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0 posted 09-10-2001 03:36 PM       View Profile for Android 17   Email Android 17   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Android 17's Home Page   View IP for Android 17

Hmmmm...this is an english/literature forum...correcrt?

Well, if so...could I get some tips one improving my writing/poems? Everyone tells me that I'm good...but I know better!
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1 posted 09-11-2001 06:09 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Honestly - to incorporate improvement of your writing I suggest you post some poems in the critical analysis forum...

improving your writing requires more than advice from a forum - it takes active involvement and the ability to accept criticism and suggestions for improvement - and the ability to discern if the person giving the advice is talking sense or not  

Read - read all the poetry you can - from the classics to the new...if you want to write short stories or novels - I strongly recommend a writing class...

no time to write more - I would go on and on if I could...but feel free to ask me to expand on anything of the above if you want.

K

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2 posted 09-22-2001 01:02 AM       View Profile for Jamie   Email Jamie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jamie's Home Page   View IP for Jamie

Would you please expand on all the above  K?

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3 posted 09-24-2001 12:30 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Yes...I would like to see more action in this expansion tank.This is my first visit here, and it leaves me very thirsty, so I'll go expand my horizons with a fizzy grownup beverage, and return another time to this filling station, where rhyme and time are given space to wax poeticly, dripping all over the page awaiting clean-up. How's that for a run-on? I really do have some real questions about "proper" English grammer...er....grammar?
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4 posted 09-24-2001 03:41 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

You're a pain Jamie...now that is a commonly-used, idiomatic metaphor, often expressed in many Western nations...hehehehehe...

Midnitesun - well..we need some excitement in here (as I'm sure you've noticed   so feel free to ramble on here to your heart's content...

K
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5 posted 09-25-2001 07:34 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

I'll expound on the reading section of the program if I may Madame Moderator???  

Reading other poetry is very important.  It gives you ideas, takes your work in directions that you might never have thought of.  It shows you what's worked, what hasn't worked, and what might have worked.

Like K said, you should read as much poetry as possible.  Everyone and anyone.  From Poe to Cummings, from Ovid to Sylvia Plath, and everyone in between.

Let the words fill you, let them speak to you, it's like being in a class with the poet, they're speaking to you from the page.  Learn from them.

I like to go to the library, and just pick out 5 or 10 books of poetry by different poets and just take them home and read them.  All kinds of poets, from all kinds of traditions and walks of life.  Anthologies are great here, they give you good cross-sections of many poets.  You read the book, and if you find a few poets that you want to know more about, you go back to the library to see if they have more by that particular poet.

I've read lots of poetry.  I read Cummings in high school and haven't stopped.  A lot of what I write has his influence in it.  Dickinson too, and James Joyce.  I'll read any kind of poetry, and I've got tons of it in my library right now.  It all gets read, it gives me ideas, and helps me to learn from the best. . .

So, read everything that you can get your hands on. . . take notes. . .see what they did, learn from them. . . you'll get better, and maybe one day, you'll join them on that shelf.

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[This message has been edited by Sven (edited 09-25-2001).]

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6 posted 09-27-2001 12:57 AM       View Profile for Jamie   Email Jamie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jamie's Home Page   View IP for Jamie

A pain? Me?? I'm innocent I tell you. You know how I am truly interested.  

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7 posted 09-27-2001 03:47 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Well - I think Sven has expounded pretty well don't you?  

K
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8 posted 09-28-2001 06:50 PM       View Profile for Jamie   Email Jamie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jamie's Home Page   View IP for Jamie

yea--- but his typing isn't near as pretty as yours...heh
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9 posted 09-29-2001 11:35 AM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

humph. . . I'd say that my typing is very pretty thank you!!!!  

I do believe that I've been insulted. . . Sir, I demand satisfaction!!  (LOL)



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10 posted 10-02-2001 06:21 AM       View Profile for Bec   Email Bec   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bec

I'm in the midst of a communication degree at university, and I'm taking a lot of writing courses. All my tutors and lecturers tell us that if we want to improve our own work, read widely the work of others. You can sample other styles, try them on and find what works for you.

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11 posted 11-26-2001 04:02 PM       View Profile for Android 17   Email Android 17   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Android 17's Home Page   View IP for Android 17

Hmmmm...thanks y'all! But I look at my up and coming ideas and think it's nothing to match the competition. I think of ideas that'll be good now---not in the future. I wish I could write 6 months worth of story into 5 minutes...but oh well!

"Fighting was the only thing I was good at...but I at least I always fought for what I beleived in..."

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12 posted 12-02-2001 02:03 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

You'll never be able to avoid the competition   and honestly...while good ideas are obviously essential, you have to try; you have to start somewhere. My creative writing tutor this year (a successful novelist and short story author with 20 years experience) still gets stuck for ideas...he has one story he's been trying to write for 10 years!

Ignore the competition in terms of thinking of how you can't succeed simply because others are out there and 'better' than you. Use the competition for your advantage - look at what their doing...learn from them..

K
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13 posted 01-14-2002 07:35 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Looking back at this - I wanted to take a moemnt to agree with Kamla (a uniquely historic event, I'm sure).

Definitely focus on the 'competition' as you would a textbook - THEY are your research, the manner through which you can improve your writing, and possibly develop new ideas from.

I do kind of disagree with what's said above as far as a writing class. If you want to find out the rules of "a" and "an" a writing class (or rather an English class) might be very helpful. But the best way to improve your writing (as many many many authors have said, and that I've seen in my own experience with my own writing) is two things:

Read.

Write.

Do those, and you'll improve your writing far more, I think, than by attending a writing class.

C

(agreement and arguement in one post - man that feels refreshing)

[This message has been edited by Christopher (01-14-2002 07:36 AM).]

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14 posted 01-31-2002 09:13 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

And just how many writing classes have you attended C? - just so we can all validate your opinion...

Eheheheheheeeee....

K
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15 posted 10-04-2002 04:02 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

interesting... just running through some older stuff here (actually looking for a specific reply, but can't remember the particular post, lol) and realized i hadn't replied!

K - i have been, all told, since High School, to a grand total of exactly one writing class. in addition, i wasted a lot of money on a year's subscription to Writers Digest magazine. (i say wasted, because i could have spent the three bucks on a single issue, which would have given me the same info a year's worth did).

 
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