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peppermint35
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0 posted 2000-11-17 12:46 PM


Note:  I'm going to try; tell me if these are right or wrong...

Reflecting in nature
Water laughing as it flows
Surrounded by joy, I am joy too


Surrounded by immensity
Feeling small, alone and lost
A star is small but very bright
                      


Pepper
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SEA
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1 posted 2000-11-17 01:15 PM


P35~ I'm just getting the hang of these myself, so I'm really no help......I thought they were beautiful though....... -SEA
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2 posted 2000-11-17 01:42 PM


very beautiful pepper..just shorten the lines to syllables of 5-7-5 thats all..and you will have a haiku..since you asked haa..

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peppermint35
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3 posted 2000-11-17 04:06 PM


Thank you SEA

Thanks Victoria.....I did want to know

Pepper
"A poem is the very image of life expressed in its eternal truth."
Percy Bysshe Shelley

kaile
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4 posted 2000-11-18 09:36 AM


peppermint,

not exactly haiku but i thought these are very good thoughts..esp enjoyed the first one

dont fret..keep working on it and im sure you will write lots and lots of haiku!!!

good luck,fellow haikuist


VAS
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5 posted 2000-11-18 11:51 AM


There's a place on the web, but I forget the address, that gives the history and many parameters to Haiku.  Probably if you did a search you'd get there.  A word of warning though...I used to do a lot of haiku, but after reading all the stuff there, I gave up.  Too many 'strictions.  It blew my mind.  I always went for the 5,7,5 about nature or human nature.  That was enough 'rules' for me.  That doesn't mean a person with greater desire to succeed at haiku won't make it, I'm sure.

I like the subjects of these pieces and the images they invoke.

Beki
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6 posted 2000-11-18 03:14 PM


weeelll..haiku is my particular specialty and the first thing that comes to mind is that these are too long. The traditional form is 5-7-5 as stated above, but there is a whole school of thought that thinks even those are too long...because of the difference in our languages 17 syllables in Japanese would be more like 13-14 in English. So while a haiku can be shorter than 17 syllables it is never longer.
The second thing that comes to mind is that a haiku always exists in the here and now, THIS moment, a moment that happens (snap your fingers....) THAT fast, like a verbal photograph. Traditionally the first two lines provide an observation while the last, which is also a kind of turn away from the first two...gives a discovery or bit of wisdom that is the result of the observation.

Also, in haiku every syllable must be absolutely necessary to the poem, so "ing" endings are used as little as possible. Likewise repeating a word is avoided. A possible rewrite for your first haiku might be:

laughing water flows,
reflects nature's joyful song -
I sing along.

that is just off the top of my head and I could do better with more time but this is your poem...I just wanted you to see the differencees I speak of...a possible rewrite for your second...

I feel alone, small
within life's immensity -
stars are small, but bright.

this is not great, but again you can see what I mean. Another thing to remember is that haiku seeks to discover the nature of the universe, while senyru, which has the same form and only differs in theme, seeks to discover the nature of man. Gosh I guess I have thrown enough at you for now...would be glad to help more if you'd like. In the meantime visit my website, www.room1401.com/beki  all  20 haiku there have been published  
                      




[This message has been edited by Beki (edited 11-19-2000).]

kaile
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7 posted 2000-11-22 09:59 PM


enjoyed the expert advice, Beki...bumping this up so that others may read

dont fret, pepper, you have very nice thoughts and im sure haiku will be no problem to you at all ...

regards

Kethry
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8 posted 2000-11-23 08:10 AM


Pepper,
not haiku's but lovely anyway.BTW if you can do haiku's you earn my undying admiration.
write on
Kethry


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Butterflies_dont_cry
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9 posted 2000-11-23 08:24 AM


I am just to wordy for Haiku's...lol but
this was a beautiful attempt and I'm sure
you will have these little gems mastered in
no time Pepper! Excellent writing
though..the form will come in practice and
time and until then...we'll enjoy what flows
from your pen!!


Mark Bohannan
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10 posted 2000-11-23 09:39 AM


Whether they hit the 5-7-5 format or not, the verses were beautiful and now that you know the rules I will personally be looking forward to seeing the one that you bring to us.  Lovely images my friend and so nice to see you stretching to grow in your poetry.  
OLIAS
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11 posted 2000-11-23 11:12 AM


Excellent read, and very wise words
Surrounded by immensity
Feeling small, alone and lost
A star is small but very bright
I enjoyed, Thank you.
Regards,
Olias.

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