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digzober
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0 posted 09-17-2007 05:42 PM       View Profile for digzober   Email digzober   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for digzober



Hello all,

I need to take some notes down on "Fireflies in Garden" by Robert Frost. I am not familiar with deconstructionism at ALL! I need your help, the more information I can get the more I can understand it. I understand that this is an extended metaphor, on the other hand, that is only viewed in new Criticism. What about deconstructionism? What is that we look for, other than the fact that we look for the weak parts of the poem. Your help is appreciated! Thanks...
digzober
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1 posted 09-17-2007 05:43 PM       View Profile for digzober   Email digzober   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for digzober

Here is the Poem

Fireflies in the Garden
  
   Here come real stars to fill the upper skies,
And here on earth come emulating flies,
That though they never equal stars in size,
(And they were never really stars at heart)
Achieve at times a very star-like start.
Only, of course, they can't sustain the part.

Robert Frost
moondogz
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2 posted 09-17-2007 10:46 PM       View Profile for moondogz   Email moondogz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moondogz

to me the poem by frost is saying
"as above so below, yet this mortal
coil is a pale reflection of what
the "heavens hold." Do I know what
I'm talking about?  Ha, ha probably not.
Good luck finding what your looking for,
and welcome to pip talk dude.

            moon.
Brad
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3 posted 09-18-2007 12:29 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

It's unclear what you're asking for.

I don't know, here's a shot:

1. Make sure you explain that it is a metaphor stars/fireflies.

2. Focus on that 'of course' showing that the author isn't all that convinced of his comparison. It shows insecurity, a kind of search for affirmation.

3. What does that 'at heart' mean? Do fireflies have hearts? A third metaphor etc.

4. Do that enough and at some point you can question what the author was really intending here? He seems to back away from his own poem.

Does he want to compare the two or deny the comparison?

There's no way you can tell.

Not a strong 'deconstruction' by any means --  I don't really like these kinds of readings anyway. They seem kind of silly.

nicole leigh
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4 posted 09-19-2007 06:27 PM       View Profile for nicole leigh   Email nicole leigh   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for nicole leigh

we site in silence
the sun bright
the air cool
the silence calming
the rocking of the boat soothing
the shimmer of the claear blue water breth taking
the shiny red and white bobber motionless
i look at you
your worneout camoleflodge hat
your blond hair bleached on the ends
your blue eyes shimmering
looking off int the distance
i look into the baby blue sky
the paper white clouds
as fluffy as my pilow
i close my eyes and take a deep breth
i love this moment not only because it is calming
soothing
or breath taking
i love this moment because
i love fishing but most of all
i love you

Grinch
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5 posted 09-19-2007 06:59 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

The poem contains a form of deconstructionism – Frost is ridiculing celebrity status by comparing so-called stars to real stars to point out they’re not really stars at all.

But don't take my word for it, I've no idea what I'm talking about half the time.  

Brad
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6 posted 09-19-2007 07:02 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

But all writing always already contains its own deconstruction.
Grinch
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7 posted 09-19-2007 07:36 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

Brad,

If you believe Jacques D.

But is Derrida’s deconstruction the target of digzober’s question or deconstructionism – the destabilisation of a concept or belief?

Brad
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8 posted 09-19-2007 07:41 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Isn't this an assignment? I can't imagine the big D not being mentioned here. Either he or the little De (DeMan).

But it's a good question.
Grinch
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9 posted 09-19-2007 07:48 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


I think we need clarification from the tutor; I’d hate to flunk the assignment on a technicality.

 
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