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brian madden
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0 posted 2000-08-12 05:57 PM

Infant Abattoir,
(sequel to Cats for Queens. /pip/Forum9/HTML/003301.html)

I have always believed in pushing the limits and boundaries with my poetry. I stand by this poem and its content but I also understand that this is a family orientated site. If this material is found by moderators to be objectionable or unsuitable please delete the thread. Though I hope this is not the case. Reader discretion is advised, please if anyone has any comments or queries regarding the poem feel free to e-mail me at lost_boy_zero@hotmail.com.

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The wombs crawl
when once they ran
laboured with the wages of sin
that only brings death.
They are so pretty
with their vacant eyes
observing dumbly
not even squirming
as the scalpel kills.
It is a cold fatal death
Yet there is never a hand
Raised in defence.
Not been born yet is
no excuse to die.

The cats purr and play
with the aborted shells.
They love the stench finding it erotic.
We can all masturbate here
or in you but you might bloom.
Your infants are currency here.
It would be my pleasure
to exterminate them for you.
Antiseptic is not needed
for your screams please us,
your flesh mutilated pleases us
your blood clotted face
of anguish is romantic: Be my valentine.
In the torn crevasses of your stomach
I can plant roses there
I can plant ovaries there.

It is more humane that
the infants die soulless than
to suffer the agony of adulthood.
Serve the fallopian tubes
while the embryos sleep unaware.
Sex breeds dirt; an exchange
of germs (unsanitary)
wasting love in fake pleasure.
Black out the reproductive organs,
the useless flesh sickens me.
Too many weak chains
Castration is good hygiene.
Sterilise for sanitary.
Born the empty shells so the cats
can once again be happy.
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"Beyond all this good is the terror,The grip of a mercenary hand,When savagery turns all good reason, There's no turning back, no last stand,"I.Curtis

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poutprincess
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since 2000-07-06

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Perth, Western Australia, Australia

1 posted 2000-08-12 06:10 PM

wow...unbelievable....i dont know if id agree with this interpretation,but i can see how others may view abortion and the parties involved in abortion in sucha way....youve always forced me into thinking...but this one is so raw and harsh and vivid that i could easily close my eyes to it....and that is why this horrible process continues...because so many of us are afraid to "open our eyes".
~Dawn

whatcha doing in this darkness baby
when you know love will set you free?
will you stay in the sea forever
Drowning there for all eternity? ~Live

brian madden
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since 2000-05-06

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ireland

2 posted 2000-08-12 06:25 PM

Thanks Dawn, I know that interpretation is totally black and white, naive in a way. One could almost call it propaganda. I would like to make clear the point now that I don't agree with abortions except in the case of rape victims. And to anyone who has had an abortion I understand it is a tough decison and while I not agree with the choice I respect that you have made that personal decision. Thanks for your comments.
As the link to Cats for Queens does not seem to be working here is it.
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Cats for Queens

The puppies all pretty, bald and blind
like hideous creatures of an aborted mother:
She sat down holding her severed gut,
hours without amusement in clinic setting,
eternally sterile, eternally depraved
No shells are saved.
Time passes on the cat clock,
sanity is only kept by tuning her organs:
percussion in a heart beat, drumming
as the pale white infants are cut open
on “clean” metal tables.
They pry into, tease inside
inside of you they steal your soul.
Rapists started the trend, all females should learn
to defend and not just let all things be.
Cats for queens, and prevention for our kind.

Doctor, oh Doctor I love to see
those mutilated forms, the bodies stripped down
and reconstructed more efficiently than ever.
I see sequences moving, I see the
mothers grooming the extracted foetus,
and I know (in a lie) that this is pure,
that this heavenly endorsed.
I know in my heart that this is right.

Repeat, again and again: I know in my heart
that this is right.

In a real mirror I know it’s depraved.

Cats for queens, all lost puppies,
but what is there for me?

"Beyond all this good is the terror,The grip of a mercenary hand,When savagery turns all good reason, There's no turning back, no last stand,"I.Curtis

allan
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since 2000-04-09

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On the road

3 posted 2000-08-12 06:38 PM

Brian, it couldn't be clearer that you feel VERY strongly about this and I think you have a right to express your feelings as long as the powers that be (moderators, etc.) allow it.

But I believe you are 'way wrong on this.

To approach the issue in such an emotive way can have many dangers as I think we have seen. I'm not sure where the line should be drawn myself as to where free speech ends and incitement to violence begins but personally I would tend to be more careful (loose fingered as I am sometimes!) than this.

Maybe there should be a 'Rant Forum' - I'd welcome that!

allan

P.S. I don't mean to imply that you do, or would, incite violence. It's just that if any issue as inherently emotive as this one is is given SUCH an emotive treatment there is at least a danger that some could feel morally justified in violence.

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brian madden
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4 posted 2000-08-12 06:55 PM

Allan, I hope that I am not inciting violence, yes I am fully aware of the emotional take on the poem and that it may be over the top. That is one of the reasons why I would not throw this poem out into a debate forum on the matter of abortion. It is a view, maybe not an accurate view. Yes Allan I like to take the bull by the horns, I work in extremes. I agree a Rant forum would be a welcome addition. Allan thank you for your thoughts on matter, by the way I am NOT campaigning or trying to ram certain issues down people's throats. All I can see is the horror element of abortions. I feel strongly about life I believe it is a gift and that the life of a unborn child is still a life that deserves respect and the right to live.

"Beyond all this good is the terror,The grip of a mercenary hand,When savagery turns all good reason, There's no turning back, no last stand,"I.Curtis

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allan
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5 posted 2000-08-13 04:29 AM

Thanks Brian,

As I said I didn't think you had any intention at all to incite violence. But a few minds are sufficently deranged already to need little backup for their distorted ideas that violence against doctors who perform terminations is justified. I see it as appropriate that they conduct their lives according to their principles but not to tell people who may well not even be Christians how to live theirs let alone kill them for it.

My own view for what it's worth is that what you are calling life is not in fact more alive than the original spermatazoa or egg.

I feel strongly about life too and to me it is paramount to respect the life of the woman who has to make this already upsetting choice. I think it is false and misleading to imply that this is an easy decision for any woman. It will be an intensely traumatic time. To me the fundamentalist Christians make a mockery of their religion in torturing such women further.

Furthermore it seems distinctly odd to me that those who clamour so fervently to save these "lives" are the first ones to foam at the mouth in demanding the death penalty or its enforcement. These people seem to suffer from some convenient lapse of memory at such times. In fact it is my view that this is wholly characteristic of "born again" Christians particularly.

(I worked very recently for a "born again" Christian family and I have NEVER experienced such bigotry and close-mindedness in my life. They were a truly dangerous group and if they come to any kind of power (which they hope to do) then we will see concentration camps for non-Christians here. (AND for those Christians not born again by the way - THAT'S how crazy they are...)

Sorry, I'm beginning to rant now!

But these people are capable of the most horrendous acts which they can completely justify with the broadest smile on their faces...

Allan

Kethry
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since 2000-07-29

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Victoria Australia

6 posted 2000-08-13 05:51 AM

Is it co-incidence that you posted with an ad for father's.
Very passionate and the Handmaid's Tale come to life.
Be well
Kethry

"It is the image in the mind that links us to lost treasures;
but it is the loss that shapes the image,
gathers the flowers weaves the garland."-

brian madden
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7 posted 2000-08-13 06:28 AM

Allan thanks for your response. I was at one stage a Christian, Catholic (cat-oholic LOL), I am aware of the groups you talk about, they seem to be much more of an American thing. I understand the trauma that women must go through when and after making that decision, I am not condemning them in no way only the pratice of Abortion.

I must disagree on one point the foetus is aware, you can argue the point about chicken's and eggs but we tend to hold human life more sacredly than animals. I am also anti the death penalty, for 1. it is too quick and 2. It is also murder itself ( it does not matter what that person is guilty of, to kill them is still murder).

Yes I have seen the Christian web sites, scarcely stuff. It is like their version of Hilter's Mein Kampf.

THanks for your thoughts, I am going to bite my tongue because I am also starting to rant, I think if anyone wants to debate the issue they can start one in Philosophy 101. I have no wish to partake in any debates of that nature.

Kethry, thanks....a bit puzzled by your comments...I think the comments were meant for another poem.

"Beyond all this good is the terror,The grip of a mercenary hand,When savagery turns all good reason, There's no turning back, no last stand,"I.Curtis

Nikolette Sadness

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port richey fl.

8 posted 2000-08-13 06:45 AM

brian, though we may not share the same views i am very happy to see a man standing up for this...there are many fathers to be who would rather not...i did enjoy this poem very much...yet i feel that people have to make their own decisions...*not arguing*...agian i applaud you on this peice...

Nikolette

i was once in love and happy...but you can call me Sadness.

Lil OnE
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since 1999-12-14

Posts 234
Pasco County. Fl.

9 posted 2000-08-13 03:33 PM

So, so sad. The hidden, silent holocaust. I really, really felt this poem. It was so deep, and it really made me think. Everybody deserves a chance at life... ... ...
Thank you, Brian, for this piece.

Never give your heart away, it will always come back broken.
~Lil OnE~

brian madden
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since 2000-05-06

Posts 4374
ireland

10 posted 2000-08-13 04:26 PM

Nikolette, I agree that people have to make their own decisions but to make a point, this is just my view, I do not agree with abortions in cases where the child is an unwanted pregnancy, there is the pill and so forth. Thanks for your comments.

Lil OnE, thanks for your comments. I agree that everyone has a chance. As I said before this is not meant to be a study of abortion just looking at one aspect of it.

It is an old poem and most of my earlier stuff had this extreme horror aspect. Anyway thanks to everyone for reading.

"Beyond all this good is the terror,The grip of a mercenary hand,When savagery turns all good reason, There's no turning back, no last stand,"I.Curtis

JamesMichael
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since 1999-11-16

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Kapolei, Hawaii, USA

11 posted 2000-08-13 06:11 PM

I believe that this is a very emotional subject for all involved...I can sense the pain and frustration you feel.
I thank you for speaking up for the unborn children that even after everything is said and done will never be able to offer us their own opinion on this subject...James

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