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Ron
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0 posted 07-08-2008 01:28 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

In July, 2002, our twin web servers, Apollo and Artemis, went on-line and have served our poetic community faithfully ever since. But six years is an awfully long time in this computer age where, according to Moore's Law, the trend is for our electronics to improve exponentially, doubling every two years. That essentially means that today's computers are roughly eight times more powerful than our aging twins.

Even the Greek gods didn't last forever.

Sometime in the next few weeks, pipTalk.com will be moving to a new server. In all honestly, I've put this off for about as long as I dare. The amount of data in our database is prodigious, and the prospect of moving it to a new computer is daunting. However, for that very reason, I can no longer afford to delay. The 18.2 Gigabyte SCSI hard disk on Artemis is, literally, almost overflowing with poetry. We're running out of places to put stuff.

I've spent the past several weeks writing scripts to automate the process of moving bytes, reassigning ownership, setting permissions, and all the other various functions required to move the forums. Very soon, probably by this coming weekend, we'll be ready. I don't have an exact date and time yet.

Obviously, the forums will be closed during the move. Less obviously, since we're moving to a new computer and a new IP address, the forums will remain closed even after the move is complete, while we wait for the Domain Name System (DNS) to be updated. The last time we moved that took several days, with some people not finding the new server for nearly a week. Technology has improved since those days, however, and DNS usually takes less than an hour. So, with any luck, we'll be down no more than three or four hours.

I have a lot of admiration for Moore's Law, but I have a lot of respect and downright fear for Murphy's. If you have anything in the forums that you haven't already backed up on your own computer (shame on you), now would the time to do that. I think the chance of losing any data is infinitesimally small. But that never seems to matter to Murphy. Stuff happens. Make darn sure it doesn't happen to you.


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1 posted 07-08-2008 01:41 PM       View Profile for Artic Wind   Email Artic Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Artic Wind

Will the site be the same as it is now?

Like nothing different?



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2 posted 07-08-2008 01:43 PM       View Profile for SEA   Email SEA   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SEA

thank you Ron, for letting us know. For sure going to check and make sure I have a copy of stuff. Murphy will find me if I don't
Ron
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3 posted 07-08-2008 02:01 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
Will the site be the same as it is now?

Nope.

She'll be faster.
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4 posted 07-08-2008 02:20 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Thanks for the heads-up, Ron. OF course, I've never saved anything on this new computer, and no longer have access to the old one. BOOHOO. Does this mean I must 'open' then copy everything individually? Is there a fast/quick/easy way to do this????
I may just go in and grab a small handful of favorites and leave the rest to Murphy's whims!
Most of it can blow in the dust and not be missed anyway.
Just.Another.Falling.Star
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Will the site's web address still be www.piptalk.com or will that change too?

~*Julianna*~

"This lullaby is only a few words
A simple run of chords
Quiet here in this spare room
But you can hear it, hear it
Wherever you m

Sunshine
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6 posted 07-08-2008 02:45 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Kacy,

I think if you were to do a search on your name for your poetry, you'll be able to copy fairly easily everything you've ever written.

Provided it gets done before the weekend, of course!
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7 posted 07-08-2008 02:55 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Karilea, I suppose each post would have to 'open' to be able to save it? Sigh, it would be GREAT to just click forum full of title, but can't imagine how the write would save that way. I'm hallucinating, right?
Seriously, I will start this task this afternoon!
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8 posted 07-08-2008 03:22 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

LOL...yep!

But at least you'll have all of the titles and forums in front of you, and that helps a great deal!
But I'll bet if Ron knows a faster way, he'll share!
Kit McCallum
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It sounds like you've been a busy man, Ron ... but that is no surprise, lol  

Good luck with the upcoming move. I hope everything goes smoothly. Of course, I do have one question.  Does your new server have his/her new name yet?
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10 posted 07-08-2008 03:55 PM       View Profile for Falling rain   Email Falling rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Falling rain's Home Page   View IP for Falling rain

Wait.. So your teling me I have to copy and save all my poems on my computer??

If so.. I better get working on that.. *sigh*

~Zach~

"And so the lion fell in love with the lamb....,"he murmured. "What a stupid lamb," I sighed. "What a sick, masochistic lion."

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no Zach, you don't have to. Only if you want to, and for just in case. If you already have them on your computer or in a notebook, then no worries. If you are worried that you posted something directly on here and don't have a copy then I would for sure copy what you don't have.  
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12 posted 07-08-2008 08:58 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

sounds like a great plan, I hope it goes well for you with out m/any hiccups.....



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13 posted 07-08-2008 10:19 PM       View Profile for Alison   Email Alison   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alison

Ron,

Thank you so much for creating PiP and for working so hard to keep it going.  I am so happy here.

Alison
Nan
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14 posted 07-08-2008 10:23 PM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

So you'll be coming up for air around about Monday?..

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God Speed Ron. Your site is a blessing. Thanks for your time and efforts. I hope good ol' no name serves us well in the future, Apollo and Artemis sure have.

Oh, and if you continue the trend of paying homage to the greeks when you name the new server I suggest Socrates or Aristotle. ^_^

~Jill
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16 posted 07-09-2008 01:15 AM       View Profile for Kellie_Cantrell   Email Kellie_Cantrell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kellie_Cantrell

I've never backed up my poetry from Piptalk and now would probably be a good idea. Whats the easiest way to do that?
Excited about the new servers!
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17 posted 07-09-2008 02:40 AM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Thank you for all you do that we can see, and even more for what we don't.  So, I was thinking how about honoring the mother, and naming the new server, Titaness.
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thank gawd for the blinky thing on my screen or i would have missed this one..
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Thank you Ron.  I can't imagine how much work this has been for you but I am grateful and thank you again.  Joyce
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20 posted 07-10-2008 03:37 PM       View Profile for soul drifter   Email soul drifter   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for soul drifter

Thankfully, since I always write my stuff in advance on my computer, on Wordpad, everything is saved on my hard drive before I post here, so I'm good.
But does this mean the archives are going to be reset? Shame if so...I really like going back into them and enjoying people's kind comments and encouragement for my posts. Maybe I should copy all of those comments and put 'em somewhere on my computer to keep. They always meant a lot to me.

Thanks for the heads up!

"In her soft wind I will whisper,
in her warm sun I will glisten,
till we see her once again
in a world without end" -- Neil Finn
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21 posted 07-10-2008 05:43 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Are we there yet?

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22 posted 07-10-2008 06:18 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Soul drifter,

Normally, Ron doesn't lose anything. That's why you can go into the archives all the way back to 1999. However, to be on the safe side, he always lets people know that things "can be" lost. I.e, we back up our poems on our own computers. So, once Ron opens the doors after this weekend's workout, you should see everything as it was - and sometimes, we even see some new innovations on behalf of the Web Wizard...he loves to sneak in new gadgets and tricks now and then!

Serenity...

it's not the weekend yet! At least, not in my neck of the woods...

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23 posted 07-10-2008 06:33 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

My weekend started early.

Like...thirty years ago.

yearS, Karen. Sheesh.



ow

like I needed that

oy

[This message has been edited by serenity blaze (07-10-2008 07:23 PM).]

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