Member Rara Avis
Hello again, all. Before I begin to say what I hope will be the last I feel the need to say about all this, I just want to say that I think it's wonderful, indeed, to be amongst such intelligent, thinking and caring individuals.
All who have posted in this thread, bar none, have expressed what appear to be true and sincere empathy and outreach toward each other. There are clearly differences of opinion, but if you look at the whole picture, you will see human beings who care so much about what they believe in to take a stand for it.... and to stand by others who believe how they believe. That, my friends, is freedom, isn't it? We are truly free if we can openly discuss our differences and display our adament beliefs in a public forum. No doubt in my mind that this is what freedom of speech is all about.
I also want to say that I'm sick of this subject, too, but dammit! I just can't seem to leave erroneous comments alone or ask for clarification when I don't understand what someone else has said. So, that's why I'm writing to this thread again.
Ok, now I have just another couple of things to say. Systematic Decay said this,
"Doreen, you say Scott seems to "think" some people are out to get him, but Ron noticed and pointed out that Scott is often berated not for the content, but for being him....I believe it was in Christopher's complaint.
Kelly, **sigh again** your reply was rude and unwarranted....an ATTACK- which seems to be what everyone is against, in one way or another, be it hypocritical or not."
(i hope I did the html right to make the above bold. If not, sorry)
To the statement directed toward me, I have no personal experience with any replies to Scott's posts berating him as a person, not in response to his content. It matters not to me that Ron has apparently stated he has interpreted responses to DE's posts as such. Not that I don't respect Ron's opinion... I most certainly do! But I have not personally seen this. Therefore, if someone (DE... Systematic Decay... 1984? Anybody?) could send me a link via e-mail to such responses to DE's posts, I'd very much like to witness this first hand. If someone has been publicly personally berated or attacked, I would be up in arms about this myself. Until I see first hand that this has actually happened, I'll stick to my opinion stated in my previous lengthy post (whew! I DO get long-winded, don't I?)
As for Systematic Decay's second comment directed toward Kelly and claiming that Kelly has attacked DE by saying he "submitted trash" .... geez!!! You think that's an ATTACK? No, my friend, that is simply Kelly's opinion regarding the content of the document. Kelly's words here do not personally attack DE. On the contrary! They speak about the content of the "literature".
Here I'd like to insert, that I recently went to another bulletin board where DE's "Halloween Story" got rave reviews from the other poets, many of whom I greatly respect. They disagree with Kelly and I, I guess, but that's what freedom of speech is all about, isn't it? I was really surprised at so many positive responses because the content of the piece was, in my opinion, intended to be disturbing with no resolution to the evil. Frankly, it made me sick on my stomach. (That was a comment regarding the content, btw, not a personal attack on DE... just thought I'd clear that up in advance).
And finally *wiping sweat from brow*, I have a couple of questions I'd like 1984 to answer:
"Yes, there are several other places to hang out, which I do, that have no moderators, no edit functions, no advertisements. They offer real freedom, real expression, without edit."
(1) - I'm sure you've seen me at these other sites, as well, and I like it there VERY much btw, but.... here's the question.... If you like so much no edit functions, no moderators, and all that, why don't you accept those people here who openly speak that they do not think certain types of writing are art, but instead, consider them valueless and degrading? Why can't I say that here? If I said it on the other sites, you'd call it free speech but if I say it here, you call it the "Decorum" of a site which censors people? You speak from two sides of your mouth.
and (last question)
(2) Do you honestly think that all public bulletin boards would allow the KKK to post messages of hate without censor? If you do, you should think again. Most all responsible online community bulletin boards would not allow such posts. This is because, (thank God), the majority of people on this planet are learning not to hate people. Hate verbiage is tolerated less and less. And similarly, verbiage condoning violence and human abuse is being tolerated less and less.
Ok, that's all I have to say (that's what I said last time, huh? hehehe oh, except, loved your post, james! You are a fantastic human being and I wish you all the best of luck in Korea... I will miss you VERY much).
Good day to all. Happy community living! Peace and love and rock'n'roll! Pass the bottle of wine, I'm going out of this one in style!
Damn it feels good to have a place to speak my mind!!!! Woohoo! I absolutely LOVE freedom of speech!!!