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strbbux
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0 posted 2002-02-08 09:42 AM



Dear Friends, please be sure to copywrite all your poetry.. I am in tears, I have recieved an email and I have been accused of plagiarism from someone who read my poem on another board. I wrote that poem every single word myself. and I posted it the same day I wrote it right here on this board. here is my poem, and I am being accused of plagiarism. I don't know how something like this could happen or how to even defend myself...please copywrite all your work...so this doesn't happen to you.. floria
Daydreams

As I walk along the sandy shores,
My thoughts are all of you.
Of the times we spent together,
And the things we used to do.

Then I hear a susurration,
As the waves slowly move on the shore.
And I wish that once again,
Things could be as they were before.

The soft murmuring sounds I hear,
They seem like sweet words so clear,
As if you are saying "I love you"
With your cheek pressed against my ear.

Then the cold water catches my legs,
And I feel the iciness of the waves.
I awake from my daydream and realize,
That I've just been walking in a daze.

If this daydream could come true,
It would be my fondest desire.
That forever you and I could be one,
And our love again be on fire.

Floria

© Copyright 2002 Floria Kelderhouse - All Rights Reserved
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1 posted 2002-02-08 09:51 AM


Knowing what i know of you I am hurt by this for you also.  I just thought that once it was "online" it says copyright and that means it is!  Isn't this ridiculous, you know this makes me so angry, it's getting so a person can't do anything anymore without  having someone accuse them of stealing their words!  I'm sorry this happened to you Floria, and I hope someone can suggest something that maybe we all need to do
to prevent this in the future?

Kathleen--(Kay)
"When red-haired girls scamper like roses over the rain-green grass, and the sun drips honey."
Laurie Lee



doreen peri
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2 posted 2002-02-08 09:54 AM


it's a really good poem, floria!

i'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you...

as far as copyright, you say  you posted it on this board the day  you created it? that is your proof right there...

the software documents date of posting

if you want to document the time, you can just edit the poem and the time is also documented in the edit line .

i hope this helps

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3 posted 2002-02-08 10:01 AM


floria, I am not an attorney but as I recall regardless of what you write on your poem, the owner in court will always be the first person to show proof that it was published somewhere, at the earliest day, as I believe that the copyright law allows back filing.

So a dated printout or a computer date should suffice. Even the computer date on your hard drive is strong evidence, or records of an ISP from a backup.

Putting a written copyright on it I believe is a courtesy warning to others that copyrighting is a crime. Do you have an attorney friend? You can also research this on the internet.

You are in my prayers.
-newell

Sharing God's Love through perfectlovepoetry.com

Copyright: 2002 Newell Elsworth Usher

[This message has been edited by Silver Streak (02-08-2002 10:08 AM).]

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I'm so sorry this has happened to you....
and it is a beautiful poem....you should check with Kit or Ron they are so good at this stuff......*hugs* to you....

[This message has been edited by SEA (02-08-2002 10:04 AM).]

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5 posted 2002-02-08 10:03 AM


Iam sorry to hear about this.Sorry,my friend,but I do really enjoy reading your poems.
strbbux
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6 posted 2002-02-08 10:18 AM


THANK YOU ALL, IF I DONT REPLY IT IS BECAUSE I AM BUSY TRYING TO PROVE THIS IS MINE. I SO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP, AND I HAVE COPIED AND PASTED THE FIRST TIME I POSTED IT HERE, WITH THE DATE, SO I AM HOPING THAT HELPS. I DONT CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT THE POEM ITSELF BUT THE ACCUSATION REALLY UPSETS ME. THANKS TO ALL MY DEAR FRIENDS HERE, I WILL COME BACK AND CONTINUE TO READ YOUR REPLIES, BUT I WONT REPLY UNTIL I FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT OTHER BOARD.. FLORIA
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7 posted 2002-02-08 10:20 AM


Floria,
Not to worry the above advice is good. Beautiful poem.

Bill Charles
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8 posted 2002-02-08 10:34 AM


strbbux - I've often wondered about this myself. I went to another site to read some, and found some of my writing in someone else's poem. Not good. I pray that you get this straightened out. And let us know what happens...

BC

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9 posted 2002-02-08 10:34 AM


Oh my..I am so sorry to hear about this...your work is so uniquely yours that I can't imagine anyone accusing you of stealing their work....Take advantage of all the advice given and know you have my support and the love and support of so many here at Passions. **big big hugs**

Love I leave with you whether it is in your life now or yet the essense of your dreams.

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10 posted 2002-02-08 10:51 AM


I read your notice, Floria, and I sure know how you feel! Once when I discovered someone had taken one of my poems (it happened to be the first one I had ever written) and I contacted the webmmaster of the site, she was unsure of which one of us to believe and in turn contacted Ron. Anyway, we all believe you here! I have only read parts of your poem above, but I just wanted to say this right away. I'll come back and reply to the poem itself later.

God bless America, my home sweet home.

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11 posted 2002-02-08 10:55 AM


i wouldnt worry about it if i was you..obviously the person does not know what they are talking about..they are just a trouble maker..with nothing else better to do.. hugs

                ~Vic

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12 posted 2002-02-08 10:56 AM


Back to say that I liked the poem. The ocean was a good way to keep up the imagery throughout the verses. Good work Floria, and good luck on the plagiarism issue. As I said, we all are behind you on this one!

God bless America, my home sweet home.

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13 posted 2002-02-08 10:56 AM


ELIZABETH, PLEASE TAKE NOTE,, YOU ARE ALSO ON THAT SITE WITH ME, NAN,, SHE IS ACCUSING ME OF PLAGIARISM, I AM ANGRY AT HER FOR BELIEVING THE PERSON WHO WROTE HER AND NOT BELIEVING ME. YOU KNOW HER ELIZABETH, AND I WROTE EVERY WORD OF THIS POEM. I DONT CARE ABOUT THE POEM. I CAN WRITE OTHERS, I CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT BEING ACCUSED OF SOMETHING I DID'T DO AND OF HAVING MY WORK STOLEN..THANKS LIZ FOR REPLYING...FLORIA
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14 posted 2002-02-08 10:58 AM


Contact the owner of the board where it was first placed, the owner should provide proof that you posted it at that time. However, the accuser could still come back and claim to have written it BEFORE it was posted.

Are they threatening to sue? Ask them for proof that THEY had it copyrighted. That may stop them in their tracks.

And we have some very good threads in the Alley about plagarism...check them out.

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15 posted 2002-02-08 11:00 AM


Floria, will you email me the url so I can find this place (perhaps den of iniquity woule be a more accurate term?) and see what all is going on there? Thanks for the notice.

God bless America, my home sweet home.

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16 posted 2002-02-08 11:03 AM


Floria darling girl you know that there’s nothing anyone can say here, I simply cannot understand some people, it’s about time they engage the brain before they open their mouths. You will be okay I know it I. If you need me email me darling girl

Do I love this poem? Yes, it is superb, and you are wonderful utterly utterly wonderful


Love and warm stuff
As always
Mushy

To give light to them that sit in darkness..... to guide our feet into the way of peace St John ch2 v1


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17 posted 2002-02-08 11:05 AM


Well, this is so awful, isn't it. I mean, we get joy from our writing,  there is no earthly reason we would steal someone elses poem. Often a line in someones poem my be the same as someone elses, just because another poet may think of it. Once in awhile I worry that I may write something that someone else has said,cause how many ways can you descrbe love and life? But I would never take someones work as my own, and I know you wouldn't either. Geez, its not like we are getting paid to write these poems, we do it for the love of it. So whoever is accusing you is wrong. Try not to let it get to you. By the way it is a lovely poem.
Sandra

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18 posted 2002-02-08 11:11 AM


Floria...this poem is exquisite.  I am so sorry that anyone has accused you of plaigerism...Knowing you, I know that you would never do anything like that.  I think that what might have happened is that someone plaigerized parts of your poem, and then you got blamed for it because someone thought that the other person was the original writer.  
and that you plaigerized it from them.  You are very right about copyrighting our poetry.
Everyone should make sure that they do it.
Thanks for the warning and for sharing this beautiful poem with us, Floria.

copyright2002 Lyra Nesius

"poetry is life distilled"  Gwendolyn Brooks

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19 posted 2002-02-08 12:00 PM


do you post under a different name there??? which site is it so I will be sure not to go there and post....sadly people accuse before finding out the truth....I am sorry this happened....there is NOTHING like being accused of something you didnt do....


I think the above is most beautiful....be well...PEACE it will all work out, and if you know the truth which you do and we here do...then....thats all that really matters...


Lauren~


Step through the
barrier of my mind,
enter my soul,
feel my desire,
let my eyes guide you
into the shadows
of my heart

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(BIG HUGGGSSSSSS) Oh dear, how dreadful, my heart goes out to you, for I can understand you've afflicted so much pain from this! (kiss on cheek) We all believe you so much, for your words are always so sincere and beautiful and if this happens again, we'll all help you get down to the bottom of this and help you! All our thoughts are with you, sweet friend! (EXTRA BIG HUGS)

Love,
Noah Eaton

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21 posted 2002-02-08 12:12 PM


Sorry to hear that, Floria

Thanks for the advice.

strbbux
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22 posted 2002-02-08 12:25 PM


I AM SO OVERWHELMED BY ALL THE CONCERN AND LOVE ON THIS BOARD. THIS IS SURELY AN EXCEPTIONAL SITE ON THE INTENET AND YOU MY FRIENDS TURN MY TEARS OF SADNESS INTO JOY. I AM WORKING ON IT AND MAKING PROGRESS.. I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW THE RESULTS, AND PLEASE COPYWRITE YOUR WORK.IT IS A BAD FEELING TO BE ACCUSED WRONGLY...LOVE YOU ALL, EVERY ONE OF YOU....FLORIA
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23 posted 2002-02-08 12:43 PM


why would people do this.....a poem is so special and always a piece from the writer. it's sad that people doing such a bad thing.
Wish you strength and pray that the truth will win.

((hugs))
Charisma

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24 posted 2002-02-08 01:47 PM


I stopped posting at two other boards, and rarely visit anywhere but here, due to time constraints. I'm sorry to hear of this, as it does not bode well for writers confidence in general on the net, and may suffer the same consequences as music copyright infringements. I don't mind when someone enjoys my words and tries to emulate, but outright copying is unforgiveable when they don't credit you. Not to mention illegal. I believe in poetic justice. That person will pay the price, eventually. Hugs to you, sweet poetess and friend Floria. (PS which site?)
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25 posted 2002-02-08 02:27 PM


Oh Floria I am so sorry to hear about this. Copyrighting is definately something everyone needs to do when they post a poem. It looks as if you have the proper evidence that can prove that it was your own creation.  Anyway, I don't believe that you would even think about plagarizing anyone, it is such a stupid idea.  Thank you Floria for reminding us to do this, it is very important.  Again, I am sorry this has happened to you, and i hope everything gets straightened out soon!

    Randy Meador

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26 posted 2002-02-08 03:56 PM


I am so sorry to see this Floria. It would be awful to be accused of something like this. I hope you sort it out soon.
I believe that our work here is already copyright. It says at the bottom of the post that it is. But this is not going to stop someone stealing it. The unscrupulous won't be stopped like that, nor will the stupid who think they won't be caught.
I keep all my poems in my private library so at any time I can prove exactly when I posted them here.
I too would like to know where this site is. Just to check on it now and then.
Once again, I hope this is sorted out soon.

Dee

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27 posted 2002-02-08 04:06 PM


THANK YOU EVERYONE, I HAVE YET TO RESOLVE THIS, I BELIEVE SOMEONE STOLE THE POEM FROM ME AND PUT THEIR NAME ON IT AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON READ IT AND SAW ANOTHER OF THE SAME WITH MY NAME AND OH WELL, YOU GUESS RIGHT. I AM THE ONE ACCUSED OF INFRINGING..NEVER DID THAT GUYS, EVERY SINGLE DOT ON THE PAGE IS MINE...THANKS FOR SUPPORT, THE PERSON THAT HAS ACCUSED ME, WROTE AN EMAIL TO ANOTHER BOARD WHERE I POST, THE PERSON ACUSSING ME HAS STILL NOT RESPONDED, SO IT IS NOT THE BOARD ITSELF BUT THE PERSON WHO READ MY POEM ON THE SITE.. THE SITE IS (POETRYCORNER.COM )AND MY "DAYDREAMS: IS UNDER ROMANCE POETRY.. BUT THAT IS JUST THE SITE,,, SOMEONE WHO READ IT, EMAILED THE WEBMISTRESS AND I WAS ACCUSED AND TOLD MY POETRY WOULD BE PULLED. WELL GUESS WHAT, I AM PULLING MYSELF OFF THAT SITE AS SOON AS I RESOLVE THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE NAN THE WEBMISTRESS WILL NOT BELIEVE ME...GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRR....THANKS EVERYONE, I AM BUSY WITH THIS, I WILL BE BACK SOON..LOVE YOU GUYS.. FLORIA
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28 posted 2002-02-08 07:45 PM


Floria, you are such a kind and loving individual, I know you wouldn't even think of doing such a thing.  I feel so bad for you sweetie.  
It is a beautiful poem as well.
~Hugs for better days, Nancy~

~Time has cast a spell on you,
  So you won't ever forget me~

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29 posted 2002-02-08 07:52 PM


Thanks Nancy and everyone, It is not over, I have found the accuser and have emailed her and asked for proof, I have asked her to email me a copy of the poem with the copywrite under it and somone elses signature and as of now, I still have not heard from her...this is a mess....see, that person could copywrite my poem, with her name, and then sue me for stealing her poem, which is really mine...oh gosh. confusing isnt it...I will let you all know. thanks. floria

Floria

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But die with all their music in them"
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30 posted 2002-02-08 07:58 PM


Enjoyed your poem Floria...James
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31 posted 2002-02-08 11:23 PM


One precaution you can take, is to always end your poems with a copywrite sign:
©, the year and your full name or the name that you publish under. And, adding "All Rights Reserved" helps.

© 2002 Your Name
All Rights Reserved

You can also send yourself your poetry via certified, registered mail, and keep the envelope you sent yourself sealed. This holds up in a court of law.

Of course, nothing is a substitute for legal copywriting of your work. Saving it up until you have a body of work makes it easier and cheaper to do.

Best of luck to you,

Corinne

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32 posted 2002-02-09 02:06 AM


i feel for you...
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33 posted 2002-02-09 09:27 AM


Hi Floria

I tried to do a search using various unique phrases from your poem throughout the internet for any other situations where it might have been posted, and I do not come up with any instances. I can see you're really frustrated, so bear with me … I hope this helps.

Try to bypass the person you're currently dealing with, and get to a higher level. You'll need to be able to identify the service provider of this site, see if they have a specific e-mail address that would best suit this type of problem. I couldn't find an appropriate e-mail address at the poetry.com site, so went to Verisign's "WhoIs" search page:
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois

If you leave the "domain name" box ticked, type in www.poetrycorner.com  just  above it, and click on "go". When you do this, you'll find information available to the public regarding the site as follows:

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
        Jones, Mark  (MJ3491)  mjones@CIRCAPRESS.COM

Technical Contact:
        PSINet, Inc.  (PSI-NISC)  hostinfo@PSI.COM

You might try reaching one of those above, and provide them detailed information as to your problem. You'll want to keep your wording professional and unemotional (I know it's hard when you're frustrated, but you'll find you will usually get a better response that way).

Send a cover note to them service provider (and you could also cc the other people involved to date if you wish).

Here is a copy of a note I have used to a service provider to give you some ideas. You can use some of this or alter the wording to suit your particular circumstances:

quote:
I would appreciate your assistance in a matter of copyright infringement by one of your members, and have provided additional information to assist you in your review. (for example, you could add "accused copyright infringement" for your particular circumstance Floria)

My original work has been posted by your member at the following location, and I would appreciate deletion of this page as the member has inappropriately taken credit for authorship:

url xxx of their post

For your reference, my original post can be found at:

url xxx of Passion's posting (or the posting where you initially posted it on the internet where you feel they found it and copied your poem from)

I am familiar with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA") which provides certain procedures to ensure that infringing materials are removed without wrongfully injuring the subscriber or unduly burdening the provider.

To assist you in your review, please note that I, Catherine (Kit) McCallum (your name), state that as author of the poem in question, note that in good faith belief, that use the of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by myself, my agent, or the law, and that the information in this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury. As author of the work in question, I am authorized to act on behalf of myself of an exclusive right as the infringed.

My signature is at the bottom of the scanned image attached. The attached image is a scan of my Copyright Certification from the CIPO (Canadian Intellectual Property Office) Registration No. xxxxxx. I have blocked my address from viewing.

I look forward to notification from you finalizing this issue, and appreciate your attention in this regard.

/Kit McCallum
kit@netpoets.com (your e-mail)
http://netpoets.com/poems/authors/0406000.htm



The reason I came up with the blurb above, was due to a response I received from Lycos in one situation. I thought I'd copy it here, so you are aware of what some of the larger service providers ask of you before addressing the issue. (I also include a scanned copy of my copyright certificate, which I signed and blocked my address from.). This is what I had received when I reached Lycos on an issue and didn't provide enough detail for them. If you don't have a copyright certificate, you could use the rest of the wording, and just eliminate it, hoping it's enough to convince them.

quote:


From:  Lycos Abuse Team
To:       Kit McCallum

Hello,

8/3/01

I am writing in response to your e-mail regarding content hosted through Lycos on one of our free homepage services.  You should understand that the content to which you have referred have has been stored on the Lycos system solely at the direction of a Lycos user and has not been initially reviewed, monitored, or edited by Lycos employees.  Lycos users bear sole responsibility for such material, and Lycos Inc. has no knowledge of the specific contents of member directories.

Lycos Inc. fully complies with all intellectual property laws.  In particular, when the owner of an exclusive right is concerned that this right is infringed by material placed on a provider's system or network by a subscriber of that provider the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA") provides certain procedures to ensure that infringing materials are removed without wrongfully injuring the subscriber or unduly burdening the provider.  In such instances, the owner of an exclusive right should send to the provider a notification containing the following information:

1.  A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is     allegedly infringed.  

2.  Precise identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site.

3.  Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material including exact URL's and references to specific files.

4.  Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, and electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.

5.  A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use the of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.

6.  A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right is allegedly infringed.

You have not provided all of the information required above.  If you are able to provide the missing information, please submit an appropriate notification meeting all of the above requirements to Lycos Inc.'s registered agent for receiving such notifications:

Registered Copyright Agent
Lycos Inc.
Email Address:  copyright@lycos-inc.com

Upon receipt of a proper notification, Lycos Inc. will respond expeditiously to remove or disable access to the materials properly identified in the notification.  Lycos Inc. will provide a copy of the notification to the subscriber and give the subscriber an opportunity to respond.

This letter is written without prejudice to any right, remedy, or defense that Lycos Inc. may have which has not been asserted in this letter.  All such rights, remedies, and defenses are expressly reserved.If you have any questions about this letter, please do not hesitate to contact Lycos Inc's registered agent.  For legal advice, you should consult an attorney.

Sincerely,
Bryan



I know it seems like a lot of work, but it's not bad.  Here is a pretty good link if you'd like to look up further information on the DMCA mentioned above:
http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/dmca.html

I hope this helps Floria.  

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34 posted 2002-02-09 10:58 AM


all I can say is that now, once a person's name is on their work, it is as binding as a legal copyright, if someone uses a piece of writing and puts their name to it, when it is in fact someone elses, that is plagiarism

perhaps there is a phrase in your work that is the same as someone else has used

it seems to me that it would be very difficult not to come up with a phrase that has been thought and written by someone else

even though I know I've run across lines that I so wish I had thought of myself, first

is this someone going beyond the 'accusatory finger' with his/her complaint?

Whether on the shoal or on the shore,
I'll seek the lighthouse evermore.

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35 posted 2002-02-09 11:27 AM


Well, the burden of proof is on them. You have recorded dates of posting, and if you use Microsoft Word to create your documents, you have a date and time stamp written right into the document (look under File/Properties/Statistics). Let them provide the same proof and don't worry about it! ((hugs))

Just a note: Unless there is money to be realized from the publishing of the poem, the matter is mute anyway. Check the archives of this board and that one, make copies and email them to this webmistress, they have no rights under the law to do anything to you without concrete proof and evidence. So please don't fret!

[This message has been edited by PearlsB4Swine (02-09-2002 11:36 AM).]

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36 posted 2002-02-09 02:01 PM


I'm so sorry to hear this Floria! I used to post at 3 sites but I stopped because of poem theives. I hope all works out for you, we all stand behind you. I know you would never do such a thing because you are always asking for critique! Someone who asks for critique really wants to better themself not plaigerize. I believe in you Floria (hugs)
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37 posted 2002-02-09 04:08 PM


Wow, where do I start? I don't want to leave anyone out, but I can't answer all. SO A BIG HUG AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU MY FRIENDS I AM SO VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT....Kit, you have done so much work for me. I am printing this all out and absorbing it, should I need it. ((( hugs))) and thank you, It is very hurtful to go through this. Now I am in limbo, The woman who wrote to the webmistress is JOLENE, I demanded from the webmistress to know the accuser, and I also have her email address, so  it is not the site that accuses, but the woman who is accusing me, and of course the site webmistress is in a pickle, and she may have to pull my poem. I dont care about that...I have written several emails to this Jolene asking her what lead her to accuse me, since it most certainly is my poem. every single word, dot and comma on the page. It is mine.. and she has not answered.....I just cannot figure this out..The webmistress is standing by waiting for word....what a mess... and why me?  thanks so very very much to all of you, I will keep you posted, and if you are curious, here is the site, but remember, it is not the site that is accusing me, It is an unknown individual who seems to have gone into hiding.  floria My poem is posted under Romance,, "Daydreams"
http://www.silentwords.com/

Floria

"Alas for those that never sing,
But die with all their music in them"
(Oliver Wendell Holmes)

[This message has been edited by strbbux (02-09-2002 04:09 PM).]

Suetang
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38 posted 2002-02-09 04:10 PM


Hello Floria

A similar thing happened to me, although not quite as bad as what you've been going through. I posted one of my poems at a different site, using a different pen name and I had someone email me, telling me that they read my poem elsewhere and that someone had plagiarised my poem.  I wrote back saying that I was that person and you should have seen the comments after I posted that.  They told this girl to get her facts straight before she went on accusing someone and to mind her own business! I believe that this person you received the email from is just a trouble maker and jealous of your talent.  I hope it all works out for you Floria and my thoughts are with you.  Your poem is beautiful by the way.

Take care.......Sue

Suetang

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39 posted 2002-02-09 04:35 PM


Floria - This poem is so very good.  Being accused of plaigerism has never happened to me, but I have heard of other people doing it occasionally on line.  I'm sorry to hear this happened to you, but you can take solace in the fact that you know and everyone here knows that you would never do such a thing.  And that these words truly came from your heart.  

Dave  

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40 posted 2002-02-09 06:27 PM


floria,
See...now there is where you and I disagree. This poem is worth caring about! Well done. And let me at 'em. Never thought I'd say "I wish I was a lawyer." But if I were...you and I would be all over this one! Just hang in there. Those people are not worth that kind of stress. However, your reputation and poem are worth fighting for. So you go girl (I'm right behind you!). By the way, think you have enough character witnesses? LOL

strbbux
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41 posted 2002-02-10 10:42 AM


I finally got somewhat of an answer, here it is, and thanks to all of you,, No need to reply as you have all been so wonderful...thanks so very much, now if only my writing ability will return as I have not been able to write with all the stress this woman caused me. thanks to all. and all my love to you my friends. floria


Date: 2/10/2002 1:46:28 AM Central Standard Time
From: JOLENE814
To: Snnipp7

Floria
I appologize for the false accusation.  Obviously if you are the one who has proof of copywrite then you should be acknowledged as the true writer.  As I told Nan, I'am currently sorting through my files of poetry that I have collected from other sites online and once I find the poem I was refering to as the duplicate of "Daydreams" I will immediately foward you a copy of both the poem and the name of the person claiming to have written it.

Jolene

Floria

"Alas for those that never sing,
But die with all their music in them"
(Oliver Wendell Holmes)

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