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Acies
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Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
For some reason, Dopey just opened my eyes with his comments in one of his poems. It might sound really rude, but sometimes the truth doesn't seem to sound pretty at all. I've seen a couple of trends that have started here in passions. A trend that I personally think should stop. Not only because it's unfair to the other poets that's not part of that PASSIONS CLIQUE(if I may call it that), it's unfair to those clique members too cause they're missing out on a lot of beautifully written poems. Let me try to enumerate the things that I've observed in Passions lately as much as I can. If a moderator is reading this, I don't blame you if you delete this cause it's not really suppose to be meant to be nice at all. It's just that it's starting to getting sickening....But please, before you do so, give it a thought first and see whether this MEMO is actually beneficial to the others or not. Thank You. Back to were I was. 1. I've seen a lot of poets love to leave their work and expect to get replies from others, but they themselves do not even take the time to do the same favor to others. SUP with that? That is total selfishness. 2. Some poets only reply to the poems of others who leave replies to their own work. Meaning to say, it seems like they're thought is, why should they reply to other poet's work if they didn't get a reply from them on their own work. This is not PRESCHOOL -- I reply to yours if you reply to mine, if not then i won't either. 3. Some poets have been talking with each other outside of Passions, and that is good. I have no problem with that because that is none of my business. But when it affects Passions, and I'm in here trying to reply to as much as I can with my very limited time, now I have to say something about it. Being friend outside of Passions is great, more power to you, but when you come back into Passions, PLEASE make sure you don't reply to only their poems, reply to the poems of others too. Now that is totally wrong if you don't. 4. Now this problem, I admit I'm at fault. Sometimes I do read someone else's poem, but end up having nothing to say. Not being speechless about the poem, just nothing to say. I just thought about it last night. Is it so hard for me to at least just type..."Nicely done, keep writing"? Something really simple just to help motivate the writer as the replies I've gotten in my poems have totally motivated me to write more and share it in Passions. But lately, it seems like all replies have been dwindling down. There probably are more problems than what I've enumerated. If you wanna bring it up, please do so. PLEASE try to understand than I'm not trying to get all of you mad at me, I'm just trying to help me, you, and the others in Passions. Imagine yourself writing something that you are really very proud of and no one actually replies to it or maybe you get like 3 or 4 replies. That is totally demoralizing. I personally was so happy when I got over 30 replies with one of my poems, but that was a long time ago. Now, it seems like we have relaxed again. I was proud of one poem I just wrote recently, Im not gonna mention which one. But right now, I feel really bad about it. Maybe I am wrong, maybe my poem that I was so proud of is actually reeally a really bad one. Common now people, let's try something here This is the second time I have written a MEMO like this. SO PLEASE, LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! And if you're not willing to do so, tell me and I'd reply more to your poems and maybe you'd change your mind. OK I have to think of a poem here - that's the rule Sorry, my mind isn't really working right now Moderators, if you can think of one, pls add it? Thanks  (Added from LoveBug) Acire has stated some problems That we must all address And until it is resolved I know he'll never rest! But you can help the forums All you have to do Is reply as much as possible You see, it's up to you! < !signature--> I see no changes, wake up in the morning I ask myself, "Is life worth living or should I blast myself" TUPAC SHAKUR [This message has been edited by LoveBug (edited 09-29-2000).] |
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Virgin Suïcide Member
since 2000-08-11
Posts 319Netherlands |
ok, first of all, I try to reply as much as I can!! But I agree, some ppl are just putting their own poems on and are just waiting for replies... I also think that whenever there's a new poet on passions, we should all give him/her the warmest welcome he/she could wish for!! *hehe, and I'm not mad at you acire!!!!  *luvz, VS All of my life Where have you been I wonder if I'll Ever see you again ~*~*~Lenny Kravitz-Again~*~*~ |
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Erin Member Elite
since 2000-06-15
Posts 2527~Chicago~ |
Acire~~~Pratically ever poem I read I reply to it...And you should know that...I mean go look at my profile I have like 1600 replies to the poems...And have almost 100 of my own work...I know your not trying to be rude or anything...Sounds like you are just saying whats on your mind...And I agree with alot of what you are saying...You know what thank you for sharing this too!!! It TaKeS a MiNuTe To LiKe SoMeOnE, aN hOuR tO hAvE a CrUsH oN sOmEoNe & A dAy To FaLl In LoVe, BuT iT tAkEs A lIfEtImE tO fOrGeT sOmEoNe. |
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Lakewalker Member Elite
since 2000-08-05
Posts 3289On the streets w/ people |
I haven't been here that long, but I try to reply a lot and be good The only thing I ever have a problem with is number 4. Sometimes after reading a poem (I read a lot of them) I don't have any feelings toward it. Either I don't understand it or it just doesn't do anything for me. That's when I'm least likely to reply. When that happens it seems like it would only be doing the poet more harm if I lie and tell them "I like it, great writing." I dunno, that's just my opinion. But I think there defintely should be more replies to each poem posted here, people work hard (well, some do, others just have pure natural talent ) to write poems, and they should get credit for their time. Now I think I just contradicted myself, but oh well! Alright, I think I'm done rambling now. "Disagreements stimulate thought, thought stimulates action, and action stimulates life." --Me!! |
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Pixie-Babe03 Member
since 2000-08-29
Posts 387Central Maine |
acire- i COMPLETELY agree with you here. it is important to reply to peoples poems because it is VERY motivational. i do my bets to reply to all i can./.. if one really catches my eye then i am ALWAYS sure to reply. Thank you for bringing this up it needed to be brought to everyones attention ~*Pixie*~ |
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Dopey Dope
Moderator
Member Patricius
since 2000-08-30
Posts 11132San Juan, Puerto Rico |
OK first off YOU GO ACIRE!!!! You read my mind man!!! I find a lot of the replies to this memo to be a clearing-my-hands-of-sin sort of thing. Erin was like "Oh not me"...and others were like "oh not me"....but i think its a load of bull. I have read every single poem on this forum today and i have replied to every single one. I do this on fridays and during weekends because thats when i have the most time. Now..... a lot of people are at fault here, including me, but i think we should just reply a little bit more to people. These clique's are starting to annoy me. I am not within any. I think the only person that i do tend to relate with a lot if Anomaly and it's for the simple sake of his poetry. I completely agree with you acire, i am glad you have enough balls to post this up. I would have, but i'm on thin ice with the people here already hahaha.  I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust. |
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Erin Member Elite
since 2000-06-15
Posts 2527~Chicago~ |
Dopey~~~You know what I reply to almost EVERY poem that is posted up in here...So dont go saying that I am like Oh not me as you put it...You have alot of nerve doing that...As if you are saying that I dont reply to poems...You have alot of nerve coming up in here doing that...Just like with one of my poems...I had to get it locked so that you would quit saying things...I thought you were different when I got to know you but I guess I was thinking the wrong way...I have 1624 replies...And of that 1624 only about 90 are my own work...So dont go saying that I think I am replying cause you know what I am...You are just mad cause nobody replies to your work...Maybe they dont like it...Did you ever think of that...I give you props though you are talented...But with the attitude that you are giving right now...I dont think I like that side of you...You share you mind and what you think of people...So I will start sharing mine... It TaKeS a MiNuTe To LiKe SoMeOnE, aN hOuR tO hAvE a CrUsH oN sOmEoNe & A dAy To FaLl In LoVe, BuT iT tAkEs A lIfEtImE tO fOrGeT sOmEoNe. |
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Acies
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
OMG!!! PLEASE the last thing I wanted was for all of us to argue about this. Let's stop this, ok!!! I didn't post this for all of us to start fighting. That's the exact opposite of what this MEMO is all about. I want all of us to share each others experiences thru poetry and at the same time to motivate each other to write more. And right now, the best way is to reply to more poems, more than what we have done. Poetry is suppose to be the door to one's soul...and when one is complimented, it feels exactly like you're in heaven...at least that's my opinion. Let's stop the arguements NOW!!! PLEAZE I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, I just don't want this to go on Thank You for understanding I see no changes, wake up in the morning I ask myself, "Is life worth living or should I blast myself" TUPAC SHAKUR |
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LyricFetish Senior Member
since 2000-01-13
Posts 528North Carolina |
Wow. I get caught up in school for a few weeks, and when I come back everyone's going nuts. Come on people, grow up! I actually agree w/ Dopey that the replies to this have been basically 'there's no blood on my hands!' I don't think acire was aiming this post at any particular individual, but at the group as a whole. So if you read this and it applies to you, change your ways. If it doesn't, then just encourage the idea, but it seems like everyone's trying to cast blame off of themselves which is just redundant. Also, I think Erin was way out of line to go off on Dopey like that. She could have made her point w/o insulting his poetry and basically calling him an arse. So ok guys, I'm finally back, and I'm sorry to see what we've been reduced to. Let's up the maturity level and get into some serious poetry. Peace? *~Meredith~* |
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~sugarpie313~ Member
since 2000-09-14
Posts 375Maine, USA |
I agree with EVERYONE on here. i admit to being a little clique-y or whatever but i don't really know anyone on here that well. i reply to the one's that do catch my attention and even some that i think wouldn't naturally apply to me or my life. it was the great someone who said "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all" and to me that means on here, if all you have to say is "nice poem, keep writing" then don't say anything at all. but then again even if it is just a little something like that, that could be enough to keep someone writing and on here and out of trouble. So i can see it from everyone's p.o.v Hope to see everyone's best working come from this in the next few weeks now! LOLlove ya'll Valerie ~*Always make time to stop and taste the pop tarts*~ |
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Dopey Dope
Moderator
Member Patricius
since 2000-08-30
Posts 11132San Juan, Puerto Rico |
Yes well i think that Erin said was a bit un-called for. In no way did i mean to bring out hostility within this thread. I was simply stating the "not-me!" syndrome. Anyway, I am glad most people do agree with me. In fact, I am glad this whole thread started because of a simple fact that I pointed out. I feel as though this is a revolution against cliques and so on. Viva la revolucion! I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust. |
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Erin Member Elite
since 2000-06-15
Posts 2527~Chicago~ |
Dopey~~~I wasnt trying to be rude...I was just stating what was on my mind like you did...I never said that I dont like your work cuz you are talented and you know that I think that...But I was just saying what I was thinking...If you have anything else to say about what I said...Feel free to say it!!!  It TaKeS a MiNuTe To LiKe SoMeOnE, aN hOuR tO hAvE a CrUsH oN sOmEoNe & A dAy To FaLl In LoVe, BuT iT tAkEs A lIfEtImE tO fOrGeT sOmEoNe. |
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LoveBug
Moderator
Member Elite
since 2000-01-08
Posts 4697 |
Well, I've added a poem so that this discussion can stay. I feel that it's important to address this. This problem isn't confined to our forum, it's the same all around Passions. In every forum here, there are some poets that get at least 30 replies to every poem, and there are some that don't get any. I know how hard that can be... I've had several pieces go without any replies. No one likes to have their poetry overlooked. I'm sure that everyone has heard the saying "You only get what you give". That applies to the forums, also. The more you reply to other people's work, the more replies you will recieve. I know that some of you are pressed for time (as I am), but you can make an effort. And please, don't just reply to a piece just because your friend wrote it!!!!! You'll want to reply to your friends' poetry, I understand, but don't leave it at that. If you only reply to one or two authors, you have defeated the entire purpose of Passions. I understand that there are times that you have no feedback to give on a piece, and that's fine. I know that you hate giving generic replies (as I do), but please make an effort! If there is something about a poem you don't agree with, make it known (POLITELY!). If you have a suggestion to make a poem better, let them know! Passions is about getting HONEST feedback on pieces. Well, I hope that I've gotten through to some of you. I know that, at times, I may set a poor example, but I am really pressed for time. But in the future, I will also make a better effort to reply more, and I hope all of you will. False gems may shine as brightly as the genuine article, but there are always those who can tell the difference. |
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Kandi Member
since 2000-06-14
Posts 354North of Hell |
I just want to say that everything you guys have said here makes sense to me and I can understand where ALL of you are coming from, so nothing I'm about to say should be taken as a personal attack on any one or two individual people...just my 2 cents worth. < !signature-->We are better than this, all of us. I mean, listen to us. What started as an innocent point of view and commentary turned into this big thing. It's true that some of the things acire said are accurate and I think we all knew this anyway, but why get so defensive about it and go off on other people and accuse? Sometimes I honestly don't have anything to say about a poem (but even then I try to at least say something like "Great job...I liked it....keep writing") and if I don't like a poem, I comment on the style of writing or the approach or thought behind it rather than criticizing the technical content. But I admit that sometimes I am looking for a certain topic to match my mood, so I judge poems by the title and try to save myself time that way. And sometimes I skip over some poems to read another post first because I know that that particular author appeals to me. I need to work on this, I'm not perfect. But I promise I'll try to improve. And to any author's whose poems I have ever skipped over and shrugged off, I'm sorry. Really I am. I just wish we didn't have to pick each other apart and point fingers...maybe we're just scared that if we don't blame someone else, we'll find that part of the blame is really on ourselves. Because as much as we try to deny it sometimes, none of us are perfct. If you think you might do some of the things mentioned in the post, then try to work on that and realize that there are so many great poets on this forum besides a few of your personal favorites. If you think this post was uncalled for and that there is no problem with the forum, fine, good, great, it's your opinion. If you are one of the people who reply to as many poems possible and keep an open mind to all the poems and poets here at the forum, congratulations; you will get more out of this forum then anyone else, and keep up the good work. If you got nothing else out of this little debate, at least try to remember that we are all just different people with different points of view and different things to say, but we are a family. We share a passion -for writing, for poetry, for *friendly* criticism, for art, for expression, for whatever it is that keeps you coming back to this place. Sorry this is so long. I have to end it now though...and I think this whole thing needs to end too...because there are a lot of poems in this forum that have sat collecting dust and gone unnoticed...and we have a lot of reading to catch up on. Much Love to all of you. ~Kristin~ ~*Things you see the way you see them will never be seen again*~ ~All that I have found in reason is reason just to not believe.~ [This message has been edited by Kandi (edited 09-29-2000).] |
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Dopey Dope
Moderator
Member Patricius
since 2000-08-30
Posts 11132San Juan, Puerto Rico |
Erin.....seriously......if you read what i posted in the first place you will see that your name is mentioned once with a little statement of "oh not me"....ok thats it. Then you reply with this 20 billion worded essay (exageration) on how im wrong and bla bla bla blabla and loads of other stuff. Ok, im not offended, hardly so. Hahaha i think it's funny you got a little jittered up by the tiny fragment of nothingness about you in my first post. Anyway chilllzzz I have nothing to say...... you take things to the heart when they are not even meant to be taken like that. chilllllzzzzzz we are all happy peoplez, i know i am. I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
Has anyone ever heard the term "preaching to the choir?" LoveBug is absolutely correct that lack of response is an issue in every single forum at Passions, and even more so at most other web sites on the Internet. Sadly, there are still selfish people in this world. We're working on that, believe me, but we're not quite there yet. Dopey, why should you be at all surprised that the replies to this thread are of the "cleaning my hands of sin" sort of thing? Your post was exactly the same thing, absolutely no different than any other I read here. Except, of course, you felt the need to be indignant and righteous about it. And inaccurate. It is almost inevitable that the people replying to this thread are also the people who are already replying to the poetry as well. The people who only come here to post their own poems and never reply to others' poetry are not going to even read this thread. If one of them happened to stumble across it, unlikely as that is since they are interested only in their own posts, do you really think they would try to mount a reasonable defense for being selfish? Of course not. So, the only replies you'll likely see here are from those already aware of the problem, already doing all that is reasonably expected to alleviate it. Is there a solution to the problem? It's been suggested that we set some kind of reply-to-originate ratio and enforce it in the software. I "could" add routines to the forum software that make it impossible to start a thread until you've made, say, five replies to other posts. Personally, though, I have a serious problem with trying to legislate things like courtesy, respect and common decency. I, frankly, don't believe it ever works. What I do believe, however, is that what goes around always comes around. If you don't want to be friendly, if you don't want to treat people as you would want to be treated, if you don't want to post anything except your own poetry - then you bloody well should have that right. Of course, you shouldn't be at all surprised when you ultimately find yourself - and your poetry - all alone. What will eventually happen is that all the selfish people who never reply to anyone will leave Passions (probably thinking how everyone there was so selfish not to give them more replies!), inevitably replaced by a few more of the same ilk. Those who stay through all this, of course, will be the ones who've figured out how the game works. Give and take. Courtesy and respect. The best part, at least from my perspective, is that every once in a while one of those selfish people will be sincerely impressed by the warmth and positive people who are the mainstays of Passions. They probably won't even realize they're doing it, but they'll start to emulate that warmth and start returning that friendliness. And there will suddenly be one less selfish person in the world. Because, while I don't think you can ever legislate courtesy, I do think you can teach it. Through example. |
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AngelShell Member
since 2000-03-01
Posts 446not heaven nor hell so... |
ok, just thought that I'd get my little say in this however un wanted or un appreciated it may be. I DO agree that people are posting and not replying to others...but realistically, how is that going be stopped by this? I mean, those people probably won't even read this. As for no. 4...I am in two minds about this...on one hand, no, it wouldn't take a lot to write "great writing, keep it up" but how impersonal is that? I mean, when I reply to a poem, I like to think that what I'm saying is actually what I feel. And I mean, if I didn't understand a poem or if I plain didn't like it, how could I say something that isn't true. Wouldn't that person be better off without my oppinion? And it might just be me, but I would rather I get 3-5 thought out comments than 30 "well done, keep it up". That's just what I feel...It wasn't meant to be a personal stab or judgement against ANYBODY. |
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StarPryncess17 Senior Member
since 2000-05-31
Posts 932Colorado |
I wasn't even going to reply to this considering the fact that I would just end up getting mad and saying things I don't want to. But now I want to make it perfectly clear that we all know this is a problem This is a problem, it has always been a problem and will continue to be a problem for a very long time...until there are people who care enough to give what they want to receive. Which will never be a full population. People come here expecting to get wonderful feedback on their work but don't give it in return, that's something that we have to deal with. We've dealt with it and we will continue to deal with it. I don't think that this is a "cleaning the hands of sin" type of thread. (sorry Dopey) I think it was brought to our attention by someone who cares about others and how we all should be replying if we expect to get replies. I for one am not going to sit here and defend myself. I know that I reply to every poem that I read. And it's not just "great job keep writing..." that is soo impersonal.I agree with AngelShell, I would rather have less replies that meant more and were honest and from the heart. That's just my opinion. You don't have to agree. Also, everyone here is pressed for time...We all have lives outside of Passions, that's a given. It's like the rules that you are supposed to read when you first register. You must give in order to receive. Now, we can all come together and not be immature and just say "hey, there is always going to be selfish people in the world...(that's inevitable)and we can just continue doing our best to give more to receive equal" or we can just get mad and say "screw it" which makes you just as selfish for not caring. Those of us who have read this obviously care...why else would we have replied?!?! Just keep that in mind. We all care and while the people who are so selfish won't even read this, we can just not reply to their work and let them go on their loser selfish ways...Please no more fighting all, it isn't the point of this post. And no this thread was not made for a "cleaning the hands of sin" it was made to address a very important issue that is an "archetype throughout all the forums. Let's work on ourselves in order to make our community the family that it is and was made to be. Love Always ~*~Jessica~*~< !signature--> ~*~sMiLe! It MaKeS yOuR bUtT ShInE~*~ [This message has been edited by StarPryncess17 (edited 09-30-2000).] |
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Isabel Galaxia Senior Member
since 2000-06-18
Posts 733 |
Okokok, I don't even know what to say to this. I don't want to offend anyone, and I don't want anyone getting mad at me or anything, so I'll try to be as neutral as I can on this kind of topic. I agree people should reply more, and that there are going to be people that don't. That's just a given sort of thing. I think that this goes through phases, for a while most people will reply, and for a while some won't. There are a lot of people here who reply as much as they can, and probably some that don't. I know I should probably reply more, so that's what I intend to do. As for the people who don't reply much, well, that's their choice, but I will still reply to them. Alright, well, that's my opinion on this thing, I hope I haven't offended anyone. Hasta luego mis amigos Bel Beautiful is empty Beautiful is free Beautiful loves no one Beautiful stripped me -"Beautiful" CREED |
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Isabel Galaxia Senior Member
since 2000-06-18
Posts 733 |
Okokok, I don't even know what to say to this. I don't want to offend anyone, and I don't want anyone getting mad at me or anything, so I'll try to be as neutral as I can on this kind of topic. I agree people should reply more, and that there are going to be people that don't. That's just a given sort of thing. I think that this goes through phases, for a while most people will reply, and for a while some won't. There are a lot of people here who reply as much as they can, and probably some that don't. I know I should probably reply more, so that's what I intend to do. As for the people who don't reply much, well, that's their choice, but I will still reply to them. Alright, well, that's my opinion on this thing, I hope I haven't offended anyone. Hasta luego mis amigos Bel Beautiful is empty Beautiful is free Beautiful loves no one Beautiful stripped me -"Beautiful" CREED |
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Lani_DarkOne Member
since 2000-05-28
Posts 152UK |
I came here a couple of weeks ago, because I loved to read others works, more than posting my own. I replied to all that I liked, and that was the majority. However, people can't reply well to poems,( not the 'great poem full stop' stuff) unless it strikes them in some way. Also, people don't simply have the /time/ to read every single poem and reply.(I sometimes have to just make do with reading and going 'wow'.. )Sometimes I sift through the older poems, read and sometimes do reply. However, when I can be bothered to post my own stuff, the 'uno reply' that I recieve doesn't do much to motivation..( I'm sure most of you feel the same way). "Controlling my feelings for too long.... And forcing our darkest souls to unfold... And pushing us into self-destruction...." *~Muse*~ |
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X_me_X Junior Member
since 2000-08-18
Posts 37 |
hey guys well i think u guys are right about the fact that some ppl jus post poetry without replyin as much.....and i think im one of those ppl. but the thing is that im really really really busy and when i do post a poem i try and reply to a few poems that catch my attention on the day that i visit passions,..i will make an effort to reply to more poems! ~All is forgiven but NEVER forgotten~ |
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StarPryncess17 Senior Member
since 2000-05-31
Posts 932Colorado |
mad props to X_me_X!!! At least ou admitted it. I don't do that, and I noticed that you do sometimes, but at least you can admit it! Thank you for being an honest person about this all!! ~*~Jessica~*~ ~*~sMiLe! It MaKeS yOuR bUtT ShInE~*~ |
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branden726
since 2000-09-25
Posts 607Bay City, MI |
Hey wow what is up with this i agree but most of the time i dont have time to reply to all the poems i would like to most of the time i look at the ones with the lowest reply's and i reply there then i get off i kinda do have a life like everyone else and hey we are sorry if we dont reply to you poems or whatever ya know a lot of ppl love my work as you can see i have 12-13-14 reply's on each poem and when i first started my first one had 14 and i didnt reply to no one cause i was new at this....in other words dont worry we actually do read the poems some of us just dont have the extra few seconds to post even if i just say hi great poem i still make an attempt okay some ppl need to chill on this subject. "what doesnt kill you only makes you stronger" |
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Deranger Member
since 2000-05-10
Posts 498Somewhere, between here and there |
I’m about to share an opinion…odds are, some aren’t gonna like it much, but that is often the way with controversial opinions. A poet’s worth is not judged by the amount of replies he/she received. Some of the greatest poets went unhonored until they met Death’s gaze. I think everyone can agree. I forget this all the time, but my real purpose in poetry is to convey my feelings to others, sometime I make them sad, other times happy. I’m thankful for every reply that I get, but I would be just as happy if just one person read it and got something from it. I must apologize for my style of reply…I’m sure I must seem completely unmoved when I make replies like…um, well I’m sure someone knows what I mean…Wait! It appears I’m “Washing my hands of sin” as it were…I guess we all really do do that? In-wishing-humans-weren’t-so-volatile THERE IS NO SPOON Spreading insanity, one post at a time "Way back in eighty-seven, where we bust rockstands till we get to heaven" |
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Jenn Cirrincione
since 2000-07-02
Posts 2107Fl |
Wow. Acire's opened up a grand ol' Pandora's box here! No, but I completely understand the need to post to people's poetry and not just put up your own! It's very important... most of us are at least a little guilty of this sin. I have no intent on 'washing my hands' or what not. I do it. I don't mean to, but sometimes I don't reply enough. Nobody's perfect. All we can do is try to reply and post and be civil and caring towards each other. In hopes of peace; Jenn "He's mastered the art, of looking sincere, his eyes have a way, of making you stay, don't look in the mirror"- Chely Wright |
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Acies
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
1. First of all, with regards to my number 4, i'll still stick to what i said. To me, poetry is always gonna be a great write/beautiful because it's an expression of one's feelings. Now we the matter of writing it, we all have our own different styles. Some of us are a little more experienced than the others, i'll admitt to that. But it doesn't mean that just because one other poem doesn't strike you or one sounds so childlish, that we can't leave a motivational reply to it. We can leave ideas to better it, that's no problem, but at least reply. I will admitt that there are times when i thought a poem was not as good as mine, maybe that's my own selfish pride or the devil in me, but it doesn't mean that i can't leave a motivational reply. Poetry is beautiful no matter what!!! Just because someone else is better at expressing their inner most feelings than others, it doesn't mean that the other one in not good at all. I'll stand on that belief!!! I am not gonna say a poem is bad just because it was written by someone who's new at it or whatever the situation is. We much help each other grow into better poets, and the only way we can do that in Passions is by replying. I know part of the beauty of poetry is sharing it, but how you know that it was share when you aint got no replies to it. Like everyone just passed it off. Poetry, for me is not about having others relate to it. Does that mean that if your experience doesn't relate to me, I'm gonna find your poem ugly, of course not. Poetry i about having people read your feelings and actually how good you are at letting feel what the writer was actually feeling when he/she wrote it. That is the beauty of poetry. Not beacuse i relate to it. At least for me, that's how it is. 2. Secondly, NO!!! We don't need to chill about this issue. This is a problem that needs to be addressed. My poems have had a lot more replies, but hey...why is it that I'm still the one who brings this problem up. I shouldn't be the one, I'm happy enough because my poems are always being replied to. HELL NO!!! I'm not in Passions for my own benefits, I am here too help others grow with their poetry(w/ all the help i could give), at the same time grow thru them too. I am not gonna chill about this issue eventhough it's not really for my own benefit. I feel bad for those poems that i see has only 1 or maybe no replies at all. That is totally wrong, and that is part my fault too and i feel bad about that. To all of you, I am deeply sorry for even bringing this up. All I have done is create this childish arguement. < !signature--> I see no changes, wake up in the morning I ask myself, "Is life worth living or should I blast myself" TUPAC SHAKUR [This message has been edited by acire (edited 10-01-2000).] |
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AngelShell Member
since 2000-03-01
Posts 446not heaven nor hell so... |
The problem with leaving 'a motivational' reply is that some people tend to take it the wrong way and think that it was actually meant to be a put down... When you ask people for replies all we are really doing is saying "don't tell me what you think, tell me what you think I want to hear". And then there are the poems that people take COMPLETELY the wrong way and see some big hidden meaning when there really isn't one, and then THAT makes the poet all upset too because the reader didn't see the true meaning behind it... So really...it's a loose loose situation... But I have to agree with Deranger, when I write a poem and I see that I have one reply, at least I know that there is one person out there that got SOMETHING out of it...and also...I would hope that if I got 56 replies, they all weren't just so that all those people could get their number of replies to other people up so that this whole situation doesn't apply to them. There is NO ONE in this ENTIRE place that isn't atleast A LITTLE guilty of this...but the fact is if someone endorses some kind of rule that you have to reply to others to get replies to yours then there are going to be more people out there that are replying just for the sake of it. Personally, I don't reply to a poem that I didn't find interesting or valuble...and yes...every poem is valuble to someone, but if I didn't get something out of it, then I don't reply, simple as that...you can call me selfish, you can call my stuck up, it doesn't matter. And lastly...this isn't a childish argument...you obviously feel strongly about this therefore we are 'debating' something that means something to someone, if we were debating whether the sky reflects the sea or the sea reflects the sky then yes, it would be a childish argument. Thank you for at least reading the first line of this horribly long and boring statement... **I didn't loose my mind it was mine to give away** ~Robbie Williams~ |
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Jenn Cirrincione
since 2000-07-02
Posts 2107Fl |
Acire... there is nothing more you can do to change people's opinions. You need to understand while it's important to address this issue, we can't beat it into the ground and start fights... that's probably what those mebers meant by "chill out on the issue" not to just completely forget about it, just relax a little about it. And you said you shouldn't be the one to bring this up... you're as good as anyone else here... why shouldn't it have been you?? I think you addressed the problem, and we've all tried to improve. Now how about we all just " get the ball rolling" and try and fix this ourselves, hopefully all will follow the leader! Jenn "He's mastered the art, of looking sincere, his eyes have a way, of making you stay, don't look in the mirror"- Chely Wright |
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Kit McCallum
Administrator
Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
LoveBug and Ron gave pertinent advice above on this topic, so I'm only going expand on a few more thoughts. Due to the increase in the membership and the number of poems posted, it is difficult to respond to all poetry within these forums. The link below is a current discussion on the same topic in Open #10, and I encourage you to review this post. As I said there, if we all broaden our horizons, we will all benefit. A new friend you reply to today, may be the one to find "your" poem on page 4 and bring it bubbling back to the top tomorrow! /pip/Forum42/HTML/000276.html Take care everyone, and have some fun reading and writing ... that's the whole point of this wonderful place! Best wishes, /Kit |
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Lakewalker Member Elite
since 2000-08-05
Posts 3289On the streets w/ people |
Can I just add that when I say "great writing, keep it up" I honestly mean that, and don't intend for it to just be some sort of mercy reply. Ok |
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Acies
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
Lakewalker --- that's exactly what i am trying to convey on my #4. Just because i said that something that short, it doesn't mean that it's a mercy reply. As i've explained, to me, there are no bad poems. AngelShell --- i disagree with you when it comes to why poems are written. A poet doesn't decide to write a poem based on whether it's gonna apply to someone elses life or not. They base it on their own personal experiences/lives. So, this is the way you should approach a poem. When you read it, you shouldn't worry whether it applies to you, you try to see what the poet was going thru and that's what makes it beautiful. As i've always said, poems are the door to one's soul. Specially if the poem really showed you what the poet was going thru. That makes a great poet. Like if you read one that's sad and it makes you cry, it should make you cry for the writer and not for yourself. And if it applies to your life, the better. What it does is it only makes the poem more personal to you because you really dont have to understand the poem as much. I see no changes, wake up in the morning I ask myself, "Is life worth living or should I blast myself" TUPAC SHAKUR |
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Jacman Member
since 2000-06-27
Posts 291Dwight Il, US |
Aicre Well, I'm guilty of about everything that you mentioned here. I'm not afraid of admitting that because I don't really care. Don't get me wrong here, posotive reinforcment is a very important thing, especially in a place like this, but let me tell you why. 1. maybe you could include me in a clique, but do you in real life allways include everyone that you come in contact with in everything you do? No of course not you reserve the majority of your time to a select few. Am I right? You might say this isn't real life but what about it isn't? 2. Time. I work about 70 hours a week between two jobs so that I can pay my bills and help out my mother who raised me by herself. I came to this forum to be able to relax and stimulate my mind and to possibly recieve some feedback. Don't *****, if some people only want an exclusive experience than that is they're business. 3. From now on if you choose not to reply to any of my poems,(if I post any,) than that is your business as well. Who am I to tell you what to do with your own personal time. If you don't like what I have said than I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I would like you to know that I understand and do in a way appreciate what you are trying to do here. This doesn't effect in any way my judgement apon you as a writer or a person. This is just my gut response to what you have posted here. I don't mean to be a jerk but if I am so be it. You can like me or lump me along with the rest of society. I do my best and I'm sorry if people like me don't live up to your expectations. Please do keep writing and I know this is a tough one but no hard feelings ok? If you would like to say something to me personally you can allways post it here or my e-mail address is allways available for what you or anyone else would like to say. jason I'm not concieted...I'm convinced. |
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Caz Member
since 2000-09-13
Posts 133Concepción, Chile |
lol, it's all I have to say. This really sounds like a group of kids fighting for a toy, and I'm sorry to say it. We all know how great is to see replies, to know what people think of you (your poems). We are all guilty of what's posted here by acire, but sadly all of us have work, school, study, things like that, and we don't have as much time as we should, as we want, to reply to everyone's poem. I think, I hope, that we all do the best that we can to reply, that we take all the time we can to help the other people that have as much problems as we do, so I don't think this problem can be solved. Anyway, instead of doing this, fighting for who's guilty and who's not, and lossing the limited time we have arguing, let's forget this and use the time we have to reply to people. By the way, if you're going to reply, take your time because "that's good, keep working" isn't sometimes what we want to hear. It's been raining since you left me. |
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StarPryncess17 Senior Member
since 2000-05-31
Posts 932Colorado |
AMEN! ~*~sMiLe! It MaKeS yOuR bUtT ShInE~*~ [This message has been edited by StarPryncess17 (edited 10-02-2000).] |
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Dopey Dope
Moderator
Member Patricius
since 2000-08-30
Posts 11132San Juan, Puerto Rico |
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrright....well my comments on this whole topic are cool. I will, however, keep them to myself considering I pretty much sparked this idea in acire's head. *smirks*.........uhhhhh yea well i just hope this DOESN'T get out of hand. Let's just make it simple here..... -post a poem - reply to a poem -post a poem - reply to a poem bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla you get me? Sounds good eh? Thought so! bye! hahaha I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust. |
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Lakewalker Member Elite
since 2000-08-05
Posts 3289On the streets w/ people |
Caz, who is this "we" you are talking of?? And maybe that's what the reader want to reply with, although I know it's not original and as satisfying as some of the praise you'll recieve, it's at least an effort to encourage your writing. If you don't like it you can ignore those replies you know. |
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Acies
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
AMEN to Lakewalker!!! AMEN AMEN AMEN Secondly, we are not acting like children or in anyways close to being childish. Have you ever heard the word "discussion"? This is gonna become childish if people start pointing fingers on each other. The way it looks, poeple are living up to their own faults and that is great. Whether they should do anything about it or not is still up to them, but I still believe that issues should be discussed whether it can be solved or not. This is not a matter of whether it's inconsiquencial to discuss or not. It is being discussed, not only here but in other forums too. When I started this discussion, I want everyone to know that it's not for my benefit at all. I do what I can do, and so far my poems have been getting a lot of replies. I'm just sick of seeing other poems with almost no replies at all. This is a suggestion only...you don't have to do it. What I've started doing is listeing down each username I see, and I search for all their poems for me to reply to. I know it'll take a while for me to finish, but at least I'm doing something about it I see no changes, wake up in the morning I ask myself, "Is life worth living or should I blast myself" TUPAC SHAKUR |
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Child of the Stars
since 2000-09-07
Posts 1658Ann Arbor, MI |
blah. that is all i have to say. Better days are on the way, my friend, just a ways on down the line. I believe that just around the bend, everythings gonna be fine... |
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emptyness Member
since 2000-03-09
Posts 95mobile,Ala,USA |
ok i was just gonna sit back and listen to all of you bicker about this but my god i didnt think it was going to gain a life of its own its amazing how much this place has changed before my long absence it was a place of friendship everyone knew everyone and had advise for each other as well as poetic help and admired each others work in the forum but it has changed people either only read certain poems by certain people or just write there poems and never reply to anyone this isnt a chat room for friends to talk only to friends this is a poetic forum you shouldnt only read people you know poems and many of you are guilty of it i reply if i like the poem or if it speaks to me but you find it nessary to send little meaningless replys ex:good one keep up the good work, theres no point in it now that the problem has bn brought up fix it and quit whinning about it thank you acire for bring this up this problem has driven many good poets away from us and we are all to blame< !signature--> "scribere iussit amor" love commanded me to write "Cogito ergo sum"-I think, therefore I exist [This message has been edited by emptyness (edited 10-02-2000).] |
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Caz Member
since 2000-09-13
Posts 133Concepción, Chile |
lol again!!!! When I said that replies like "that's good, keep working" are really bad, I mean it. If you think that a poem deserves 30 replies like this, ok let's do it, I can just open every poem I find and paste "that's good, keep working", and not even read it. But it makes me feel better to read one good advice than 30 "that's good, keep working". I think that there is a huge difference between quality and quantity. This "¿discussion?" should be over. We are using most of our limited time fighting here. We should go and fix this problem by reading poems, feeling the poems. Sometimes I read a poem and I think about it all day, and when I have a good advice I reply. Please, let's go out there where the problem is and let's do something about it, let's reply to poems as we should. Maybe we should give some good advices to 3 or 4 poems, or maybe we should paste in every poem "that's good, keep working", you decide.< !signature--> It's been raining since you left me. [This message has been edited by Caz (edited 10-02-2000).] |
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Jeremy Halstead Senior Member
since 2000-06-01
Posts 569Morris, Ill. U.S.A |
hehehe....now this is what I call involvment!!!! btw....I have over 400 posts and only about 60 of them are poems (not too bad, huh). Hey...can I send a shout out to my little passions clique of Jess, Erin, Jay, Tom, and Crystal!?...kewl..thanx. On a more serious note...I do admire your commitement to fairness in this forum and you did a good thing by trying to help, but really a person does have the right to spend their time in passions any way they choose (as long as they're not one of those people who sit's down and post 8 poems and replies to one... I HATE THAT..IT'S RUDE). Jeremy Curse not upon love, for it is the greatest of great things. Be it not love that curses you....but thy lack thereof. -J.D.H. |
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Kit McCallum
Administrator
Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
As discussed with several moderators, this thread has run it's course. To date, most interested parties have commented with their feelings on the issue. Please therefore be advised that this thread will remain open until later today for any final comments, and will then be closed so we can move on and enjoy writing and responding to poetry ... as is our passion, here at Passions. I appreciate your understanding everyone! |
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Lakewalker Member Elite
since 2000-08-05
Posts 3289On the streets w/ people |
Alright then Kit, this is my final post on this then Caz- Yes, quality on this site is nicer to read than quantity. But there are the people who say there needs to be more replies, so really this issue will come down to your believes on whats more important, replying to a lot of work or replying to a few with deeper answers. I think there's room for both here. As long as people are willing to accept less replies, deeper ones would certainly be better. And I'm still going to defend "great writing, keep it up" because from me those are the words I mean. So if you think that's bad than you must think my thoughts are bad, if that's what I think when I read a poem. So, it's just a friendly difference of opinions here |
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Acies
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
KIT --- This is my last reply to all in here too, I just do not understand how so many people can misunderstand the real meaning to bringing up this problem. Caz --- You have it all wrong. I do not understand how you can not seem to understand the point. Let me say it one more time and that's it. It's up to you to just read this, or read and understand this. My point on short replies, is it's better than not replying at all. What's wrong with telling the poet, "thanks for sharing this"? Nothing!!! It's a lot better than just not saying anything. I'm not comparing a short reply to a long thought out reply. If you think you can give a long thought out reply --- then MUCH BETTER!!! But that is not the issue I brought up. I brought up "short reply vs. no reply". I think I'd rather have a short reply. No matter what, just the look of having more replies without reading them already makes me feel better. I just want everyone to know that I didn't mean for some people to get mad at each other. If there is someone you should get mad at, it should be me. I brought this up. Let's all be friends again and just start replying more You never know, the poem that you pass up might be the poem that would strike you the most. Lets learn from each other.........PeaceI see no changes, wake up in the morning I ask myself, "Is life worth living or should I blast myself" TUPAC SHAKUR |
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Kit McCallum
Administrator
Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Since Acire is the last to respond, and it's been several hours since my note above, I will close the thread to further discussion. For as much as your time allows, please ... enjoy your time here at Passions. Take in some of the many wonderful works your peers are posting within this forum, with as little ... or as much comment as you wish to post. There is no hard and fast rule. I know that I often receive a few small words in response to a poem, but I've come to know these people and know their heartfelt sincerity behind their words, and always appreciate knowing that they stopped in for a read. All responses are welcome in my eyes, and give you an opportunity to respond and bring your poem back up to the top for further exposure to additional members again. It's a win-win situation. Each of us is unique, and has interesting backgrounds and experiences we can all learn and grow from. This is a wonderful place to share these feelings, life-experiences and blossoming ideas. I look forward to reading some great poetry, will see back in the forums everyone! Best wishes, /Kit |
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