06:32 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

If one of the complaints is about the 'fast moving' poetry dropping from the first page, then if the way poems are lined up is slowed down, would that make you happy? Let's call it the unbump!

In fact, that's what happens. If you look at the Open Forum page, you will see who's poetry is being read. If you look at Today's Topics, you'll see what the OLD way looked like..in there, even replies to your own poetry bump it to the top.

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58 posted 02-08-2001 08:22 PM       View Profile for Parker   Email Parker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Parker's Home Page   View IP for Parker

BUMP for President vote for BUMP at your nearest voting booth.

Just to comment on abuse Temptress the sweet poet that you are  
Heres a reality check for you dear removing the bump feature is not going to stop abusers. Like you said people have aliass and some keep them completely secret right Dr. Freud.       the abusers will use this loop hole. That said Im sure they will be a very small subset, nothing really to worry about. But abusers will find ways.

Heres a trick for you your private library put your own username in it with a large number of posts and you wont have to go searching for your own poems anymore. Just click private  library and presto, no searching.    


Just to comment on Rons big reply. Its hard to argue against most of it, so Ill make this feeble
Attempt at something

quote:Ron
But while the system is, and will likely always remain, imperfect, I do think it's pretty fair. I also think it rather closely mimics real world publishing, where buying your own book probably isn't the best way to establish high  sales.
I think this comparason of the bump to buying your own book, is just a little off in my opinion..
I see the bump more liking to going to the book store to do book signings and to help get your
hard work read.


quote:Ron
Those who are seeking higher number, who are seeking popularity, have a very simple solution, one that is on an equal footing with every other Member - you need but write better, more popular poetry.
I think that not everybody that wants a response is doing it for popularity, (although a few may)
Some people think if there is no response in their poem, then its either not liked or was not read.
But, I would surmise that most do it just to be read, the reason we post here.

Well, thats all I got to say about Rons reply. Hes tough to argue with, even his spelling is
Flawless    

Alicat:
I just want to make a quick comment on your reply too.
We seem to keep coming back to this argument that replying and bumping your own poem
Displaces others But, isnt the reality that all type of bumping does this, or even posting a new
Poem. Whos to say that my new poem should even get posted, why should it be allowed to
Displace another. I could have written a really lousy piece (I have many times) This lousy piece is going to displace a really good poem.  So anyway I just think this argument on displacement is maybe a little weak. If we consider your argument, you may reply to a poet your familiar with..  but the poem,  (say my lousy poem)  isnt good at all. Why should your reply to my poem bump it up and  displace another better one. Why, should you have that ability?    
Anyway this is my angle on it. Just to be fair.    

Poet deVine,
I just tested the todays topics with a reply to my post in Q&A and it does not get bumped to the top of todays topics but instead goes to the bottom of the area its from in todays topics, but it does display their none the less which is great.  


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59 posted 02-08-2001 08:33 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Coming back in to state that after watching for a while -
I am still very much in favor of any original poet being able to 'bump' their own work.

*Sharon, you said -
quote:
If you look at the Open Forum page, you will see who's poetry is being read. If you look at Today's Topics, you'll see what the OLD way looked like..in there, even replies to your own poetry bump it to the top.

If I interpreted your statement correctly,
that simply is not the case at all.
(at least not on my computer)

Nothing at the moment 'bumps' a poem to the top, except a reply from someone other than the originating poet.

In Today's Topics, not only does a response from the originating poet not bump the poem -
the time visibly displayed in the Last Post column only reflects the time someone other than the originating poet posted a response.

Am I incorrect in my observations ?
Or am I incorrect in my interpretation of your post ?

*This is a very interesting subject of differing opinions.
Thanks for reading mine.
It will be even more interesting to see what the eventual outcome will be.
~*Marge*~
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60 posted 02-08-2001 10:53 PM       View Profile for Ryan   Email Ryan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ryan

I just read what Marge said about the Today's Topics page, and decided to check it out.  I found poems that were active, and whose last response was by the author, yet the time given on the Today's Topics page was for the last non-authors comment (Does that make sense?).  This makes me curious.  If the only response to a poem during "today" is by the author, is it still considered active?  It's also this way in the forums.  I've gone into CA at once, and seen the little star saying there are new posts, but there isn't a single new post listed in the forum.  I guess you could use the private library, but it seems that for some people, there could be so many threads they want to track of (and of course, more coming up everyday) that soon their library would become bloated and weighed down (also there's something about the library I just don't like...call it a hunch, but I get the feeling it's eeeeevil  *grins*).  And if anything, I think that the "bump" (this is starting to sound so cliche to me now...it's become a term like email) should be allowed in the discussion forums.  These forums often have a lot of bantering and discussions (obviously, hence the name discussion forums) that often include the author.  The author is not just thanking others for posts here, but making a worthwhile contribution to the discussion.  It's a completely different story here.


Ryan

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61 posted 02-08-2001 10:58 PM       View Profile for Swamp了aeryie   Email Swamp了aeryie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Swamp了aeryie

I'm going to make another one of my weird analogies.....so bear with me......There are people who abuse alchohol,but does that mean that everyone should not be allowed to drink? There are people who abuse the bump feature,but does that mean the feature should be banished? Kind of like the whole class "suffering" (yes that's a bit to strong isn't it?) for one trouble maker. And as those who have been through high school already should know......the trouble maker will ALWAYS find a way...no matter what!!
Okay ow that wasn't TOO strange was it??

sam


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62 posted 02-09-2001 12:27 AM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Awwww......my 2 cents got deleted   I'll be back when I have something intelligent to say...well, it could happen!

I feel so out of control without the bump Really, I do. I liked having that power   Really, I did. But I think I could get used to the unbump...change doesn't come easy for me but I can see a benefit to it...I can see both points of view, actually. It is messing up the time displays, though...there is a later time listed on the main forum list than what  actually is showing up once you enter a forum...for example......11:52 listed on the main forum page for The Corner Pub (just an example) but when you click into the Pub the last listed post is 10:30 (?)
No post or reply corresponding to 11:52, by anyone (?)


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63 posted 02-09-2001 03:07 AM       View Profile for Paula Finn   Email Paula Finn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Paula Finn

OK...we all know people abuse the system...if you pay real close attention you can see it being abused even without the bump...
I said this before...no one can force you to read a poem...and its very easy to push someone down to oblivion if you choose to...just because I reply to my own poem doesnt mean anyone else is ever gonna read it again...sure by replying I push someone else down...but so does posting a new poem...like Parker said...is that new poem BETTER than the one it displaced? No...is it more worthy of being number one? No again...but thast what happens...
I post very early in the morning...I reply to lots of poems...thereby putting some on top...and pushing others down...and I dont always have a lot of free time to spend. I just like being able to highlight poems by putting them back on top...not just my own...and why is it fair to be able to do that? I mean...I could choose one or two poets and by replying to their poetry keep them on top...forcing other poets down...
I have grown as a poet since I joined Passions...a big part of that process has been from reading and replying to what others thought of my poems...the more who read them...the more opinions I saw...the stronger and more confident I became in my ability to touch someone with my thoughts...
Ive had poems that just drifted away...thats fine...but there have been those that when I replied and moved it back to the top...touched so many more hearts...and I LOVE that...I LOVE that chance to ease an ache, to make someone laugh, to cry, to think...
I dont think I abuse the system...my own responses are NEVER half or more of the total responses to a post...LOL unless it only recieved one response...but you know what? Again what difference does it make? YOU choose who you read...not the position the poem is on the board...and YES thats an arguement either way...I just like the bump

BUMP FOR PRZ!!!!    LOL PARKER
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64 posted 02-09-2001 10:48 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

I like the unbump.

And that's all I have to say.

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65 posted 02-09-2001 12:25 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Um....what Parker said is what I had wanted to say but I get so wrapped up in what I'm saying I forget to sometimes sound

INTELLIGENT....

so from now on when there is a discussion, I'll just wait for Parker to post and then probably "ditto" it...

unless Christopher adds something really neat, I might ditto his too....

great discussion, folks!  Now, back to being a wallflower....
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66 posted 02-09-2001 12:38 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

My 98 thousands cents worth (in $NZ of course - essentially worthless then lol.)

I like the Bump on a personal level.

I'm one of those hang-out-to-the-last-second-then-thank-people persons...

all in a nice big long list where I pretty much bump my poem up once.

Now with the Unbump I honestly don't think people are really going to read my replies anymore. I hardly post any poetry at the moment. So, on a personal level I guess Bump is great because it puts a long forgotten poem lol at the top for a little while so all those people can see the replies I made - IF they happen to be around while the poem is on the first couple of pages.

Here is an example of how frustrating the Unbump is for me right now. My last poem garnered around 20 replies...then sank. I was busy yadda yadda didn't do the reply thing. The next day my h/d crashed...spit boo hiss...

Then I of course did the whole plane trip thing.

Now my leetle poem is sunk so far into the depths it almost no POINT going and replying. IN FACT I had completely forgotten about it until having a serious read of this discussion. Even if I had written the replies the day after I arrived the poem would still have been on page 10090 (if you get my meaning lol.)

So - if I reply now - who's going to know? Who will read the thankyou's I give? NO ONE I honestly believe.

And I just feel damn rude.

I might in this case go and personally email people - but it's been so long they have all likely forgotten anyway hehe.

Personally - I post so few and far inbetween now that I guess I will have to monitor it closely and change my thankyou habit so that I post a separate reply to nearly every person. Not my preference, but then people will likely see my thanks.

Blah blah blah.

However...I appreciate the issues raised on a general level. Overall, the Unbump WILL mean less replies per person. This WILL likely ensure more poems are read. I like that idea.

I have watched Open in the last few months and I haven't liked what I have seen. I might offend some people with this next comment but oh well it's my opinion. Frankly, I haven't liked what I have seen Open turn into. IMHO, It evolved into a great big giant MUSH house. So saccharine sweet I stopped feeling that my style of poetry AND replies were welcome, or fitted in. I don't write loving tributes to all or sundry or about how great everything is. That is not me. I don't write glowing replies that overflow with positivity. I try to be absolutely honest - and I am a critical person when it comes to poetry. So more often than not I felt like my 'this is good work, I like it' really almost sounded negative.

There is such a huge turnover there and I too noticed unknowns or 'different' types of poetry sinking away. So, on the rare times I venture into Open I focus on replying to - yes, my friends, unknowns and those who write 'differently.'

The Unbump is an excellent feature I believe for ensuring a fair rate of drop and exposure for all types of poetry. I hope that as a result of it personal conversations that go on in the threads can occur without those jumping up to the top constantly and knocking down the poems that slide away with few replies.

I love that passions is my home, and I could never deny how much the friendships mean to me - I mean look at me! In America MEETING people from this place. However, mush I do not enjoy and neither do I enjoy the thought of new poets getting a huge response on their first poem due to the blinking envelope who then watch their next poems dribble away. I do hope the Unbump will help to remedy that somewhat.

SO I guess over all - the Unbump just has to stay. And I'll just have to say thankyou individually to people ~sulk~

K



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67 posted 02-09-2001 01:30 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

quote:
So - if I reply now - who's going to know? Who will read the thankyou's I give? NO ONE I honestly believe.


I always go back to see if the author has responded to a reply that I gave.  No matter how long it's been or where the poem is. . . I don't know if I'm the only one, and again, I'm speaking for myself.  (and we all know how strange I am anyway. . .   )

Anyone else??  And tell us why you do it.  I do it just because I like to see what the author says back to me. . . even if it's just a "Thank you for reading".

And another general question, not directed at anyone or anyone's situation or anything like that, just a question to keep the discussion going. (I shouldn't have to say that, but sometimes, it's necessary)

Is it too much effort to use "Today's Topics" and to put things in "Private Library" and to just use the other features that are built into the system rather than having the poem bumped up?

I look forward to more discussion on this.

  

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Before Parker starts another commercial      I would like to respond to these comments...
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And another general question, not directed at anyone or anyone's situation or anything like that, just a question to keep the discussion going. (I shouldn't have to say that, but sometimes, it's necessary)


No you shouldn't have to say this, but let's face it.  There are those who are whinner then others and those who "suck-up" more then others, now aren't there.  ( I shouldn't have to say that, but sometimes it is necessary)


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Is it too much effort to use "Today's Topics" and to put things in "Private Library" and to just use the other features that are built into the system rather than having the poem bumped up?

Maybe it is and maybe it's not.  Those features are great features and no doubt a lot of members use them.  I personally don't.  Not because I don't find them useful or easier, but because I choose not too.  When I log on to Passions I go directly to Open.  I scroll down the page and look at everything with the little red box.  This tells me what is new since I last logged on.  If I want to look at any other forum, I will know if something  is new or some post has been responded to because it has the little shining star.  I only use the "Private Library" when I come across a poem which I have so enjoyed I wish to keep it.  I have very few poets in my Library collection.  Although I have certain poets which I make sure not to miss a single post, not all of what they post I may  want to keep.  For instance, If they have posted a question or in C.A., most likely I don't feel the need to keep it.  Personally, I find it so much easier to just look at what has been responded too by looking quickly at what has the red box to indicate this.  Fast and simple.  Then when I respond to my own post, back to the top and whamo!  New little red box for all to see.


As far as using the other features instead of the "bump", well that would stand to reason that they all don't have bearing on the "bump or unbump" feature.

Each of us here are individuals, and as such we "use" Passions features differently.  What I do when I log on will be beyond a doubt different then someone else.  So in saying that, is it fair for you to say:

Is it too much effort to use "Today's Topics" and to put things in "Private Library"....ect...

Marina


And now for that commercial break...       Hey, how about a Spam one??  

Parker
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69 posted 02-09-2001 05:30 PM       View Profile for Parker   Email Parker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Parker's Home Page   View IP for Parker

Well, it looks like Marina, beat me to the punch here, damn Im such a slow writer.. lol


quote:sven
I always go back to see if the author has responded to a reply that I gave. No matter how long it's been or where the poem is. . . I don't know if I'm the only one, and again, I'm speaking for myself. (and we all know how strange I am anyway
Considering you high post count, you must be a superman to keep track of all your replies  Mr. Sven., and no matter how long its been you will go back and check constantly waiting for them to thank you. Some poets never respond to the people, who comment on their good work. It must take allot of time keeping track of these, cause they might one day. Your right your strange.    lol


quote:sven
And another general question, not directed at anyone or anyone's situation or anything like that, just a question to keep the discussion going. (I shouldn't have to say that, but sometimes, it's necessary)
As you can see with this thread its moving along very well on its own, so we dont have to worry about the discussion dying a quick death. But, thanks for bio informing question on this. Its an Interesting insight into Sven methodologies.
I myself like to put a little related humor into a topic if I can, just to keep things a little light.


quote:sven
Is it too much effort to use "Today's Topics" and to put things in "Private Library" and to just use the other features that are built into the system rather than having the poem bumped up?


I still, noticed that Todays topics can grow to a considerable size, by  5:00 PM, and my LAN connection to the internet loads it up fairly slow. I know my phone line connection is even slower. Based on responses I got to my recital poem on load times via phone. Id bet this will be a little annoying to some in the evening. For these large page sizes or 200 plus poems in todays topics in the evening, I think cable or a fast LAN connection makes them a little better. Also loading up yesterdays topics, is even slower, because it has all the poems and allot of duplicates that you have to sort through to find difference. Just an observation here.  

I have a concern about the UN-bump and something Severn  brought up. One of my fears is that the sink down process may affect new or lesser known poets more severally. The more well known and popular poets will get replies and be searched out by the regulars and then replied to and thus this bump will push them down to a quicker lesser read death. Its unlikely that all or most poets are going to scan continually for new or lesser known poets.. and you cant do a search of somebody new if you dont know their username or are unfamiliar with their work. The only way to find them on other pages is to manually scan through each page. Unless they reply and then appear in todays topics at the bottom. So in trying to make the unbump fair, we may just be relegating them to oblivion and only pure luck and diligent scanning by Sven will ever find them to bring them back to life. Well, at least all is not lost, Sven to the rescue.  


I apologize if it seems like Im picking on you Sven, just adding a little humor to this thread and it was just done in fun. Dont want that armor you wear to get too shiny.


Parker
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70 posted 02-09-2001 07:21 PM       View Profile for ATelamon   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ATelamon

Interesting read...

[This message has been edited by ATelamon (edited 02-09-2001).]
Jesse Jaymz
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71 posted 02-09-2001 09:15 PM       View Profile for Jesse Jaymz   Email Jesse Jaymz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jesse Jaymz's Home Page   View IP for Jesse Jaymz

ok
i would say i am throwing my 2 cents in here but i did that one page one.  so would this make this my 4 cents?? anyway.  i see alot of this falling along the same lines.  the popular more established poets like the un bump and the less popular ones dont.  now thats not enterly true.  but it is seeming to fall that way.  there are people like paula finn, marge, and others that are very popular and like the bump.  alot of us either dont have the time to search and search.  or get on at odd times and our stuff gets burried.  like me i would love to post in open.  and i started to before the unbump.  but now i am very leary to cuz it moves way to fast.  perfect example.  i just replyed to a poem in open.  and then i went to post a poem there.  i posted it and the poem i replyed to was 8 posts down already.  it only took me 5 mins tops to post.  and alot of posts get burried.  plus i too tried useing that todays topics.  and it moved really slow on this line.  and it wasnt very conveinite. i know i cant spell.  but it brought up stuff and forums i didnt even know we had.  i didnt like it.  so before this turns into a rammble i will end this.  thanks for listening to me yall.     and long live the bump

jesse


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72 posted 02-09-2001 09:31 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Marge! I tested the Today's Topics thingie and I was wrong in my earlier post! Though last week, I was sure it showed up on top. I replied to the first poem I wrote in Open 12 and though it bumped it to the bottom of the list of Today's Topics it still had the time from the LAST reply other than mine..so...you were right. Glad I took the time to recheck it! Thanks, Marge.

Now, I'm going to sit back and keep my mouth shut! LOL
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73 posted 02-09-2001 09:54 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

LOL! Parker,
Thanks for being gentle! I think you've got a case of mistaken identity. See, this is not Mr. Bump this is Mr. Bounce,   and he is the leader of my empire of the little green bouncy thingys...Geesh...And I thought I cleared that up from the beginning! oh well..some people just never learn!  

Soo..Anyway..
You have a point. As I said there are people out there with other aliases that we don't know about who also abuse the system. Although I said I didn't think ALL of them abused it, I can assure you I'm not gullible enough to think that none of them abuse it. (did that make sense? LOL! I do have a migraine here)   Geesh..a girl can hope can't she?  

As for finding my poetry, I like reading now more than I do writing (or at least posting writing), and its healthy for me to have to search for my poems the hard way because sometimes back there on those pages, I find excellent poetry that I missed at one time or another. Thats not for everyone though. I understand that. Thats all again for now.

I'd like to add that so far no one has really been at each other's throats about this in an irritable fashion (not unless I've missed something), and I like that about this discussion!

Now I'm off to conference with my assasins to find someone to take care of that pesky little bump guy who wants all the votes.   Laters!  
dgvarner
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74 posted 02-10-2001 12:37 AM       View Profile for dgvarner   Email dgvarner   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for dgvarner

i'm with jessejaymes on the inconvenience issue...when i'm in open, i dont want to have to go to another forum to search for things...i want to be able to find them where i am..without having to go thru ALL the pages till i FINALLY find it because of that darned unbump feature having been set in....why forum hop..i just dont have the time with a 2 yr old running around..passions is part of my sanity..i dont want it to turn into my stress because i have to spend all my time searching for things...and as far as putting things in the private library--i think it was ryan who mentioned the whole bloat and explode thing..(i know, i probably didnt quote it quite right..sorry..but you get the point..) i dont need anything EXTRA in my library..thats where i put my "special interest" stuff..and certain poets that i like not to miss ANY of their stuff..

and i have another question while i'm here..(this will probably get deleted too...)  how come parker gets to cut up and make jokes in this thread and i get deleted when i make jokes...jeez!!  LOL  (enjoyed the commercial breaks by the way, parker..lol)
 
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