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hsystems
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0 posted 2000-04-26 01:24 PM


To paraphrase an old saying, "Those who can, do.  Those who can't, criticize."

          War of Words

They say that you are "published" - an accomplishment, it's true!
But, so am I - and many more - with zero "help" from you.
Yet, you alone have felt the need to criticize our verse.
Without regard for human hearts, our words you blithely curse.
"Perhaps you could rephrase this..." or, "This part could use some work..."
These comments leave you sounding like an egocentric jerk.
Perhaps you never took the time to learn life's "golden rules" -
You know: "be kind to others," and "don't pee in the pool."
O.P. is where poetic souls can spread our wings and fly,
And critics are unwelcome as a snowstorm in July.
And so, when next you feel compelled, your critic's views to air,
Just take them to C.A. post haste -
They will be welcomed, there.  


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Parker
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1 posted 2000-04-26 01:56 PM


Sounds like you've be "bboog'd"

I do agree open is not Critical Analysis.
I think he does mean well, but I'm sure it gets under the skin.
Does this mean its time to criticize the critic. I'm sure he would love that.
Maybe criticise his criticism's would be better.

hsystems
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2 posted 2000-04-26 02:12 PM


Haleyja - I am criticizing the criticisms, not bboog personally.  I am just one of many who has felt the sting of his thoughtless comments.  Everyone else is savvy enough to figure out that if you like a poem, you post positive comments - and if you don't like it, you move on to the next one without responding to it.  He needs to know that criticism is not welcome in this forum, and that we will not stand for it.


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Denise
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3 posted 2000-04-26 02:31 PM


Ah, Troy, but shouldn't constructive criticism of our work be received in the spirit that it was intended. We may like it or discount it, that is our option but I don't think it has ever been 'unwelcome' in Open, (at least it wasn't in the past) as long as it is done in a courteous manner. Bob has critiqued a few of mine as well. Some suggestions I found useful, some I didn't. He has never been discourteous with his critiques and to me that is what matters. I know many are annoyed with it and that is their right. I would just like to clear up the misconception that Bob is in some way breaking one of the rules of this forum by offering his opinion. He is not. I'd also like to add that I think you are both wonderful poets.

Denise    

hsystems
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4 posted 2000-04-26 02:43 PM


Denise - thank you for your comments!  Those of us who wish to have our poems criticized know that Critical Analysis is the place to post them.  Open Poetry should be a safe place where we can share our emotions without  fear of censure.  Unless we ask either specifically or implicitly (by posting in C.A., for example,) we as the creators of our poems are the only ones who have the right to criticize the creations.  No-one is qualified to judge another's poetic expression, as poetry is a very personal thing.  I'm not advising him to stop criticizing completely - just to keep it in C.A., where it belongs!  His poetry is welcome in OP, but his critiques are not!


Troy

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Parker
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5 posted 2000-04-26 02:53 PM


Well, before this gets out of hand. One thing we don't need in open is more tension. Its very true, we post here to have our poetry read on its meaning and not its technical merit.
Critical Analysis is the main place for that.
We pour our soul, our heart and our tears into open. To get feedback on a human level, for the human experience. This is what we want in Open.......
Suggestions for changes on how we relate these emotions, tell us that the reader does not see the meaning only the words, or see's both but chooses to ignor the meaning.
Does this show a lack of humanness, or just an inability to get out of the teacher mode.
But not to let this get out of hand, I do believe those criticism's are well meaning just placed in the wrong forum.
So lets keep this in the spirit of the forum, a friendly place, Our Family of Friends

Parker

hsystems
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6 posted 2000-04-26 03:11 PM


Okay, Parker - you win.  Apparently, you feel that the tension this post has caused is greater than the tension created by bboog's criticisms.  So, I bow to your opinion.  I have posted a retraction, and I will close this thread to further responses, if I can figure out how...


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hsystems
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7 posted 2000-04-26 03:16 PM


Well, I guess only moderators and administrators can close topics.  I sent a request to Nan to close this when she gets online.  If another staff member sees this first, please close this topic to further responses.  Concedo

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Marina
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8 posted 2000-04-26 03:46 PM


If I may say my 2 cents worth ( and it may be worth less)however, I think perhaps what Parker is saying that nobody would like to see this issue get blown out of proportion like other things have been in the past.  I believe you do have a valid point and I totaly understand where you are coming from.  I also understand where Denise is coming from.  I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer here, just a matter of different opinions.  So as long as we can respect each other and not allow this to become an "issue" in open 7, I don't see why you should close it Troy.
Just my opinion though.

Marina

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9 posted 2000-04-26 03:57 PM


Troy~
Before this thread gets closed ...
I understand your points COMPLETELY ..
Thank you for having the heart and the
respect to defend others feelings.

I also concur with the generally accepted
practice of confining critiques to
Critical Analysis Forum.  I thought it was brilliant of Ron to create that forum with that very purpose in mind.

Just my opinion mind you.  

Thank you.
~*Marge*~



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Parker
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10 posted 2000-04-26 04:22 PM


hsystems, I think you miss-understand, when it comes to the criticism's in open, I'm with you on that, 100 percent. I've been very annoyed at them when I've seen them in other peoples poems, and do feel that they are Ill placed in open.
I would rather this thread remain open and get opinions from those affected.
I don't think we should give free license to anybody for that purpose in open.
Don't retract anything, your feelings on this topic are vary valid, I was just concerned with the forum of late.
We should be able to run this thread in a civilized manner... I think and hope.

I'd prefer the retraction be closed befor this.

Parker


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11 posted 2000-04-26 04:39 PM


Or, in the alternative, take it to "The Alley" where everyone can get on the bandwagon...Nan?

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12 posted 2000-04-26 04:44 PM


Well, I do agree with closing it, I'm afraid. Your point has been made and I see no reason to make it a feeding spot for further discussion. Marina, the poets of Open 7 have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that an issue can be made out of ANYTHING.
Funny, I was actually the first person who spoke in poetic form criticizing the critic. I felt I was right in doing so and I feel your thoughts are also correct concerning where critique should take place. I have, however, also taken the time to "check out" Mr. bboog in a way, by his site and examining how he words his replies to those he responds to and, although I understand that Open 7 is not the correct place, I do say that he has done it with class and respect and without rancor, not as a rabble-rouser but as someone who has genuinely tried to help. Therefore to critique the critique and not the critic is the appripriate thing which you have done in good taste so let's move on, shall we? Thank you all for conducting your replies in a gentleman(woman)ly fashion.

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