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Juju
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0 posted 02-26-2009 09:31 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

This says all.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29410258?GT1=43001
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392964
-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

[This message has been edited by Juju (02-27-2009 01:09 AM).]

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1 posted 02-26-2009 09:53 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

I use to be a Democrat; I tried for years to understand the ways and means of ways and means; and while at heart, I can be a person who will take care of herself, I don't like handouts; I don't like so much of what the "Dems" have become;

So I've vacillated in the last few years [seems like centuries!] and sometimes I have to think about what is best for my community; what is best for my state; what is best for my country....

I think the Registrar is tired of my vacillating mind.

I know what a coffin with a flag looks like; I don't think I need to see it displayed over the auspices of what our government had decided what was best to do.

These young people did what they wanted to do for a country that chose to help others; whether that was good or bad, they made a decision to do what they thought was best. And for THIS ACT, I applaud not only them, but their families for raising their children to think "country first"; even if it wasn't for their own country.

I believe that the Military will always, or at least should always have their place in the United States. My mere thank you to the families will have no place in their hearts over the loss they know. I have always felt that if I could, I would have put myself in the place of those they have lost.

Mere words, I know, but I value the action of their loved ones for the price of what our country has always believed in; and freedom is priceless.

Thank you, Juju, for giving us this sight; so that we might voice.
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2 posted 02-26-2009 10:06 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Yes,

I belong to neither party, but I find myself voting for republicans. Simply because privacy isn't expoited for political gain. It should be the families choice.  Unfortunitly it wasn't respected due to political gain.  Really sad.

-Juju

-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

[This message has been edited by Juju (02-27-2009 01:12 AM).]

Bob K
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     I have heard that the same rules will apply to photographs being taken as those that apply within Arlington.  Only those who feel comfortable and wish to have the ceremony filmed with have this done.  I believe this on on the Rachael Maddow Show this evening, February 26th, in an interview with the head of the Iraq War Veterans for Peace.  I believe I have the organization's name correct.

     If I'd heard they were going to be made a spectacle of, I too, would feel upset.
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4 posted 02-27-2009 11:26 AM       View Profile for Susan Caldwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Susan Caldwell

From the article:

"Families of Americaís war dead will be allowed to decide if news organizations can photograph the homecomings of their loved ones, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday."

So did I miss something?

"...but I find myself voting for republicans. Simply because privacy isn't expoited for political gain. It should be the families choice.  Unfortunitly it wasn't respected due to political gain."

Color me confused....

"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~

Juju
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5 posted 02-27-2009 11:35 AM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Now that Obama is in office, The Politicians who were for letting the news agencies run pictures without family consent- now suddenly are for the families have the choice again.  You have to read between the lines. This is a left wing source lol.

-Juju

-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

Grinch
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quote:
Now that Obama is in office, The Politicians who were for letting the news agencies run pictures without family consent- now suddenly are for the families have the choice again.


Thatís impressive, clear evidence of change if you ask me.

Itís also refreshing that a government has decided to relinquish the responsibility to the folks who should have the freedom to decide for themselves - and Obama is responsible for this piece of common sense you say? Yep very impressive.

Juju
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7 posted 02-27-2009 06:22 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Unfortunately, not that impressive.

I am not impressed by politically motivated poeple.  

-Juju

-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

Grinch
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8 posted 02-27-2009 07:00 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

Juju,

I was impressed - but I might be missing something - exactly what did Obama and the Democrats do wrong here?

Do you think the ban should have stayed in place?

Do you think that the press should be given free and unrestricted access?

Or do you think that the decision to let the familyís decide was the right way to go?

[This message has been edited by Grinch (02-27-2009 10:08 PM).]

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9 posted 02-27-2009 07:19 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

The timing.

-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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10 posted 02-27-2009 07:57 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

quote:
The timing.


Do you mean it should have been overturned earlier? How much earlier? Last week, last month? Why not last year or the year before?

Or do you think it was overturned too early? Surely if it should be overturned at all it should be done as soon as is practicably possible.

Huan Yi
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11 posted 02-27-2009 08:03 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

.


So if 1 family decides to have
their son's 1 coffin in a picture
while 99 others in the same group don't
what happens?  Is there a picture of
that 1 coffin with no reference or judgement
on the 99 others?


.
Grinch
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quote:
So if 1 family decides to have
their son's 1 coffin in a picture
while 99 others in the same group don't
what happens?


If the picture contains 100 coffins then the picture can only be used if all 100 familyís agree, if even 1 refuses permission the picture cannot legally be used.

[This message has been edited by Grinch (02-27-2009 10:07 PM).]

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     I wonder, however, if that means "for attribution."  I believe all military caskets look alike and are treated in the same way.  Once you start to say, "This is the casket of Bernie Foyle," then, is that the point where permissions begin to be a factor.  Or is it the point when an anonymous group of a hundred caskets shows up at an airbase?

     I'm vague on the legalities of this.  Does anybody actually know what the actual law is that governs the situation?
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quote:
Does anybody actually know what the actual law is that governs the situation?


Thatís a very good point Bob, I have to hold my hand up and admit that I didnĎt, but after some research I think I do now.

There is in fact no law I can find prohibiting taking pictures of the coffins returning to Dover, which makes my previous comment regarding legality incorrect. The ban on photography at Dover is a military enforced rule - put another way they just donít allow it to happen but if it does happen thereís technically no legal process for pursuing punishment or damages specific to taking the photograph.

That said Iíd be surprised if a claim for undue suffering or invasion of privacy would be kicked out of court if a photo was taken and published without the familyís permission.

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