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Jaime Fradera
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Where no tyranny is tolerable

0 posted 2001-08-31 12:28 PM


Somewhere over the western Pacific,
at noon, mean solar time,
the fierce tropical Sun
recrossed the equator.
No one was there
or saw it happen,
only the open ocean
and the sky.
For a day both hemispheres
would equally be lit.
For a day
both Dark and Light
would last the same ...
but only for a day.
Then the planet kept on tilting
in the way that it was headed,
before, perhaps,
realizing its mistake,
tilting back into position
in the spring,
though forever overdoing it,
always wobbling,
this way and that.

The moons and planets
are also swinging in their circles,
Rocking and dancing,
back and forth,
along their cosmic traces;
just as they have
in the several billion years
since their formation,
just as they will
for millions of years more,
til the Sun burns out its nuclear core,
swells in a final crimson burst
of heat and Light,
before at last collapsing on itself,
leaving, in its fiery wake,
the cold eternal blackness
of interstellar Night.

Ethome, what do you know of how old evolved stars die?
Is the above description accurate?

Jaime

All that you are seeking is also seeking you

© Copyright 2001 The Sun - All Rights Reserved
Paula Finn
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missouri
1 posted 2001-08-31 12:43 PM


Jaime...you constantly amaze me dear one...your talent grows with each new poem
Midnitesun
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Gaia
2 posted 2001-08-31 03:09 AM


Throughout time and space
most of the human race
has gazed at celestial sights
and wondered about the northern lights
and the summer solstice
and the gravitational pull
of the Sun.
And still we gaze and wonder.
But my heart knows the brightest
stars are shining over Colorado skies,
where the heart of Jaime lies
patiently awaiting the gravitational pull
of the soul of the wandering stargazer
whose elliptical orbit is now in perigee.

  

JamesMichael
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Kapolei, Hawaii, USA
3 posted 2001-08-31 03:31 AM


This is excellent...enjoyed...James
ethome
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New Brunswick Canada
4 posted 2001-08-31 06:02 AM


Hi Jaime great creative writing here......You certainly are using the old noggin to come up with such a theoretical description! I was suprised to see my name mentioned so I have this to relay to you......
  All the individual stars you see are in the Milky Way galaxy. Until the 1920's, that seemed to be the only galaxy. You probably know though, that observations with larger telescopes have proved otherwise. Our universe contains at least 50,000,000,000 galaxies. I don't mean 50 billion stars - but at least 50 billion galaxies, each with billions of stars like our sun. Yet it was not the staggering amount of huge galaxies that shook scientific beliefs in the 1920's. It was that they are all in motion.
  Astronomers discovered a remarkable fact. When galactic light was pased through a prism, the light waves were seen to be stretched, indicating motion away from us at great speed. The more distant a galaxy, the faster it appeared to be receding. That points to an expanding universe!
In 1955 scientists noticed the behaviour of the most distant star (SN 1995K) ever observed as it exploded in its galaxy. Like supernovas in nearby galaxies, this star became very bright and then slowly faded but over a longer period of time than ever before detected. 'New Science Magazine' plotted this on a graph and explained, "The shape of the light curve....is stretched in time by exactly the amount expected if the galaxy was receding from us at nearly half the speed of light." The conclusion? This is "the best evidence yet that the Universe really is expanding." This evidence is still supported by scientists today!
  Even if we are neither professional astronomers nor amateurs, we can see that an expanding universe would have profound implications about our past - and perhaps our personal future too. Something must have started the process - a force powerful enough to overcome the immense gravity of the entire universe. I have good reason to ask...What could be the source of such dynamic energy?
  Although scientists trace the universe back to a very small intense beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue. "If at some point in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely small size and definite density, we have to ask what was there before and what was outside the Universe.....We have to face the problem of a beginning." - Sir Bernard Lovell.
  This implies more than just a source of vast energy. Foresight and intelligence are also needed because the rate of expansion is very finely tuned. "If the Universe had expanded one million millionth part faster," said Lovell, "then all the material in the Universe would have dispersed by now...And if it had been a million millionth of a part slower, then the gravitational forces would have caused the Universe to collapse within the first thousand years or so of existence. Again, there would have been no long lived stars and no life."
  Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists, uncomfortable with the idea that the Universe was created by a higher intelligence speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out of nothing. Such speculations,  are usually within some variations of a theory (inflationary universe model) concieved in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet more recently, Dr Guth admitted that his theory, " does not explain how the universe arose from nothing." Dr Andrei Linde was more explicit in a 'Scientific American' article: "Explaining this initial singularity - where and when it all began - still remains the most intractable problem of modern cosmology."
  So Jaime if the older stars are dying then it remains beyond the knowledge of recent science to explain how that is possible.
  Robert Jastrow, professor of Astronomy and Geology at Columbia university, wrote: "Few astronomers could have anticipated that this event - the sudden birth of the Universe - would become a proven scientific fact, but observations of the heavens through telescopes have forced them to that comclusion."
He then commented on the implications: "The astronomical proof of a beginning places scientists in an awkward position, for they believe that every effect has a natural cause....The British astronomer E.A. Milne wrote, "We can make no propositions about the state of affairs in the beginning. in the divine act of creation God is unobserved and unwitnessed." -'The Enchanted London - Mind In THe Universe."

So when we get into using the word evolved then I have a problem. It's also very easy to create a theory and write ideas into a book. The whole world is endorsing the idea of the big bang theory but there is absolutely no proof that that is how man came into existence. The media likes to call it a fact because that makes it easier for them to appeal to every audience available. The FACT is and the argument continues, that true modern science still supports the reasoning that evolution is still just a theory! Even the evolutionists can't agree amoung themselves as each individually strives to gain acclaim for their own theories. Often they become involved in heated arguments and at an international meeting of world evolutionists in Brussels in the late 80's they spit at each other across a discussion table. Professional jealousy at its best!

I have my own beliefs. I believe that there was a supreme, powerful, intelligent, organized, majestic force, that created the universe and consequently us!

But I sure love the way your mind works my dear poet friend!

[This message has been edited by ethome (edited 08-31-2001).]

Paula Finn
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missouri
5 posted 2001-08-31 11:39 PM


Oh Eric...Jaime is gonna love this  
Sunshine
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6 posted 2001-08-31 11:51 PM



Paula, PLEASE let Jaime know that I simply was enchanted by both his ying and yang of the universes and all of their Suns, as well as Ethome's response....

Exceptionally so!

SmittenKitten
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since 2001-06-20
Posts 1131
where the sky and horizon meet
7 posted 2001-09-01 12:58 PM


Wow...Jaime, what a thought-provoking write.  Simply lovely!    And Ethome!  My my!  That was quite the reply.  What interesting conclusions....there is certainly a lot to ponder there!

Loved it!
~Krista  

"Poetry and Hums aren't things which you get, they're things which get you.
And all you can do is to go where they can find you."
~Winnie the Pooh

citizenx
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since 2001-07-31
Posts 189
motorcade
8 posted 2001-09-02 05:50 AM


Jaimie, beautiful image you have created.

"the blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold and it has overturned
the order of the soul" leonard cohen

Sven
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9 posted 2001-09-04 07:08 PM


superbly done. . . I know that it must happen like this now. . . you have told it so well. . .

excellent!!!  

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Nan
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10 posted 2001-09-06 08:34 AM


Thank you, Jaime, for your wonderfully worded celestial dance... It is indeed a syncronized waltz in a universe of stellar dancers... Nicely done...
Midnitesun
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11 posted 2001-10-20 03:14 AM


I liked this one so much, I want to bump it up for anyone who may have missed it the first time around.   for Jaime
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