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My Final Word on Multiple Posting And Poetry With Very Few Responses!!

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Ron
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25 posted 01-17-2000 06:59 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I ask that you clarify your use of the word competition. People are in competition only if they wish to be. If someone wants their poems to remain at the top of the first page and garner lots of responses, then yea, they're going to be in competition with everyone else who has similar desires. If someone is here to truly share and help others, it won't matter how many responses they get - and there's no competition. Realistically, I suspect most of us fall somewhere between those two extremes. We sincerely hope our work will receive the attention we think it deserves, but also recognize that with several hundred new poems a day not all of them can be on page one.

I also am hurt by your sarcasm about freezing postings. I never said that ANYONE should stop posting. No, you certainly didn't. Nor was the sarcasm directed at you, Jennifer. In truth, I never really expected to ever reply to this topic (having made my thoughts clear numerous times in the past six months), but was absolutely appalled to read Elizabeth's response. That a fine poet and courteous individual like she would even consider limiting her posts and resorting to email was alarming. The sarcasm was meant to indicate I would consider such a solution far worse than the problem.

Apologies that I cannot or do not produce mass amounts of poetry daily. I think Michael answered this satisfactorily, but let me add just a bit. If you look over to the left, under my name, you'll see what many around here would consider a fairly low number of posts. And I've been here a while, too!   Not coincidentally, on those rare occasions when I post a poem, most of the responses I get are from people I've interacted with behind the scenes, since I get so little opportunity to respond to the work of others in the forums. Shoot, I suspect a lot of the newer members don't know me from Adam, and I'm not at all surprised when they don't comment on one of my posts. I'm just another name to them, and even my good poetry (I think I have one or two) is just a drop in a moderately large ocean of equally good poetry.

Someone please do tell me what is the thought on posting a thank you after all the responses received on ones poetry. Michael inferred it, but I'll say it bluntly: Responding to responses is both courteous and more than valid. We've used the word "interactive" in this thread a lot. To my mind, that means a dialog as opposed to a monologue. We don't get up on a stage and wait for applause, like an entertainer (that's more like the main site, I think). If we're on stage here at all it's only for a few brief moments, then we return to our seats in the audience and let someone else take center stage. Those that pat us on the back as we return to our seats deserve a smile and a thank you, just as that fellow you pass as he heads toward the stage you just vacated deserves a nod of encouragement. Give and take. Back and forth. A dialog.
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26 posted 01-17-2000 08:09 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

Now I think we're headed somewhere valid but that's only my own thoughts and I need to get something written and posted whilst it's in my mind...so I'll come back to this in a few a little while....but,I'll say this for starters, numbers are not indictative of caring, only time or lack of, unless the author deems otherwise and I wish to heck I had more time..LOL

I'll be back cause I love a debate and this looks like a great one.. )

HUGS

 Don't ask me where I'm going, just listen when I'm gone and far away you'll hear me singing softly to the dawn.

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27 posted 01-17-2000 08:09 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Better late than never is what my mama always used to say. I've read with interest all the posts in this thread and now will add my 5 cents (inflation from 2 cents).

I will use myself as an example so I don't offend anyone or so it doesn't sound like I'm pointing fingers!!!

Sharon, tell me, why do you post on the Passions Forums?

Answer To be honest, at first it was to get affirmation that I do have some modicum of talent..for years I wasn't sure.  But since joining this wonderful group, I've written more and been challenged to write better than any time in my life.

Sharon, how do you feel when you see your poem sliding off the first page?

Answer (giggling) I don't mind! Because I know it's there somewhere! I set my browser for 20 days! I can go back and find anything I want..or I can do a search if I can't find my poem...besides...I read more than I write anyway!

Sharon, do you think multiple posts are a problem?

Answer Sometimes..but it's usually a new member and then I reply to only one poem and let the others 'fall where they may'.

Sharon, isn't this a little drastic? You could miss a good poem!

Answer I'm on enough that if I see a poem I didn't reply to (you can tell by the color of the title) I will then read it. Usually the second week a member is here, they have posted all their archived poetry and are posting fewer poems.

Sharon, have you ever posted more than one poem on the forums at a time.

Answer (blushing!) I was in a writer's block a couple of months ago..one night, I came out of it with a bang!  I posted 4 or 5 poems..not all in the same forum and not within minutes of each other. I felt so bad about that, but it just felt so good to be able to write again!

Sharon, what do you think of all this fuss about posts and replies?

Answer To be honest, I'm confused! A forum is a living document..constantly moving, growing, changing. I submit poetry to the main site because I know it will always be there. I post in the forums for quick, on the spot reaction.

Passions growth will continue to bring more and more poets here..I've encouraged many from other sites, other places to join us. Of course that means my poetry is a drop in this big Passions bucket..but you know what? I love this place! We are a family! We are here to encourage and support each other. If someone is upset because they don't see their poem on the first page of the forum, submit it to the main site..it will be there forever!

Sharon, you're getting a little misty-eyed there..are you ok...

Answer Aw, I just want us to get along..who cares how many posts one poet has.. who cares how many replies..who cares what page it's on..I just thank God I have some talent and have found a place to share the talent of others and let them share in mine.

I will now step down and remove myself from the Alley (is that a cat over there?)

Thanks for reading!


Marilyn
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28 posted 01-17-2000 09:45 PM       View Profile for Marilyn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Marilyn

Ok...I have come back to this because I have been speaking with Tempress via ICQ. She is still upset with some of the replies she has received with this post. I have to agree with Ron completely. From the time I first found this board and even received a reply I was amazed. I read and I replied to others works and I made some wonderful friends. I posted some more and suddenly I found I had a following. I was simply amazed and terribly flattered.

Yes I post infrequently in open but my faithful friends look me up when ever I post a piece. If their is someone I want to see it and they miss it I icq or e-mail the link to them. It is as simple as that. I remember my poems fading into the resesses with nary 2 replies but then I had not met and got to know people. It was not the number of replies I received that kept me here and had me ask how I could help with this board. It was the people that make up the family we call Passions. (Denise..I have to thankyou for that prose comment. I know you have read and replied to my work there. You were my first fan...lol ((HUG)).

Just one comment on the hurt feelings. I would like to know how sarcasm is brought across in typing? This is not a flipant question...if anyone knows please tell me. Sarcasm is an art using words that say onething but with a tone and body language infer another. It is truely an art for it to be carried off properly.

When we type we use words, there is no inflection of the voice, so how do we take straighht forward statements to be something other then what they are? Unless we have a relationship with the person we are speaking with on line, we can not assume to know that they mean something other then what they are saying. (oy! I have talked myself in a circle and I am dizzy...lol)

Too many misunderstands happen in an online situation because we read more into a statement then is really there. I think we need to ask for clarification of things before we allow ourselves to be hurt by simple words on a page. This is directed at all the members of Passions and any other on line community.

I think I am done...I hope this made some sense. If not write it off as the ramblings of a mad woman...lol
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29 posted 01-17-2000 10:01 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

First off - Temptress - I don't think anyone is of the opinion that you are an 'enemy' - you're just venting views - perfectly acceptable! It is the alley! So, have a hug - (and come join on my group hug if you want)

Second - Elizabeth - you start posting and replying less and I WILL get out on a plane and FORCE you to stay just as you are - a loving, stable member of our family. OK?  

It is a dilemna I think that has no real answer. Just education - and truly, the posts won't stay there long - they all sink. I guess it just requires determination to keep on clicking past page 1.

That's it from me...

K
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30 posted 01-18-2000 01:41 AM       View Profile for Saxoness   Email Saxoness   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Saxoness

Ok...here is my take on it...nothing new and exciting, but I can't ever seem to keep my mouth shut.
I've been around here for along time. I try to reply more than I post...but as you can see by my numbers...I don't do either very often. It's mostly just because I don't get inspired to write something good but a few times a month. If a poem or story doesn't meet my personal standards...I don't post it. Because of this, i'm really not very well known in places like open poetry, (or any other forums for the matter) but thats just common sense. When I do post, the people who respond to it are my friends. I know it's not because people don't like me...they just don't know me. The are going to respond to their friends before they respond to me. It's a family here...family and friends...no spite or malice is "usually" intended. So if you excuse me...i'm going to go join in a hug!


 "Glory remains unaware of my neglected dwelling where alone
I sing my tearful song which has charms only for me."

-Charles Brugnot

Nan
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31 posted 01-18-2000 07:20 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Geesh.... Take a day off to play with my munchkins, and look at what happens...
Michael and Balladeer, I'm glad to see you were covering the place yesterday...
Ron - It seems to me that spending time in both atmospheres is the best way to keep an appreciation for both within your heart - Snowbirding, as we say...
Elizabeth and Sharon - You're both under house arrest... Elizabeth, that's the only way to be sure we don't miss ANY of your great poetry.... and Sharon, you're talking to yourself now... I know you've been avoiding the 'stute - But we may have to reconsider after this......

If you'll all excuse me now,  I have to go read several hundred poems that are on about page 5 by this point.......
Munda
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32 posted 01-18-2000 04:52 PM       View Profile for Munda   Email Munda   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Munda's Home Page   View IP for Munda

First of all I'd like you to know I do NOT think you're the enemy. : ) I think I know how you feel. I don't spend much time at open myself anymore because of the overwhelming amount of poetry there. However, when I do spend some time on open # 5, I mostly go to page 10 - 15 and reply to some of the poetry (with few replies) of which I think should be read a little more. And you know what ?? Most of the time these poems do get more replies. : ) So it seems to work : )
Just take a deep breath and smile girl....as passion is growing and growing and growing... ...and, even with all these multiple postings, we will soon not be able to read everything anymore.
doreen peri
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33 posted 01-19-2000 09:42 AM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

STOP IT! PEACE!!



Listen, Jenn, you are a fine writer. Just keep writing and posting and being the kind, caring individual you are. Don't be so concerned about the quantity of replies, but moreso enjoy the quality of the replies which show that those who read your poem "got it" and saw the world, if for only a moment, through your eyes. There are many here who appreciate your writing- you are one of the few free verse poets who brings sensuality to the pen and who writes about intimacy and the darker side of relationships.

My poems OFTEN get bumped off the first and second pages within a very short period of time. Sometimes, I go find them myself and bump them back up so they can be seen. Yep... I am guilty of that... I thank the people who commented and at the same time kick the poem back up top... 2 birds with one stone... geesh... no remorse, though. It is the nature of this software. Poems appear in chronological order in regards to the last comment, not the last original post. It's actually one of the aspects of this software that took me the longest to get used to, since I was accustomed to posting on bulletin boards where original posts remained chronological.Oh well. It is the nature of the beast.Being on the top somewhere should not be the goal. Writing good poetry should be the goal. This shouldn't be a "popularity contest". This, however, is a microcosm of the real world and people LOVE attention, popularity and fame.

Ron's illustration using city vs. country as a simile was excellent, btw.

Anyway, the only other thing I have to say is that poetpeople are artists who are often overly sensitive (I am included). We all want the attention of an appreciative audience but it just confuses the purpose of our writing when we focus on the audience instead of the verse. I know that happens to me on occasion. I think that when we find ourselves becoming sensitive about the number of replies we are getting, we should take 10 deep breaths and then relax and forget it. (Oh, first go bump it up to the top one more time... LOL) And then.... write a poem about it. If we writers wrote a poem EVERY time we felt slighted, ignored, shown lack of respect, avoided, or WHATEVER negative emotion.... damn... we'd sure have written a lot of poem! I think that's why  God gave the artists extraordinary sensitivity... so we could relay those human feelings to others in a way that nobody else has. Your talent as a writer is truly a gift from God. When the negative emotions raise their evil heads, that's when your writing can be the most inspired.

Btw, I'm not interested in "fame"... only fortune (hehe.. just kidding...)

Whew! I was just going to say a couple words... got to rambling! Geesh! sorry. Take care, Jenn.

dp
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34 posted 01-19-2000 10:12 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Ron,

You are most wise!
Paul Hoekman
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35 posted 01-24-2000 05:24 PM       View Profile for Paul Hoekman   Email Paul Hoekman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Paul Hoekman's Home Page   View IP for Paul Hoekman

Hello Everyone,
I don't really have much to say, but have
just read this whole thing and just want
well I guess Ron especially to read that this place is extraordinarily unique as
you well know.I have never in my life had an
experience such as this forum.
And for myself it seems to me that the Spirituality that runs so strong throughout
the whole place keeps it running in my eyes
smooth considering all and everyone involved
and will continue to do so.
  Ron as you know all the Moderators here are absolutely wonderful. As the Captain
I'm sure you are very proud and confident
as i am in your crew(I see no icebergs).
I did question early on where the poems
went and then felt very silly when I realized
that they are all there pages and pages.
I think different people get different
things and look for different things out of this forum, some want replys some just want to post some are here to enjoy the social life but we are all here to grow.
And I know most of us are Christians aand therefore in the end no matter what ups and downs go on we are sure to end up in Peace and Harmony and if Elizabeth ever leaves
(not that I'm anything special)
I will blow this alley wide open!
LET THE PEACE WHICH PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING
KEEP YOUR HEARTS AND MINDS IN CHRIST JESUS
                   AMEN!
Dr.Moose1
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36 posted 02-04-2000 05:27 PM       View Profile for Dr.Moose1   Email Dr.Moose1   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dr.Moose1

Well, this certainly is a crowded spot in the alley.I've just finished reading the entire thread and maybe I've missed something yet...I came here to write , laugh , share , well you get the picture.
As for seeking validation , I can pretty much take it or leave it .If I were judged by the number of replies I post , they would throw me bodily from this place . Yes I am guilty . But I enjoy being here , and if no-one replied to my postings I would just have to assume they had no literary taste what-so -ever .Ha! I wasn't aware this was such a serious place , maybe that's what I was missing .
Doc
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37 posted 02-06-2000 07:58 AM       View Profile for White Wolf   Email White Wolf   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for White Wolf

I have a thought on this.  Open Poetry forum seems to be a catch all for poetry that doesn't quite fit into any of the other forums and it is also the place to post your poetry so that it will get noticed.  I know that there are alot of poeple in OP.  But I do have a thought that maybe I will post in another forum as a new subject.  A forum for all of the new talent that are becoming part of this family.  Anyway Peace has always been the better part of war(and what that comment has to do with the price of tea in China, I don't really know).  Peace to all and keep writing.  I know I will.

 "Life's greatest mystery isn't the meaning of life. To love and be loved is the meaning of life. Now how to attain those is the greatest mystery of all."

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38 posted 10-01-2003 10:27 AM       View Profile for QjQ   Email QjQ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for QjQ

                                                                

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39 posted 10-01-2003 12:10 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

One ppossible solution to this is to open the forums with Todays Topics, instead of opening each topic in turn... By doing it this way, I am able to see any of the posts that were done for that day, and not have to spend time worrying about missing one that got pushed to the next page.
Either way, I do not get many replies for most of my postings, and it doesn'tr bother me at all... Are we doing this because we are so insecure that we need that constant reassurance, or are we doing it to share our love of words and writing?
Anyways... just my thoughts.

We are all equal but we’re individually different
and able to reach the impossible if we try.

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40 posted 10-01-2003 01:49 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

There are many aches and confusions in life, especially in this day of excesses and wicked haste , so people will tend more go to what pleases and comforts most for simple relief. And what suggests a pleasing and comfort will naturally attract more often people than what is very unknown,  very artfully manifold and difficult to understand.  It is similar here in some ways, I believe.
There is nothing wrong with ingracing oneself to a crowd by proffering what pleases because people prefer pleasure best.  Who get all the numbers are those that give pleasure, but I do not think they have a set mind for numbers or for a or make this as an intellectual equation-- it is their pleasure as well, so they do as they as they will.  
If you don't give what you know will earn and gain its attention best don't expect the same response from the crowd.  It is a very challenge if you will gain their attention otherways.  And it may take much more time.  You have to take the needful time either way.
That is just my saying, however well or ill.

[This message has been edited by Essorant (10-01-2003 02:38 PM).]

Paula Finn
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41 posted 10-03-2003 10:58 AM       View Profile for Paula Finn   Email Paula Finn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Paula Finn

Ok...Jen I know exactly how you feel...because of school I get here so seldom and for such short periods of time that I don't get to read as much as I used to...because of that replies to the poetry I do write is pretty well limited to poets who have known me a long time...I try to read at least one new name everytime I get here but thats not always possible. It can be so frustrating to see something you have written, something thats just been torn out of you slip down the page...and to see someone elses poem keep getting bumped...not neccesarily because its  GOOD poem, but just because of the author...but hey so what! I read names I know before I read others. And it is frustrating to open this site and see the same name five six seven times on the first page, with very few replies so you know its because of multiple postings...that pushes EVERYONES poem down down down. Its all really a matter of courtesy...and hey...those are the poems I DON"T read.
Wind
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42 posted 10-03-2003 04:27 PM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

I love QJQ's interest in these issues....I think it is so cool that wants to learn.

I'm wondering if I am selfish because this doesn't bother me anymore. there are a few people here that bother me because they post constantly and get very few..even no responses and don't care. If my poem falls on the second page...well I usualy start hating it by the time it does that anyways. and I try to bump only poems that I think are good. replying to everything is unfair if it doesn't touch you in any way. and as for the numbers thing...

eh...who cares? I know people who have been here two months and get twich the replys that many do.

It is because they are good...not because they are selfish.

excuse me...I am getting off topic.


And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots!"
-Tool

[This message has been edited by Wind (10-03-2003 04:27 PM).]

 
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