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JP
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0 posted 06-15-2000 10:33 AM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

Okay, here's the deal:

Most of y'all know me.  On the surface I am *****y, cantankerous, snide, sarcastic, (rarely rude), and an all around nice guy...  I love to jump into the fray, when a fray is about, and I never shy from speaking my mind....

Damn, I forgot what I was going to say.

Oh well, let me talk about this then:  Is not one of the best things about Passions being able to join in discussions in the forums?  Responding to other's comments and well as writing and responding to poetry?  If this is not the purpose of this place, then what is?

Another thing:  Is it possible to post a list of the names of folks who want honest comments and critiques of thier work, this way I will know to whom I can speak the truth to and who I should just say "Oh, I really loved this one!"

Yes, I am being an ass, sorry.




 Yesterday is ash, tomorrow is smoke; only today does the fire burn.
JP

"Everything is your own damn fault, if you are any good." E. Hemmingway

serenity blaze
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1 posted 06-15-2000 11:36 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

JP---as long as your criticism is constructive and not unkind, you can put me on your list...I'm delighted to receive ANY replies these days...but be careful...I bite back...LOL
Elizabeth
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2 posted 06-15-2000 11:57 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

I like the discussion forums...it's nice to have a philosophical discussion and a place to vent. As forthe critique part, I don't like receiving it, unless I ask for it. I have trouble critiquing others' work, anyway, so I couldn't help them out if they were seeking ways to improve their poem. Just my thoughts in a nutshell.

Elizabeth


 I'm grabbing my hat and coat
I'm leaving the cat a note
Quick call me a ferry boat-getting out of town!


doreen peri
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3 posted 06-15-2000 02:17 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

I think you might like it in Critical Anaylsis forum, JP.

(is this the first time someone suggested analysis for you? hehe..)

seriously... but i thought you used to post in there, didn't you? that's why god, er ron, made that forum for those of us who like a little more meat in the comments in regards to critique suggestions, etc.

i think Open Poetry has developed into a kind of "open mic" live reading where applause is the kind gesture acceptable, but i do believe people posting in Open enjoy getting feedback about how their poems effected readers, too.

very nice to see you back, btw
Sunshine
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4 posted 06-15-2000 03:13 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Hey, JP, welcome back! Now, on to your rude, er, crude, oops, I mean, sincere side...

I've always viewed a critique and a critic as two separate entities...other than the fact that one is a method and the other is a person, and the person always doesn't know what the method is.

Then of course there's constructive criticism where one willingly tries to HELP another...

so, before I go any farther...is it your intent to slam, or offer constructive criticism?  [Sorry, the others know you far better than I, and I would like to know which way you are going first...]  THANKS!

 Sunshine

~~~Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadow.
Helen Keller ~~~

jenni
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5 posted 06-15-2000 07:54 PM       View Profile for jenni   Email jenni   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jenni

jp--

i've always thought that the critical analysis forum was for "critical analysis," lol, a place for in-depth comments on why and how a poem works (or doesn't work) and for offering honest opinions and suggestions for improvements.  true, alot of people post comments on poems in C/A on the order of "i loved this" or "this was beautiful and heart-felt" without giving the poet any idea WHY the reader loved it or thought it was beautiful, but that's always going to happen.  not everyone feels they are able to critique a poem (although it has always puzzled me why anyone who loves writing can't engage in a little introspection and come up with some reason WHY they liked a poem, but that's another thing entirely, lol), but that shouldn't deter you from offering your own opinions and suggestions in a forum called "critical analysis."

it sounds, jp, like you had some bad experience in C/A, where perhaps someone got upset with your critique.  well, that happens, i guess.  like elizabeth says, not everyone WANTS their poem critiqued.  i think you have to assume, however, that, given the choice of forums at the site here, anyone who chooses to post a poem in "critical analysis" (rather than the open forum, the corner pub, or any of the other forums) does, in fact, want a critique, something that goes a little further than "nice work, i enjoyed this," and you should feel free to post a honest critique, positive or negative or whatever.  after all, that's the whole point of a forum called "critical analysis," lol.  they may not like what you have to say, lol, but as long as your critique is honest, courteous, respectful, you should have nothing to worry about.  being constructive, too, is, as sunshine says, always nice.  if someone gets upset with an honest, courteous, respectful and constructive critique, well... there ain't nothin' you can do about that.  

i absolutely love the critical analysis forum, and i hardly post in any of the other forums any more.  sure, i've had my ego bruised there plenty of times, but reading the detailed responses not only to my poems but to the poems of others, too, has really helped me as a writer.  granted, it's not for everyone, but i wish more people, especially the regulars of the "open" forum, would drop on by from time to time and get involved in C/A's never-ending discussion of this most difficult and challenging art form.

jenni
Isis
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6 posted 06-16-2000 01:11 AM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

Well Jenni I post in dark and open and poetry challenge.  I'm sorry if you find anything I do offensive.  I only want what is best for all of passions as do we all...

 I'll tell you this...... No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.....
~Isis~
(Goddess - Sovereign of the Spirit)


jenni
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7 posted 06-16-2000 02:08 AM       View Profile for jenni   Email jenni   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jenni

isis--

"offensive"?

huh?

i don't find anything you do or anyone else does out here offensive; i love the site and all the different forums, critical analysis especially, but the others, too.  

did i say anything to offend you???  i hope not, i surely didn't intend to.  

jenni
Isis
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8 posted 06-16-2000 07:54 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

Let's put it down to a bad connection then  

 I'll tell you this...... No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.....
~Isis~
(Goddess - Sovereign of the Spirit)


X Angel
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9 posted 06-17-2000 04:53 PM       View Profile for X Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for X Angel

I have learned to drop my fear of CA, I was so scared to go in there, I thought they were all a pack of wolves waiting to rip my poems apart. But in truth, CA is like a big happy, HONEST family. I am serious about being a better poet, I have so few skills in that department that going to a forum like CA which encourages honest and open discussions is really good for me.
When I am feeling needy and need some cheering, I post in some of the other forums..Thus when I need an ego trip I get one. Or when I need an honest critique I get it. It just depends on how I feel at the time I write/post a poem.
Good luck JP, come to CA sweets, I'll pertect ya!
~H

[This message has been edited by X Angel (edited 06-17-2000).]
JP
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10 posted 06-17-2000 08:25 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

Actually, before my absence I posted quite a bit in CA, and I spent most of my time there reading and responding to others.

I am particular about what I post there, I try to put only my best stuff in that forum because I fully expect it to be dissected and analyzed thoroughly - and out of respect for the forum I dare not post crap and waste the time of the other poets.

What gets me, and this I suppose is just my own dislike... is why people post in CA and then act offended if their work is critiqued?  The place is designed for that, and all I say is "If you want an 'atta boy', post elsewhere.

I try not to be rude when commenting, but I have a habit of being plainly honest.  At least I don't tell people what they write is crap and they will never be a worthy poet (ex-scrollers remember a few people like that I'm sure).

Okay, I've pummeled this rapidly decomposing equine enough...

Yesterday is ash, tomorrow is smoke; only today does the fire burn.
JP

"Everything is your own damn fault, if you are any good." E. Hemmingway

The Lonely Stranger
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Upstate, NY, USA


11 posted 11-27-2001 03:38 PM       View Profile for The Lonely Stranger   Email The Lonely Stranger   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for The Lonely Stranger

JP critique is good, but I think some people feel that critique must be harsh and abrupt. Even the toughest food critics give some resturaunts a 5 star rating. An example that I run into is my favored style is lyrical poetry. Some "critics" pummel a decomposing equine, by lambasting my style. This is fruitless and not constructive. Also, the best criticism comes in a form that makes the author not afraid to come back and say "how is it now?"

No one ever listened themselves into trouble.

RosePetal
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12 posted 11-27-2001 05:43 PM       View Profile for RosePetal   Email RosePetal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RosePetal

Hmm Ive never been in CA, I write what I am feling at the moment so there is no need for my feelings to be critiqued, thats why i just stick to Open. If you like it, hey thats great, if you dont like my poems, thats fine too. : )
 
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