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'I Have A Dream'

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lucky
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25 posted 01-18-2000 02:55 AM       View Profile for lucky   Email lucky   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for lucky

I'm astonished...!!! I'm mostli cherokee, and I hear the slam "where's the turkey pagan" just bout every year. why arnot you fightin over what color that turkeyis.
Echo Rhayne
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26 posted 01-18-2000 04:31 AM       View Profile for Echo Rhayne   Email Echo Rhayne   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Echo Rhayne

Isn't it amazing what one person can do with a dream?  Great tribute to someone so deserving!


 ~*~ ^i^ ~*~ Love is such a lonely art, and death is but a taste. Minds are merely instruments that often go to waste! ~*~ ^i^ ~*~


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27 posted 01-18-2000 07:46 AM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

Everyone has opinions, as I have....There's alotta things I liked about Dr. King, I've met him, my brother marched with him, I've sung many "freedom" songs and even helped write some....I feel as though his intentions and wishes were sincere....I know his lifestyle wasn't the type thing that we would want our children to copy....but is yours? God knows mine isn't....Clintons?....I'm afraid Dr. King wouldn't be at all happy with what's taken place since his death...But things seem to run in vicious circles..Dr. King was for freedom, peace and equality...Not just for the people of his race...but all races. I don't think he'd agree with affirmative action..and as we all know, would not concur with any sort of violence. Sometimes when an idea meant for the good is twisted around, the exact opposite happens. Many years ago when large companies took advantage of it's employees, unions were formed and were needed.....now many feel as though unions are ruining our economy and greed has taken over.....Companies are moving plants to Mexico just so they can compete with the Japanese and others....Dr. King would be sickened to know that anyone would be hired because of the color of their skin. White or Black or other....These were not his intentions....nor his dream.....When we honor someone...it's for the "good" they had....We all have little secrets.....We all have things we wouldn't want others to know about....Dr. King had many that I know about, but I know because of acquaintance and the press....and believe me....he's never done anything nearly as terrible as I have...nor as many of you probably have done...George Washington, Bill Clinton, JFK, Bobby Kennedy, (most all the Kennedy's for that matter), and most everyone alive have their "bad things".....I guess Christ is really the only one that can throw stones...and he wouldn't..
Look for the good in people...cuz if you're always looking for something you don't like....you won't like too many people at all.....Dr. King had many more good attributes then bad....and alot of what's happening today with race relations....is not exactly what he had in mind.....



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Meadowmuse
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28 posted 01-18-2000 08:10 AM       View Profile for Meadowmuse   Email Meadowmuse   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Meadowmuse's Home Page   View IP for Meadowmuse

Toe, excellente', dear fellow human being living breathing thinking feeling writing type person.  

Claire
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29 posted 01-18-2000 08:39 AM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Helmut Becker-
Joining voices with John Lennon,
Thank God we all can sing of the
coming of peace.
Okay, so a few sing off-key ...
but they will want the peace when it comes.

Mike-
I LIKE YOUR BUTTON !

Arcadia-
What a resounding response.  Thank you.
The 'dream of every American' is a noble cause that you uphold.
I can sleep and dream ... when great men like you keep the vigil.


Wild Child-
Thank you for your comments of wisdom.
We are all not held accountable for the deeds of others before us ... but do look at many of those acts with disdain.
We look deeper to the peace within us all.

Lucky-
Sharing your Cherokee heritage, I also seek the peace of which we all dream.
Thank you for sharing your views.

Echo-
Thank you so much.
May we all live to dream many dreams
and see them fulfilled.


It is my belief that Martin Luther King, Jr. would have enjoyed the ~spirit~ that lives in the majority of us.  And the others would give him cause to continue his quest for fulfillment peaceful goals. ~*Marge*~


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Elizabeth Santos
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30 posted 01-18-2000 08:46 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth Santos   Email Elizabeth Santos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Elizabeth Santos

Toe, You bring up the most important point. The truths he spoke were universal truths, not just for any one race, and that is why he had universal appeal, and that is why his legacy will live for a very long time.
Liz
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31 posted 01-18-2000 10:56 AM       View Profile for Nate Dogg   Email Nate Dogg   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nate Dogg's Home Page   View IP for Nate Dogg

Darn it Marge! ( smile ) I was going to post a Martin Luther King poem but that's okay because, your poem took the words out of my mouth. This is one of your best poems I've read too. I truly love it.
Now it's time to stick my two senses up in here. Now some of you may already know that I'm an African-American and here's what I've got to say:
Okay, SnglDad, I see what you  mean but it's all a mental thing and you seem to be losing the war.
To Boots, MLk represents for everyone just like Wash. represents for everyone. King just happened to represent for a particular race. You can't ignore the past. You might as well face it because MLK will always be remembered especially round this time of the year.
And no SC don't really celebrate his birthday because, they're one the most racially-motivated states. I know you've all heard about the Confederate flag thing. And yes, I'm originally from SC, so I know these things.
To Ron, brillaint post. You sure talk with a lot of intelligence and morality.
Same goes for you too Balladeer!
To Seymour, So few words but a whole lot of meaning. You're so right because, in some ways, MLK's dream is still a dream.
To SnglDad, nice post and i feel the same way that you do!


 Nathan
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32 posted 01-18-2000 11:07 AM       View Profile for simplyYRREHS   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for simplyYRREHS

Marge (and all other repliers coming back to check on the responses)~
I have been sitting quietly, watching the opinions roll by.  I know very little about MLK, other than "I have a dream" and the stereotypical, very opinionated things about him and what he represented.  And, BOOTS and NATE DOG, I am a South Carolinian.  To be honest, I could care less about what happened "millions of years ago" with the birth of the African American thing.  To be honest, I don't want to read up on MLK and what he represented.  This is not to belittle him or his "dream".  I am living in the present, and without the stories of the past, I can see the state of our union today.  I have friends of all different races.  My neighbors are all different colors, yellow, dark-skinned and I would swear one of them is green under his clothes!  But it doesn't matter.  I believe in doing the "right thing" and honoring morals and upholding ethics that I believe would be admirable of ANY human.  I don't judge.  And perhaps that's what should drive all of us...not so much to force past happenings and people on others, but deal with what we have before us.  If people were just kind, and followed what a true heart would prescribe, the world would be a better place.  Perhaps that is better stated a dream of today.  "Why can't we all be friends?" (make sure to whine when you say that! hahaha).  Perhaps online is a great demonstration.  Nate, I had no idea you were African-American.  But it doesn't matter.  In type we are all the same.  Our views are different, but we are all the same (almost, thanks to the great variety of fonts and colors) type and AIN'T IT GRAND that we can express our individualities here in America?  God Bless all who read this, and celebrate EVERYDAY as if it was a stride toward peace.

Sherry

 "Heaven is under our feet as well as over our heads." ~Henry David Thoreau


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33 posted 01-18-2000 11:37 AM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

I don't think we'll know racial equality... or any other true equality during our lifetimes. Entitlement is too ingrained.  As long as people expect to be given special treatment because of their color, resentments will fester and impede peaceful relationships.
I dream that people succeed in the workplace based on merit... their only impediment being their lack of skills. I'd love for every child to have the opportunity to learn in well-equipped schools... where the classes prepare them for life, not street talk.
If only we could be judged by our actions instead of our ancestors and by our compassion rather than our complexion.
Marge Tindal
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34 posted 01-18-2000 12:41 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Toe-
You must have been posting as I was trying to get dressed for work this morning and intermittently preparing my thanks to all who had replied.  
No slight intended, my friend.
What a wonderful response from your perspective.  I like to think that we would honor any person who sought to bring about his convictions for the HUMAN RACE, too.
Little does it matter that Martin Luther King, Jr's skin pigment is different than mine ... I HEAR HIS SPEECH ... I DREAM HIS DREAM, too.
Thank you, friend.

Elizabeth, my friend
Yes, I agree that Toe has MANY important parts!  

Nathan-
There you are ... all I can say is wow! to your response.  Well, that and to let you know that respect for one another is 'color-blind' .... I respect you for the quality of your feelings that repeatedly shows up in the things you write.
Thank you for being YOU.

SimplyYrrehS-
We all live for tomorrow, but I do take time to remember that we got here through a whole bunch of yesteryears.
Thanks for your comments.

Suthern-
Thank you for responding.  We all still continue to dream of a tomorrow that doesn't have prejudice in it.
Perhaps the dream is still alive.
God knows, I pray that it is also.




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SnglDad
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35 posted 01-18-2000 05:37 PM       View Profile for SnglDad   Email SnglDad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SnglDad

WoW,
I didn`t know that their were so many experts on MLK.

Nate???
To Boots, MLk represents for everyone just like Wash. represents for everyone. King just happened to represent for a particular race.
The Key word here is :EVERYONE
One particular race is NOT everyone.
And thank you for that input Nate,I think
that say`s what I`ve been trying to say.
MLK didn`t fight for everyone,he faught for his people and no other`s.
Do you think that he would be proud of
"his people" today?
NO...why?
Because his fight was for ALL his race, but today the majority of fight`s (legal one`s)
are for self-gratification and nothing more.
Im not trying to say he wasn`t a great leader,but he was a leader for the African American`s and no one else.
MLK didn`t use the color of his skin to get what he wanted, again he used the power of his words.
Today some think the world is owed to them just because of the color of their skin.
I dont have any slaves in my home and I had NOTHING to do with the past generations and their way of life.
I don`t agree with alot of what my past generation had put the African American`s
thru but I wasn`t there, so I owe no one a thing.
If some of those that have made comments in here would read a little deeper instead of just what they see on the T.V. they would understand.
And the only diff. between me and alot of other`s in here is that I stand for what I believe in and the other`s hide behind their word`s.
I have no battle to lose because Im not fighting one.
Most people in here are just saying what other`s wanna hear and not what they truly
feel or believe in.
Them are the one`s that are scared.
Im sorry if my word`s have offended anyone,
they were not meant to.
It`s just that I stand for what i truly believe in and I speak what I feel.
Have A Nice Day EVERYONE  

MARGE: Im sorry for creating such a stir on here.I think you have done a great job and
in no way did I mean to take any credit away
where credit is due.GREAT JOB AND THANX FOR SHARING  


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Nate Dogg
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36 posted 01-18-2000 06:11 PM       View Profile for Nate Dogg   Email Nate Dogg   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nate Dogg's Home Page   View IP for Nate Dogg

Sorry Marge, I just had to respond back to some of these messages.
To Simply, god bless you too. I was just hurt at your seemingly lack of concern for MLK.
To Suthern, I whole-heartedly agree with you!
Now to Sngldad, I really meant to say that even though MLK represented a particular group, he still represented for everyone because whatever he said, thought, or did, affected America and that's means EVERYONE!!
So I'm sorry if I mislead you a bit.
God bless!


 Nathan
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37 posted 01-18-2000 06:21 PM       View Profile for SnglDad   Email SnglDad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SnglDad

Not Mislead,
I thought mabey you had more knowledge of MLK than the others??I grew up in a place many of you have never seen outside of the news,and I was very well schooled on this subject so no you havent mislead me in anyway.
Marge Tindal
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38 posted 01-18-2000 07:52 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

This will be (hopefully) my last posted response to this tribute to the man I believe was a genuine peace seeker for, not only the people of African American heritage, but for seeking to enlighten and inspire us with his words of sincerity in seeking peace among us ALL.

*To SnglDad I personally respond now.*

Trust me, you in NO WAY detracted from the intent or quality of my feelings.  And you certainly can not draw any 'credit' away from my poem AND certainly you take no credit away from the life-work of Martin Luther King, Jr.

You only served to remind us that ...
some people have a ~dream~ and others live a nightmare.

I stand for what I believe in and do not cower or hide behind my words. I also believe in what I write and am so firm in those beliefs that I don't need to go in and continually EDIT my responses so that it alters the appearance of what I posted in the first place.

I also believe that the responders here stated what THEY believe in and unfortunately, for you, that isn't what you want to see.

PEACE-LOVE-MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.-PEACE-LOVE-GEORGE WASHINGTON-PEACE-LOVE-ABRAHAM LINCOLN-PEACE-LOVE-JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY, JR.-PEACE-LOVE-ELEANOR ROOSEVELT-PEACE-LOVE-GHANDI-PEACE-LOVE-MOTHER TERESA-PEACE-LOVE



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39 posted 01-18-2000 08:05 PM       View Profile for SnglDad   Email SnglDad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SnglDad

Some have dream`s and some work hard to fulfill their dream.I`ve worked hard so that
my dream is within reach.
Some choose to live a sheltered life behind their words and other choose to live life free and able to express them selves.
I live no nightmare,I live a very happy care free life and the Ignorance of others doesn`t
upset me.
It would appear that your own lack of knowledge has upset you.
If you were to keep an open mind and ear
you might see that you have alot to learn.
you have a GREAT DAY MARGE      
And yes I did edit my orig. reply because of a statement that was made about this being an OPEN forum and I felt the comment about the MLK quote was uncalled for so i took it out.
Not because I need to hide behind my words.
Again HAVE A GREAT DAY AND GOD BLESS  



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40 posted 01-19-2000 05:02 PM       View Profile for SnglDad   Email SnglDad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SnglDad

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RainbowGirl
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41 posted 01-19-2000 05:07 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

For what it is worth and the same post will go on both poems...

I am not responsible for the past only for how I try to make the future and that is one of peace amongst all races.

HUGS

 Don't ask me where I'm going, just listen when I'm gone and far away you'll hear me singing softly to the dawn.

Parker
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42 posted 01-19-2000 05:51 PM       View Profile for Parker   Email Parker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Parker's Home Page   View IP for Parker

Marge, May I add PEACE-LOVE John Lennon....
and lets not forget PEACE-LOVE JESUS CHRIST.

Just a wonderfull poem. Parker  
Severn
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43 posted 01-19-2000 09:42 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Hello?
I am one of two regularly posting New Zealanders in Open (that I am aware of)

So - as I agree that MLK spoke for all - or rather that ALL can embrace his dream I must say:

GOD BLESS NEW ZEALAND! LOL - and the world.

Race is a concept only - moving to the subtler notion of ethnicity - and all concepts can be changed - more than a dream, I think it is a dream in progress. Every ethnicity is beautiful, and we are all human - and deserve all equality.

Love your poem Marge(Y)

K
vlraynes
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44 posted 11-20-2000 03:23 AM       View Profile for vlraynes   Email vlraynes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit vlraynes's Home Page   View IP for vlraynes


Marge-
   PEACE~LOVE to you, my friend.  

   love you,
   -vicky




"...until you have read the verse on his
heart, you have not truely met the poet."
-vlraynes


 
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