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wornways
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0 posted 2001-11-08 08:01 AM


Waning

Steadily their spirits fade in decay dying;
In dull forlorn amaze I watch each stray dying.

Gradually crushed beneath the load of worldly strife,
Bereft of hope I see them day by day dying.

With great weight in my chest I hear their hearts crying
As lost they walk distressed in disarray dying.

Instead of strive for deeper vibrancy of life,
They let passions bedim and waste away dying.

Peak of living should be gained exultant sighing
In the end when imminent is our clay dying.

Zahaar, may you bright shine utmost in spirit rife
When your fallen form in final breath lay dying.

© Copyright 2001 Erin A. Thomas - All Rights Reserved
The Lady of Shallot
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1 posted 2001-11-08 10:26 AM


I loved your critique message, I always respond when moved to do so!  And the form?
well, let me say this. I always feel that when rhyming one should strive for perfection. In this poem, the word "dying" was used too much I think and it lost its meaning somewhere through the piece. I didn't have a clear picture of what it really meant.  One thing I feel in poetry that really draws the reader into it is letting the nouns and verbs do the work. Make your sentences as sharp as steel with as few words as possible. No, nothing against long poems, not at all, but sometimes repetition takes away from the meaning of the piece.

I sure hope this makes sense.

Keep writing!

-befriend yourself and you will never be alone-

wornways
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2 posted 2001-11-08 03:52 PM


lady of shallot, yes the word 'dying' is used a lot. this is the nature of the ghazal. following is some information about what makes a ghazal a ghazal:

  what's a ghazal?

  so far as i understand, it is a form of poetry born of ancient
persia. the first known ghazals are in excess of a few thousand
years old. this style has been around a while.

  modern ghazals don't normally include all the elements of the
traditional ghazal. after ticking off what makes a ghazal a
traditional ghazal, i'll point out the elements that are usually
present in a modern ghazal.

  1) refrain repeated in line's one and two for the first
     couplet

  2) second lines of every couplet end in the refrain

  3) refrain may be a word or phrase

  4) first and second lines of each couplet together complete
     a thought, but are each themselves independant thoughts.
     hence, a natural pause should occur at the end of the
     first line in the completion of the first half of the
     whole thought

  5) each couplet stands alone as a complete poem. the idea is
     to make the ghazal like a pearl neckless, the necklace as
     a whole is striking, but each pearl may stand alone in its
     own beauty and completion of expression

  6) every line throughout the poem uses the same sylabol
     count, or meter

  7) the first line of each couplet beyond the first couplet
     does not 'require' end rhyme with either the second line
     or first lines from other couplets

  8) rhyme occurs on the sylabol before each refrain between
     couplets and in both lines of the first couplet ... so if
     there are 15 couplets, there is one rhyme throughout the
     15, this can get interesting.

  9) to be a ghazal, the poem must contain between 5 and 15
     couplets

10) the poet uses an alias to refer to in the first, second or
     third person in the final couplet as a sort of 'signature'.
     this alias may be the name of the poet or a psuedonym --
     this is called the 'signature couplet'. traditional ghazals
     often use this couplet to open dialouge back to the writer
     of the ghazal ... so, the poet talks to her/him self. also,
     as there was no library of congress in ancient times, the
     signature couplet itself identified the poet


  this identifies the elements in a traditional ghazal. in modern
ghazals, only the elements 5, 6, 7 and 9 are required. modern
ghazals often do not make use of the refrain, or any rhyming
scheme, but do tend to adhere to a sylabol count that is consistent
between lines throughout the poem.


  well, this is the result of my research when i went to find
out what i could. i've consulted with a plethora of sources and
scratched out some of the inconsistencies in information. the
above should be precisely the form for a traditional ghazal as
can be written in english.


  hope you find this information useful.


Sunshine
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3 posted 2001-11-08 04:20 PM



Having read the form, then re-reading the poem, now takes it to a whole new level.

I think I'm going to enjoy your work...

rwood
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4 posted 2001-11-09 07:12 AM


Clearly an educated rhyme...that I had no idea of until you shed light  ...Thank you for doing so. You word usage is marvelous and the flow..even with repetition
seeks the importance of the word (dying)...until I read your explanation...not knowing of that form...I was unable to connect as thoroughly.
A new moment in verse for me..which I'm always thrilled about.

Sincerely,
Regina

It's all in the mind
Except for what's in the heart.
http://www.mygem.net/heartquill

Kit McCallum
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5 posted 2001-11-09 07:18 AM


Oh my ... a wonderfully flowing poem, and an indepth response on form to get this mind working this morning. Very much enjoyed this post Wornways, thank you for the great information, and for the lovely read!  

Best wishes,
/Kit

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