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Marge Tindal
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0 posted 2000-01-17 08:07 AM


'I Have A Dream'
~Marge Tindal~ 2000


He believed in the dream.
His purpose well-taken.
The world of his people
repeatedly shaken.

He had a dream.
Learn what he tried to teach.
A dream of peace
within our reach.

He had a dream,
far from being realized yet.
Peace among us all,
no cause for regret.

We still have a dream
to rise to the call.
Walk the land together ...
with liberty and justice for all.

*Excerpt from Martin Luther King, Jr's speech.

I Have a Dream...
"...that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.' I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today."





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1 posted 2000-01-17 11:19 AM


I have a dream too.
That one day all white, men,woman and children will no longer be held responsible
for all that the past generations have put
the African Americans through.



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2 posted 2000-01-17 12:13 PM


Marge, this is so inspiring....he was truly a giant among the human race. His contributions will never be forgotten. Everything he stood for is admirable and something we should all strive for in our lives. Everytime I hear his speech, his 'dream', I am once again filled with such a feeling of peace and hope that we will one day reach that goal and fulfill that dream.

Thanks for sharing this, Marge! Very appropriate, I believe, on this or any other day.



 Denise

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Whose winnings are less than his worth;
For he who is honest is noble,
Whatever his fortunes or birth.~~~Alice Cary, ~Nobility~


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3 posted 2000-01-17 02:44 PM


I have to agree with SnglDad.
I had left my comment out but after reading
the other replies,I felt I should say something.
I dont think that anyone should have MLK and his speeches pushed on them any more than anyone should have KKK and their speeches,
pushed on them.
And there is no way in hell that MLK and George Washington should ever be used in the same sentence together.
One is the Father of our country and the other was a leader of his kind and only his kind.
And Ron it is a holiday for those states that
wish to celebrate it.
The last time I checked South Carolina was one of our 50 states and they dont celebrate
MLK`s birthday.



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4 posted 2000-01-17 03:27 PM


The quote is obviously meant to add depth and understanding to the poem, and certainly falls within "fair use" doctrine. More importantly, neither the poem nor the quote (or anything within the entire speech) can easily be seen as an "attack" against anyone. Rather than promote hate, the intention was to promote an absence of hate - which I see as a significant if subtle point.

Those who are old enough to have lived through those turbulent and often violent times might recall that the occasion of this famous speech was one of the few truly peaceful demonstrations we saw at that time. That, more than anything I think, bespeaks of its intent. Whether you agree with the theme of the speech or of the poem is largely irrelevant - the Congress that American citizens elected thought it important enough to warrant a national holiday. That makes the poem no different than a celebration of Abe Lincoln or George Washington. Some might arguably see MLK's speech as an attack against a race, but it would be equally easy to argue the Gettysburg Address was a glorification of war. Fortunately, the majority of people realize both were invitations to peace.

The poem is a wonderful tribute, Marge, and a reminder of why this day should be important to all of us.

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5 posted 2000-01-17 03:40 PM


A wonderful tribute, Marge,  to both the man and the dream of peace he had.  I agree with Ron, I find the graphic and the "speech" add to the depth of the piece, and help show the inspiration.  Beautifully done.

Michael

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6 posted 2000-01-17 04:46 PM


Wonderful poem Marge--I echo Michael on this.

 In the dew of little things,
the heart finds its morning
and is refreshed.
(ee cummings)

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7 posted 2000-01-17 06:11 PM


I also echo Michael and Ron's sentiments. It is hard for me to find fault with a man who preaches non-violence as a means to secure peace and equal rights for his people, be it MLK, Chinese dissidents, Ghandi or anyone around the world who simply wants the same basic rights as others. Excellent work, Marge.
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8 posted 2000-01-17 06:43 PM


I'm trying to say it carefully here.
I see how far the replies are apart.
A man who loves peace is a good man.
I agree with Ron, Michael, Balladeer and Martie.
Give peace a chance.
In all that excitement I forgot to say no matter what. A nice poem you have written Marge, I like it a lot. Not that I was overly exited about the discussion. It was about your poem  
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Seymour Tabin
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9 posted 2000-01-17 07:36 PM


Marge,
A dream is a dream, is a dream,
God bless the peaceful dreamers.
But I fear never the less,it is a dream.
*L* Sy

SnglDad
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10 posted 2000-01-17 07:42 PM


I think most of you have only read parts of
what MLK had to say in his speeches.
First off, If you read up on MLK a little
more than you have, you will see that he
believed that all races should some day be as one.
Now being a father of 3 I do not wish to have
any of my kids marry out of their race.
This is not only my feeling but the feeling of many of my friends as well,and growing
up in a big town have friends of many different nationalities.

[This message has been edited by SnglDad (edited 01-18-2000).]

Rosemary J. Gwaltney
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11 posted 2000-01-17 07:56 PM


I am stunned by the variety of responses here.  It brings home to me even more, why MLK wished for peace.  I agree with dsnyder, Ron, Michael, Martie, Balladeer, and HelmutB.

Ah, Seymour, I fear your words are too wise.

And even in my own life, I have learned that there is little justice in this world, no matter what subject you are speaking of.

Marge, your poem was lovely.  A thoughtful, meaningful poem, well worded.  Thank you for sharing it.

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12 posted 2000-01-17 08:23 PM


I too think that you have done a
very nice job Marge as a writer.
Im sorry that I can`t agree with all of the replies.
I do wish for peace but not if it means that I have to sacrifice my own belief.

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13 posted 2000-01-17 08:44 PM


A great man with a great message which was heard around the world. Non-violence, peace, the dignity and worth of all men and equality. All universal ideals. One man greatly influenced the world, but there is still a long road ahead. Marge, a very beautiful tribute
Liz

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14 posted 2000-01-17 10:05 PM


Awesome Marge......Done so well

 Drive it like you stole it...LOL And another thing...When I rev my engine I want people to think the world is coming to a end....hehehe



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15 posted 2000-01-17 10:23 PM


well i would like to stay out of the contoversy here and just leave a comment of the poem itself which i think is great marge.......enjoyed it a lot thanks....
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There is only one race here
the human one you see
for you cannot tell the color
of the skin that envelopes me

God did not make us the same
we are free verse and rhyme
and knowing this do you think
He'd make only one color at a time

Judge me not by the color of my skin
judge me by my the goodness of soul
live with me, as I do you
together, one world as a whole

You may have an opinion
that's different some time
but that's ok, because you see
we are free verse
we are rhyme


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17 posted 2000-01-17 10:57 PM


Marge, this poem is grand, and I thank you for sharing it here. Share it with the world, I say. Be assured that Dr. King's words, his actions, his life, continue to speak to us all, whether we hear it in the joyous  beating of our hearts, or in the darkened, culpable pounding of our consciences.

Dear LadyClaire


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18 posted 2000-01-17 10:59 PM


Marge, EXELLENT girl!   Devine one what can I say, YOU SAID IT!!  God created all the races, and wishes us to live in harmony, it matters not what's on the outside, but what is on the inside!!
God Bless America!

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there is love.
Where there is love,
there is peace.
Where there is peace,
there is GOD.
Where there is GOD,
there is no need.

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19 posted 2000-01-17 11:02 PM


Marge...what a lovely and fitting tribute to a man who accomplished more in his short 39 years than some of us will accomplish in our lifetime  
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Denise-
Having been inspired also by the quest for peace by Martin Luther King, Jr.,among others, I am glad that you also feel that the reach for peace is worthy of our efforts. Thank you, my friend.

Ron-
What a remarkable response. It's obvious that you, are not only knowledgable of Martin Luther King, Jr's entire speech, but of the significance of our country's attention to perserving the rights and freedoms of us all. I thank you, my friend.

Michael-
You are most perceptive in your grasp of the 'inspiration' behind my poem.
My admiration of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s
dedication to his 'dream' is my inspiration.
Bless you, Michael.

Martie-
Thank you, my friend.  I am personally pleased that you found the poem, the graphic and the quote of Martin Luther King, Jr., to also be significant.

Balladeer-
Wow !
Non-violence, peace, equal rights, and basic rights ... pretty powerful reasons for a cause, huh?
I will always hope that someone comes
along to continue 'dreaming' the 'dream'
that Martin Luther King, Jr. aspired to.

Helmut Becker-
'Peace deserves a chance'
LET IT BEGIN WITH ME !
Thank you my dear friend.

Seymour-
God DOES bless the peaceful dreamers.
In due time, may we all be equally blessed.
Thank you, my friend.

Rosemary-
Oh that we could all be 'seekers of peace'
as strongly as Martin Luther King, Jr. and others have been.
Someday, it will come.  We all carry the
torch within us to make it happen.
Thanks to you and Dale.

Elizabeth, my friend-
Yes, I agree ... 'the road is long',
but never too long. I'm in condition ...
how 'bout you gal?

First_Knight-
It's an 'awesome' goal for sure.
Thank you, my friend.

CatsLair-
Thank you for liking what I wrote.

PoetdeVine-
What a sensitive and touching poem.
My, it deserves a post of it's own.
Thank you for your wonderful thoughts.

MeadowMuse-
How wonderful are your views on this.
Thank you.

WhiteDove-
God Blesses America for sure.
Peace and harmony hold hands.
Glad to join hands with so many wonderful
people in the cause.

Hoot-
So true, my friend.  So very, very true.
Thirty nine years ... most of it spent
stiving for equality and peace.  We should all be so inspired.

********************************************

I thank my lucky stars and my God that I live in a land where someone can have an opinion that differs from mine and that I don't have to sacrifice MY beliefs to accommodate them.

I believe the quote from Gibbon states:

'I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinion I have no respect.'

So, I won't.
~Marge~


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21 posted 2000-01-17 11:21 PM


I do not see what is wrong with living in peace together with each other. PoetdeVine you have said it so nicely. It's doesn't matter of what colour we are, we are all human. To live side by side in peace can this not be "To be one"?
They say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" John Lennon
neither am I
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22 posted 2000-01-18 12:42 PM


Hi Marge. Wonderful poem and tribute to a man who deserves to be remembered. And to some repliers: What? Someone marry out of their race? Last time I checked, we were all human beings. Looks like what Public Enemy once said was true: we have fear of a black planet. Bigotry is a much more subtle things these days -- it doesn't have to be as in your face as KKK to be racist.

Mike, whose hot button hath been pushed  

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23 posted 2000-01-18 01:13 AM


SNGL DAD...WOW...THIS IS A REPLY TO YOU...FIRST OFF..OPEN POETRY WELCOMES ALL..OPEN...SECOND AS A MARINE...AS A PERSON..I AM SHOCKED STILL BY MANY PEOPLES THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON RACE...WE ALL HAVE A HEART AND A SOUL...THUS IF YOU DO ANY RESEARCH ON ANYTHING LIVING ...WE ARE THE ONLY SPECIES THAT FRETS ON SUCH PETTY THINGS...WHAT IF WE WERE BLIND...WE'D PROBALY DISCRIMINATE ON SMELL... SOMETIMES I WONDER WHY WE ARE EVEN FIGHTING FOR ANYTHING...BUT AS REPRESENTITVES OF YOUR COUNTRY...FIRST OFF I HAVE TO RESPECT YOUR OPINION... BUT KEEP IN MIND THE WORD OPEN... TRY TO BE A LITTLE MORE OPEN MINDED.MARGE AWESOME...THATS WHY THE FEW US FIGHT FOR THIS AWESOME COUNTRY... IN HOPES OF LIVING OUT THE DREAM OF EVERY AMERICAN...
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24 posted 2000-01-18 02:42 AM


Marge, I love the poem and the sentiment. Peace is a lofty but worthy goal. I agree that as an ancestor of a DWEM (dead white european male) that I as a person should not be held accountable for things that happened to other races way back in the day. All I can do is try to treat people the way I want to be treated regardless of skin color, ethnic background, religious affiliation, vocal accent, hair color, style, clothing one wishes to wear (or not wear), or food one wishes to eat. I would love to be able to sit at a table with diverse people and talk and learn things from them and maybe they can learn from me as well without confrontation. So far the only place I have ever seen that kind of diversity is at the Mission on Thanksgiving when I was in a serving line. It was very enlightening. All these people with one common goal. To eat, be clothed and sheltered. If I was homeless believe me I couldn't care less what the person sleeping in the bunk next to me looked like. Life is just too short for all the little predjudices that seem to abound. Anyway I'm off my box now....sorry I really wanted to get that out. Great job on the piece and the graphics.

 Poetry~ Words falling on paper, painting a dream.

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25 posted 2000-01-18 02:55 AM


I'm astonished...!!! I'm mostli cherokee, and I hear the slam "where's the turkey pagan" just bout every year. why arnot you fightin over what color that turkeyis.
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26 posted 2000-01-18 04:31 AM


Isn't it amazing what one person can do with a dream?  Great tribute to someone so deserving!


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Everyone has opinions, as I have....There's alotta things I liked about Dr. King, I've met him, my brother marched with him, I've sung many "freedom" songs and even helped write some....I feel as though his intentions and wishes were sincere....I know his lifestyle wasn't the type thing that we would want our children to copy....but is yours? God knows mine isn't....Clintons?....I'm afraid Dr. King wouldn't be at all happy with what's taken place since his death...But things seem to run in vicious circles..Dr. King was for freedom, peace and equality...Not just for the people of his race...but all races. I don't think he'd agree with affirmative action..and as we all know, would not concur with any sort of violence. Sometimes when an idea meant for the good is twisted around, the exact opposite happens. Many years ago when large companies took advantage of it's employees, unions were formed and were needed.....now many feel as though unions are ruining our economy and greed has taken over.....Companies are moving plants to Mexico just so they can compete with the Japanese and others....Dr. King would be sickened to know that anyone would be hired because of the color of their skin. White or Black or other....These were not his intentions....nor his dream.....When we honor someone...it's for the "good" they had....We all have little secrets.....We all have things we wouldn't want others to know about....Dr. King had many that I know about, but I know because of acquaintance and the press....and believe me....he's never done anything nearly as terrible as I have...nor as many of you probably have done...George Washington, Bill Clinton, JFK, Bobby Kennedy, (most all the Kennedy's for that matter), and most everyone alive have their "bad things".....I guess Christ is really the only one that can throw stones...and he wouldn't..
Look for the good in people...cuz if you're always looking for something you don't like....you won't like too many people at all.....Dr. King had many more good attributes then bad....and alot of what's happening today with race relations....is not exactly what he had in mind.....



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28 posted 2000-01-18 08:10 AM


Toe, excellente', dear fellow human being living breathing thinking feeling writing type person.  

Claire

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29 posted 2000-01-18 08:39 AM


Helmut Becker-
Joining voices with John Lennon,
Thank God we all can sing of the
coming of peace.
Okay, so a few sing off-key ...
but they will want the peace when it comes.

Mike-
I LIKE YOUR BUTTON !

Arcadia-
What a resounding response.  Thank you.
The 'dream of every American' is a noble cause that you uphold.
I can sleep and dream ... when great men like you keep the vigil.


Wild Child-
Thank you for your comments of wisdom.
We are all not held accountable for the deeds of others before us ... but do look at many of those acts with disdain.
We look deeper to the peace within us all.

Lucky-
Sharing your Cherokee heritage, I also seek the peace of which we all dream.
Thank you for sharing your views.

Echo-
Thank you so much.
May we all live to dream many dreams
and see them fulfilled.


It is my belief that Martin Luther King, Jr. would have enjoyed the ~spirit~ that lives in the majority of us.  And the others would give him cause to continue his quest for fulfillment peaceful goals. ~*Marge*~


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30 posted 2000-01-18 08:46 AM


Toe, You bring up the most important point. The truths he spoke were universal truths, not just for any one race, and that is why he had universal appeal, and that is why his legacy will live for a very long time.
Liz

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31 posted 2000-01-18 10:56 AM


Darn it Marge! ( smile ) I was going to post a Martin Luther King poem but that's okay because, your poem took the words out of my mouth. This is one of your best poems I've read too. I truly love it.
Now it's time to stick my two senses up in here. Now some of you may already know that I'm an African-American and here's what I've got to say:
Okay, SnglDad, I see what you  mean but it's all a mental thing and you seem to be losing the war.
To Boots, MLk represents for everyone just like Wash. represents for everyone. King just happened to represent for a particular race. You can't ignore the past. You might as well face it because MLK will always be remembered especially round this time of the year.
And no SC don't really celebrate his birthday because, they're one the most racially-motivated states. I know you've all heard about the Confederate flag thing. And yes, I'm originally from SC, so I know these things.
To Ron, brillaint post. You sure talk with a lot of intelligence and morality.
Same goes for you too Balladeer!
To Seymour, So few words but a whole lot of meaning. You're so right because, in some ways, MLK's dream is still a dream.
To SnglDad, nice post and i feel the same way that you do!


 Nathan

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32 posted 2000-01-18 11:07 AM


Marge (and all other repliers coming back to check on the responses)~
I have been sitting quietly, watching the opinions roll by.  I know very little about MLK, other than "I have a dream" and the stereotypical, very opinionated things about him and what he represented.  And, BOOTS and NATE DOG, I am a South Carolinian.  To be honest, I could care less about what happened "millions of years ago" with the birth of the African American thing.  To be honest, I don't want to read up on MLK and what he represented.  This is not to belittle him or his "dream".  I am living in the present, and without the stories of the past, I can see the state of our union today.  I have friends of all different races.  My neighbors are all different colors, yellow, dark-skinned and I would swear one of them is green under his clothes!  But it doesn't matter.  I believe in doing the "right thing" and honoring morals and upholding ethics that I believe would be admirable of ANY human.  I don't judge.  And perhaps that's what should drive all of us...not so much to force past happenings and people on others, but deal with what we have before us.  If people were just kind, and followed what a true heart would prescribe, the world would be a better place.  Perhaps that is better stated a dream of today.  "Why can't we all be friends?" (make sure to whine when you say that! hahaha).  Perhaps online is a great demonstration.  Nate, I had no idea you were African-American.  But it doesn't matter.  In type we are all the same.  Our views are different, but we are all the same (almost, thanks to the great variety of fonts and colors) type and AIN'T IT GRAND that we can express our individualities here in America?  God Bless all who read this, and celebrate EVERYDAY as if it was a stride toward peace.

Sherry

 "Heaven is under our feet as well as over our heads." ~Henry David Thoreau



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33 posted 2000-01-18 11:37 AM


I don't think we'll know racial equality... or any other true equality during our lifetimes. Entitlement is too ingrained.  As long as people expect to be given special treatment because of their color, resentments will fester and impede peaceful relationships.
I dream that people succeed in the workplace based on merit... their only impediment being their lack of skills. I'd love for every child to have the opportunity to learn in well-equipped schools... where the classes prepare them for life, not street talk.
If only we could be judged by our actions instead of our ancestors and by our compassion rather than our complexion.

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34 posted 2000-01-18 12:41 PM


Toe-
You must have been posting as I was trying to get dressed for work this morning and intermittently preparing my thanks to all who had replied.  
No slight intended, my friend.
What a wonderful response from your perspective.  I like to think that we would honor any person who sought to bring about his convictions for the HUMAN RACE, too.
Little does it matter that Martin Luther King, Jr's skin pigment is different than mine ... I HEAR HIS SPEECH ... I DREAM HIS DREAM, too.
Thank you, friend.

Elizabeth, my friend
Yes, I agree that Toe has MANY important parts!  

Nathan-
There you are ... all I can say is wow! to your response.  Well, that and to let you know that respect for one another is 'color-blind' .... I respect you for the quality of your feelings that repeatedly shows up in the things you write.
Thank you for being YOU.

SimplyYrrehS-
We all live for tomorrow, but I do take time to remember that we got here through a whole bunch of yesteryears.
Thanks for your comments.

Suthern-
Thank you for responding.  We all still continue to dream of a tomorrow that doesn't have prejudice in it.
Perhaps the dream is still alive.
God knows, I pray that it is also.




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35 posted 2000-01-18 05:37 PM


WoW,
I didn`t know that their were so many experts on MLK.

Nate???
To Boots, MLk represents for everyone just like Wash. represents for everyone. King just happened to represent for a particular race.
The Key word here is :EVERYONE
One particular race is NOT everyone.
And thank you for that input Nate,I think
that say`s what I`ve been trying to say.
MLK didn`t fight for everyone,he faught for his people and no other`s.
Do you think that he would be proud of
"his people" today?
NO...why?
Because his fight was for ALL his race, but today the majority of fight`s (legal one`s)
are for self-gratification and nothing more.
Im not trying to say he wasn`t a great leader,but he was a leader for the African American`s and no one else.
MLK didn`t use the color of his skin to get what he wanted, again he used the power of his words.
Today some think the world is owed to them just because of the color of their skin.
I dont have any slaves in my home and I had NOTHING to do with the past generations and their way of life.
I don`t agree with alot of what my past generation had put the African American`s
thru but I wasn`t there, so I owe no one a thing.
If some of those that have made comments in here would read a little deeper instead of just what they see on the T.V. they would understand.
And the only diff. between me and alot of other`s in here is that I stand for what I believe in and the other`s hide behind their word`s.
I have no battle to lose because Im not fighting one.
Most people in here are just saying what other`s wanna hear and not what they truly
feel or believe in.
Them are the one`s that are scared.
Im sorry if my word`s have offended anyone,
they were not meant to.
It`s just that I stand for what i truly believe in and I speak what I feel.
Have A Nice Day EVERYONE  

MARGE: Im sorry for creating such a stir on here.I think you have done a great job and
in no way did I mean to take any credit away
where credit is due.GREAT JOB AND THANX FOR SHARING  


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Nate Dogg
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since 1999-11-15
Posts 1658
Georgia, Fulton
36 posted 2000-01-18 06:11 PM


Sorry Marge, I just had to respond back to some of these messages.
To Simply, god bless you too. I was just hurt at your seemingly lack of concern for MLK.
To Suthern, I whole-heartedly agree with you!
Now to Sngldad, I really meant to say that even though MLK represented a particular group, he still represented for everyone because whatever he said, thought, or did, affected America and that's means EVERYONE!!
So I'm sorry if I mislead you a bit.
God bless!


 Nathan

SnglDad
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since 2000-01-08
Posts 115
Seattle area
37 posted 2000-01-18 06:21 PM


Not Mislead,
I thought mabey you had more knowledge of MLK than the others??I grew up in a place many of you have never seen outside of the news,and I was very well schooled on this subject so no you havent mislead me in anyway.

Marge Tindal
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38 posted 2000-01-18 07:52 PM


This will be (hopefully) my last posted response to this tribute to the man I believe was a genuine peace seeker for, not only the people of African American heritage, but for seeking to enlighten and inspire us with his words of sincerity in seeking peace among us ALL.

*To SnglDad I personally respond now.*

Trust me, you in NO WAY detracted from the intent or quality of my feelings.  And you certainly can not draw any 'credit' away from my poem AND certainly you take no credit away from the life-work of Martin Luther King, Jr.

You only served to remind us that ...
some people have a ~dream~ and others live a nightmare.

I stand for what I believe in and do not cower or hide behind my words. I also believe in what I write and am so firm in those beliefs that I don't need to go in and continually EDIT my responses so that it alters the appearance of what I posted in the first place.

I also believe that the responders here stated what THEY believe in and unfortunately, for you, that isn't what you want to see.

PEACE-LOVE-MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.-PEACE-LOVE-GEORGE WASHINGTON-PEACE-LOVE-ABRAHAM LINCOLN-PEACE-LOVE-JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY, JR.-PEACE-LOVE-ELEANOR ROOSEVELT-PEACE-LOVE-GHANDI-PEACE-LOVE-MOTHER TERESA-PEACE-LOVE



 ~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~
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SnglDad
Member
since 2000-01-08
Posts 115
Seattle area
39 posted 2000-01-18 08:05 PM


Some have dream`s and some work hard to fulfill their dream.I`ve worked hard so that
my dream is within reach.
Some choose to live a sheltered life behind their words and other choose to live life free and able to express them selves.
I live no nightmare,I live a very happy care free life and the Ignorance of others doesn`t
upset me.
It would appear that your own lack of knowledge has upset you.
If you were to keep an open mind and ear
you might see that you have alot to learn.
you have a GREAT DAY MARGE      
And yes I did edit my orig. reply because of a statement that was made about this being an OPEN forum and I felt the comment about the MLK quote was uncalled for so i took it out.
Not because I need to hide behind my words.
Again HAVE A GREAT DAY AND GOD BLESS  



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SnglDad
Member
since 2000-01-08
Posts 115
Seattle area
40 posted 2000-01-19 05:02 PM


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RainbowGirl
Member Elite
since 1999-07-31
Posts 3023
United Kingdom
41 posted 2000-01-19 05:07 PM


For what it is worth and the same post will go on both poems...

I am not responsible for the past only for how I try to make the future and that is one of peace amongst all races.

HUGS

 Don't ask me where I'm going, just listen when I'm gone and far away you'll hear me singing softly to the dawn.


Parker
Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129
ON
42 posted 2000-01-19 05:51 PM


Marge, May I add PEACE-LOVE John Lennon....
and lets not forget PEACE-LOVE JESUS CHRIST.

Just a wonderfull poem. Parker  

Severn
Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
Posts 7704

43 posted 2000-01-19 09:42 PM


Hello?
I am one of two regularly posting New Zealanders in Open (that I am aware of)

So - as I agree that MLK spoke for all - or rather that ALL can embrace his dream I must say:

GOD BLESS NEW ZEALAND! LOL - and the world.

Race is a concept only - moving to the subtler notion of ethnicity - and all concepts can be changed - more than a dream, I think it is a dream in progress. Every ethnicity is beautiful, and we are all human - and deserve all equality.

Love your poem Marge(Y)

K

vlraynes
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since 2000-07-25
Posts 8229
Somewhere... out there...
44 posted 2000-11-20 03:23 AM



Marge-
   PEACE~LOVE to you, my friend.  

   love you,
   -vicky




"...until you have read the verse on his
heart, you have not truely met the poet."
-vlraynes



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