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allan
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0 posted 2003-02-14 12:44 PM


We are the Trans-global bullies
We'll beat you to a pulp
We have the means to do it
You have no earthly hope

We're coming to smash your faces
We'll tear you limb from limb
We're coming to spill your blood
Your chances are so slim

See the troops the bombs the missiles
We have the very best
We will certainly crush you
We are the mighty West

But we as bullies so often seen
Don't attack the strong
North Korea we leave alone
This is truly very wrong

Do you think we're strong and brave?
Do you think we're noble?
Well look again my warlike friend
This conflict will go global

And then you'll see our true face
We're not so democratic
You'll see the bully underneath
Airbrained and autocratic

Some sad men admire a bully
They are weak and feeble-minded
They think some strength will pass to them
But are rightfully derided

The Bush-Ape wants his pound of flesh
They called him weak and foolish
He'll make the vulnerable pay and pay
With a vengeance sick and ghoulish

These men of clay have no pride
They live on others' frailty
The bully is so sad inside
It all comes out in cruelty

While we watch his ugly face
Remember well his name
In bloodstained sand he will stand
This Bush. This Pig. This Shame.


[This message has been edited by allan (02-14-2003 01:15 PM).]

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1 posted 2003-02-14 01:12 PM


allan - you certainly are on the soap box to-day! Have you written your government rep? I am not sure how it works in America, as I am Canadian, but you shouldn't let your thoughts go unheard. Chris

"Hope" is the thing with feathers-
that perches in the soul....
                  
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allan
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2 posted 2003-02-14 01:26 PM


LOL! Yes, I'm trying Chris, I'm trying! Tomorrow I will be giving my tonsils a real work-out when we march on the Labour Party Conference here in East Texas, er, um.. the U.K. (52nd State status awaited!).

Mr Poodle-Blair is going to get his ears opened with our "Jericho Rumpus".

There is an excellent site where you can see exactly what we think of the Bush-Blair love-affair...

http://www.gagarama.de/bush-praesident-specials/george-w-bush.htm

CIA Clone: "I think the Germans may be ahead of us in this technology Mr Bush! Shall we retarget the Nukes?"

Bush: "Nah, that gets me real horny. I LIKE it!"

((((((((((((((((((( NO BLOOD FOR OIL - NO WAR FOR PEACE )))))))))))))))))))))

[This message has been edited by allan (02-14-2003 06:33 PM).]

ellie LeJeune
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3 posted 2003-02-15 06:57 AM


My son is a 2nd LT in Kuwait. So just guess how i feel about all this mess...Ellie

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SPIRIT
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4 posted 2003-02-15 09:56 AM


You write - I read even though I am not even near a 100% at your side I like the fact that you obviously have passion for your course and that you have maintained it steadfastly for so many years.  That I admire - you do not vacillate. Like I said before, not into debating, just wanted to step in here and say Good Morning and have a great day doing your thing.

I be me BUT who does me be?

allan
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5 posted 2003-02-15 06:01 PM


Thank you SPIRIT. If you have some access to unbiased information in your media you will be seeing the millions in Europe who marched today for peace. We loathe George W. Bush and all he stands for. As far as we can see he epitomises the worst of America. We see him as the focus of alll the selfish arrogant holier than thou patronising bullying low-browed violence in your society. We fear and despise him as the ruthless face of ignorant and arrogant power. There are two paths from here - one leads to hell. We wont be led down that path at all and certainly not by someone of the bought and paid for by oil barons.

I understand you have another point of view but please understand us - we are aware of the issues and we are aware of the issue and we too see this clearly and what we see shocks us and makes us incredibly angry. We are beginning to hate everything America stands for and each passing day of Bush's arrogance makes us more sure your country will NEVER AGAIN be trusted.

I'm sorry because there are so many wonderful wonderful people in your country but I wonder when you will start to see what we see...? I hope soon before it is too late...

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6 posted 2003-02-15 09:04 PM


Vehemently vented poetically ~

Not all 'we' agree ...~

I personally support my president and his staff in decisions being made.

Have a wonderful life and keep penning~

*Huglets*
~*Marge*~

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7 posted 2003-02-15 10:19 PM


Well said allan, though not sustained.

I am an old "Christian Soldier" (medic), if they were to call me up I would go, for as a patriot I am behind this effort, and have not forgotten that for me at least, it is about "Two Towers" and the lost souls of my countrymen therein. These senseless killings should not go unpunished, any more than a single death does under the present law of the land.

Yet, if they call my sons, one is a Marine, that is another story altogether and ultimately difficult to accept passively. In that respect, I am probably akin to those who lost their people in the Towers.

As so many times before, I cannot heal the wounded with these bloodied hands, nevertheless, I wil be compelled to try.

coyote

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Thomas Carlyle

Magicmystery
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8 posted 2003-02-16 02:59 AM


Hey Alan, I couldn't agree more. I would like to shake Prime Minister Cretien's hand for  sending our ground forces back to Afghanistan as peace keepers rather than be bullied by Bush into sending them to take on Iraq. The Bush administration (notice I am not gonna paint America with the same brush) shows the rest of the free world little respect by its very apparent impatience with the United Nation's inspectors. Personally, I just think George is out to finish a job his dad left undone at the turn of the last decade.  I checked out your web reference LOL check this one out.  Living In Our Neighbour's Shadow Again, well said!!!

Sherry

Cherish the good memories of the past and look forward to the adventure called Tomorrow. But above all... be kind to yourself today.

Krawdad
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9 posted 2003-02-16 10:58 AM


allan,
Maybe we should bring back the duel?
Kraw'

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10 posted 2003-02-16 12:31 PM


Dear Allen,

I am sure you are not from America or you would not be so harsh.  I am against the war but I don't think Bush is the villain you paint.  He has been convinced by someone that Sadaam is ready to annihiliate us.  I am sure that we should be attending to the North Korea threats and hatred that country has for us. at least in this country we have the power to vote out a dictator and meanwhile we are having our own peaceful marches.  Love, Joyce

[This message has been edited by Joyce Johnson (02-16-2003 12:33 PM).]

SPIRIT
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11 posted 2003-02-16 01:42 PM


Okay! you started with the "WE" thing again. I know! I know!! you mean your group, but when you say "WE" you are locking all us readers in like it or not, and I don't like it, I am not a part of "WE" nor are a lot of others I am sure.  I live in America and America has been very good to me and I have the utmost respect for the Presidency of this country that has afforded me a home.  I do not have to agree with all policies of any party, but when the President is elected, I feel he deserves my respect and as little of a person I am I will fully support him and his office. I really dislike it when you lump us all under "WE", really dislike it.
cupcake
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12 posted 2003-02-16 01:56 PM


Amen! To that.

I'm a reader - not a writer.

lorenlynn
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13 posted 2003-02-16 03:04 PM


That 'we' thing gets my goat as well, it's like you are talking for all of us and I just don't like that. Talk for yourself and don't include 'we'.

Wisdom comes with winters. **  Oscar Wilde.

allan
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14 posted 2003-02-17 03:02 PM


This thing about 'we' works both ways I notice. Whenever I see the so-called patriotic poems I get angry for the same reason as yourselves. They ALSO include me in THEIR sycophantic grouping and I REALLY do not want to be in there either.

I attended my own group of 100,000 Mums and Dads, Kids, Grandparents, Wheelchairbound, Ex-servicemen and women - all and every possible person was there - many many for the first demonstartion of their lives on Saturday in Glasgow. All these ordinary gathered together to say "Hi! We are also here and we say NO to War!

I understand not wanting to be grouped into our little band but can you imagine just how often we get grouped along with yours?

Anyhow, if you'd like to take a look at the kinds of people 'we' are I took 100+ photos of the day and created an album. Just click on any thumbnail image to get the full sized photo:
http://members.fortunecity.com/allan51/demo/index.htm

All the best to everyone in their search for peace. Whatever your method let's hope we retain our humanity at destinations end.

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15 posted 2003-02-21 04:30 AM


oh I guess we should just stand by and let them take us out?

we are not bullies, we are defenders

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16 posted 2003-02-21 09:54 PM



Passing Shadows

So we will be defending Iraq and the Iraqi people and not attacking  them, interesting reasoning, would you care to elaborate on the logic behind that?

In my opinion a pre-emptive attack is still an attack, you can only be said to be performing a defensive act when that act is in response, and designed to rebuff, an act of invasion or clear aggression committed against you or your allies.

A good example of a defensive action would be the original Gulf War, Kuwait was invaded and the allies reacted in a defensive manner.

By your rules Russia could have been described as acting in a defensive manner when it invaded Afghanistan.  

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17 posted 2003-02-22 03:35 AM


we are defending ourselves, our people, our future...

we are not attacking the innocent people of Iraq, only the ones set out to do us harm

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18 posted 2003-02-22 07:17 AM



Passing Shadows

quote:
we are defending ourselves, our people, our future...


If I was in a bar and a man punched me in the nose any retaliatory physical action (i.e. punching him in the nose) would be deemed as a defensive act.

If I was in a bar and a man looked like he might punch me in the nose any physical action I took (i.e. punching him in the nose) would be deemed an attack.

If I was in a bar and I saw a man who had punched me in the nose on a previous occasion any physical action (i.e. punching him in the nose) could be considered just retribution but would still be deemed to be an attack.

Of the above scenarios, which best describes the current situation with regard to Iraq?

quote:
we are not attacking the innocent people of Iraq, only the ones set out to do us harm


First you are defending now you are attacking but only the ones who set out to do you harm, which is it defence or attack and who are these people who have set out to do you harm? Are you basing your comment on the potentiality to do you harm or actual acts that have taken place?

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19 posted 2003-02-22 08:31 AM


An interesting satire.  Its various images give the piece a style somewhat similar to prophetic writings.

"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh"
-- Magus
"there is no good and evil, there are just sides."
-- Local Parasite

fractal007
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20 posted 2003-02-22 08:35 AM


With regard to any current debates concerning the matter of Bush, his nation, his policies, and any other controvercial items, please remember that we are unlikely to find unbiased information anywhere at a time like this.  Remember that holding to the idea of being opposed to Bush or anyone else is automatically a bias.  Life's a nasty female dog sometimes...  

"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh"
-- Magus
"there is no good and evil, there are just sides."
-- Local Parasite

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21 posted 2003-02-22 11:30 AM


Okay! Soapbox back in Allan's corner.
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Some sad men admire a bully
They are weak and feeble-minded
They think some strength will pass to them
But are rightfully derided

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23 posted 2003-06-27 09:46 PM


Besides the fact this poem is riddled with cliche's, scans primitively, and forces almost all its rhymes, it's also logically bereft.

Please explain to those of us who do support our country; which other nation in the history of the world has helped the cause of human rights more than ours? Which nation has saved the butts of countless other countries when they most needed saving?
Where in this...ahem...fine poem do you display the slightest criticism towards those countries that harbor terrorists?
Where is your indictment of Saddam himself?
Perhaps you are of the opinion that we would have been better off leaving Iraq in the hands of that barbarous murderer. Maybe we should give the country back to him. Let him bring back his sweet, loving sons so they can reopen their rape rooms, children's prisons, torture chambers, then reinstate their warm hearted death squads to boot. Maybe you haven't heard of the al Qaida training camps they've found in that country? How many more 911 style attacks do you think our brave men,
(and women) prevented by dismantling the terrorists infrastructure.  
I have no problem with you or anyone else who wishes to protest as he sees fit. But, as a proud parent of a U. S. Marine, I've come to understand that your right to protest has been bought by the blood of brave warriors past and present--which has also bought me the freedom to fly this great country's flag any day I wish.

ICSoria
Sid

[This message has been edited by cynicsRus (06-28-2003 04:07 PM).]

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24 posted 2003-06-28 10:54 AM


damn Ed, you went way back to pull this one out! Ah the memories!

I don't think that allan is around anymore...uh...by his choice. That's all I will say.

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