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snuffy
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0 posted 05-30-2000 11:39 PM       View Profile for snuffy   Email snuffy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for snuffy

"But ou are playing God!!" shrieked the moral woman.

"Did your God pity the people who were struck with the black plague, or with the million people who get cholera, and die from it yearly?  
Where is his mercy!?
Did he care?
Did he show himself to comfort us??
No.
I dont think so.
Who erradicated small pox off the face of this earth, saving the lives of millions of people?  Who?!
God?!
I dont think so..
It was the scientists.
It was us humans.
It was the same people you are condeming today.
Now, tell me who is more God-like?
Your God, or human beings with hearts???"

© Copyright 2000 snuffy - All Rights Reserved
Dawn Eclipse
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1 posted 05-31-2000 04:43 PM       View Profile for Dawn Eclipse   Email Dawn Eclipse   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dawn Eclipse

That is a very good view of the difference between science and religion.  

1 quick thing though, your first line..."But ou are playing God!!"  should be "But You are playing God!!"  You forgot the "y"     

I recently did some research about a man that thought the same thing.  I'm not too sure on what religion is right now, but could it not be that God shows himself through his people with caring hearts?  Just a thought.  

All in all, wonderful poem!  I enjoyed this very much!

 "Even a fool knows you can't touch the stars, but it doesn't stop a wise man from trying."
Harry Anderson, "Night Court"

*Cassandra Roseen*
Jana Tovey
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2 posted 05-31-2000 06:48 PM       View Profile for Jana Tovey   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jana Tovey

I agree with the sentiments that you express in this poem and I like the way you present them.  I'm tired of all the religous remarks I hear on a daily basis...similar to the ones you just made...good things come from God.  All the bad stuff comes from the Devil.  Get real!  
snuffy
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3 posted 06-04-2000 12:05 AM       View Profile for snuffy   Email snuffy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for snuffy

Thanks guys for the positive comments, and yeah, I forgot the y, kheekheee....


Well, I used to be religious, but now I think that religion is more destructive than constructive, thus I dont belong to any, and in a way, belong to all!     
Peace!
Alle'cram
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4 posted 06-04-2000 06:13 AM       View Profile for Alle'cram   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alle'cram

snuffy; "Now, tell me who is more God-like?
Your God, or human beings with hearts???"

I would like to step forward and say, my God, your God, the one and only God. The God who created human beings with hearts. The God who created the heavens and the earth. The same God who extends love and kindness to those who do not know Him; therefore, He must be bad? Nay, He is real. He is love. I expect emotions from those who doesn't know Him, to place blaim on Him for all bad things. Should this be? Nay, He is all things good. Fearing God, would be a good emotion for those believing He is a Supreme Being, yet curse His name without shame.

God is love and if you or I were the only two people on earth, He still would have fulfilled prophecy, sending His only son to die on the cross, that you and I could choose His saving grace. He doesn't mandate anything, stead He yields to free will, given from Him, to you and me. So sorry I had to write this, please forgive me for the anger this will stir up in you. Be mad at me, not Him. Say things about me, not Him, for it is I who types this to you, not Him.
brian madden
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5 posted 06-04-2000 06:38 AM       View Profile for brian madden   Email brian madden   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for brian madden

To look at this from a certain persecptive, calling a man an animal on this planet. Yes "God" /nature created viruses and bacteria, but as a means of controlling the population. The earth has its ways of keeping every thing in check, making sure that there is a harmony. But man has advanced, changed things man's dance with science and way of life is to blame for these new viruses. Not God. I mean if God had to come to Earth everytime we screwed up we might as well just flood the place and begin again which he supposely did.
anyway that is my thought on the thing.

enjoyed the poem, got me thinking. I think that you should submit it in question form to philosophy 101.
          

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"I've been too honest with myself I should have lied like everybody else"-Richey Edwards

"Take nothing but pictures. Leave nothing but footprints. Kill nothing but time".

Baltimore Grotto

"Libraries gave us power
Then work came and made us free
What price now for a shallow piece of dignity"
Nicky Wire, A design for Life.

manic street preachers
"Rock 'n' roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair"
snuffy
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6 posted 06-04-2000 12:12 PM       View Profile for snuffy   Email snuffy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for snuffy

Thanks for your replies, I always appreciate it!

Dawn Eclipse, you said "God shows himself through his people with caring hearts?"  I didnt totally understand what you were telling me, but did you mean to say that he only shows himself to people with caring hearts?  If so, then I think that would be a bit too judgemental...who are we to say who is caring enough or not, to be able to see the light?  And God loves everyone, isnt that the basis of most reliogions?  And so, God cant be picky....

Jana, yeah, me too, and tired of people seeing me as an abomination, since I dont believe in what they believe in!!!!
But, let me just tell you what made me write this.  I wrote it a few months ago, while reading an article on cloning, and how we shouldnt be cloning, cause then we are playing God.  Im not against cloning, or with it, but it just made me think that really, science has given us so much, and we live a better life because of that.  We live longer, so we get to see our grandchildren play in the garden; we dont die from getting a small infection; we cure diseases (oh, and Brain and Alle'cram, I am not blaming God for giving the disease, but just giving credit to us humans, who have evolved on our own, and not to God, for offering us a better standard of living).  
I dont want this to be too long, so I will just end this soon.  U know Brain, when you told me abut Philosophy 101, I thought you were joking, but it is a forum of discussion...heehee...I just checked it out, thanks a lot!!  I appreciate that!
Okay, I shall sign off now, but one last thought to share with u...... man made God, and not the other way round

BYE!
Jana Tovey
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7 posted 06-04-2000 12:16 PM       View Profile for Jana Tovey   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jana Tovey

Famous last words.  May I borrow them?
snuffy
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8 posted 06-04-2000 04:13 PM       View Profile for snuffy   Email snuffy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for snuffy

heehee, jana...
I dont know who said that, but I am sure I heard it said somewhere.....
brian madden
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9 posted 06-04-2000 04:33 PM       View Profile for brian madden   Email brian madden   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for brian madden

Hi snuffy is this the quote you heard,

"On the sixth day God created man. On the seventh day, man returned the favor".

by the way in case anyone is interested I get all my quotes from the web site generation terrorists (which is also the name of the manic street preachers first album, each of their releases has famous quotes on the inlay card).
http://www.generationterrorists.com/




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"I've been too honest with myself I should have lied like everybody else"-Richey Edwards

"Take nothing but pictures. Leave nothing but footprints. Kill nothing but time".

Baltimore Grotto

"Libraries gave us power
Then work came and made us free
What price now for a shallow piece of dignity"
Nicky Wire, A design for Life.

manic street preachers
"Rock 'n' roll is our epiphany
Culture, alienation, boredom and despair"
Slashed soul
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since 03-29-2000
Posts 92
England


10 posted 06-04-2000 05:02 PM       View Profile for Slashed soul   Email Slashed soul   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Slashed soul

mmm....Well I must add my tuppence worth (as we say in the uk)..blah..

I agree man made god, and religion is man made to guide us infedels into some sort of order- without it we have chaos. A tool for control- fear of the unknown.

Religion has killed many, for what?

I believe in myself!

(when times are hard I look to ***)lol

)

-Rich-
Slashed god like Soul!
 
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