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Devious Intellectual
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I appreciate all those who helped me out last time I had a question which was ages ago.  Now I want to know about rhythm, how is a poem judged to contain good rhythm?

examples would help i guess, thank you

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We may judge good rhythm by its use of Meter

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...as in, "Crawford popped out to Derek Jeter."
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Actually meter helps in creating good rhythm, but it doesn't do everything. Rhyming, especially internal rhymes, helps a lot in rhythm.


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That is true.

But in a sense, the rhyming may be thought of as part of the meter.  
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Hi -- If you begin with the notion that poetry is meant to be read out loud "rhythm" in poetry is similar to, but not directly correlative to "rhythm" in music.

There is no single poetic "rhythm."  Shakespeare's sonnets are highly rythmical and use an iambic pentameter line -- the beat.  Marianne Moore creates "rhythm" which accentuates rhyme in varying line lengths. Whitman and Ginsberg create a highly structured "rhythm" without specific regard to formal rythmic schemes or rhyme.  Vachel Lindsay, Swinburne, and Poe take the correlation of rhythm to music perhaps too far.

I encourage you to find your own rhythm, or poetic "voice" within a formal or less formal structure, it's all one can do, anyway.  Put you poetry to your own sniff test.  Read it out loud.  If it flows, as a ballad or a jazz riff, you're on track.  If it doesn't SOUND RIGHT, fix it until it does.

A sense of rythm can be cultivated.  You can train your ear by dipping into the canon of English/American poetry.  Read out loud and LISTEN -- this is not about fully understand or critiquing a poem, it is about listening for the inherent rythm.

And don't get caught up in the trap of formality, unless sonnets, sestina's, or vilanelles really are your thing.

Best, Jim

[This message has been edited by oceanvu2 (06-10-2007 12:19 AM).]

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For me it is the flow of the poem. If I am finding myself tripping over a line or having something stop me in my tracks, I need to fix the flow. For each piece it is different and meter does play a part in that. Even a free verse has to have a flow in order to get across a good feeling.
 
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