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Magnus
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75 posted 08-28-2007 04:26 PM       View Profile for Magnus   Email Magnus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Magnus

I agree 100 percent that we do NOT need to
lower ourselves and do something unethical.

IF we are going to take action, WE need to
act properly and via the right channels. I
would hate to see a Pipster get in trouble
for some action on our part that is not
totally above board.
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76 posted 08-28-2007 05:54 PM       View Profile for Earth Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Earth Angel's Home Page   View IP for Earth Angel

I was upset to see how many of our pip friends poetry had been blatantly plagiarized. Now I'm even more upset to find that I am one of the victims as well! Here are 5 of my poems that were copied ver batim.
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11830-heaven-hell.html
Plagiarist: Founder
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11648-every-blessed-mile.html
Plagiarist: Founder
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11625-blowing-wind-repost-remembrance-day.html
Plagiarist: Founder
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/10529-healing-force-nature.html
Plagiarist: Guru
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/10555-o-christmas-tree-rw.html
Plagiarist: Guru


There may be more. There are also many poems in a foreign language that could be translations of our poems. Sheesh! I'm not thinking very angelic thoughts at this moment!

Kudos to all of you who are actively pursuing this! ~ and especially to Steve for bringing these injustices to our attention!

1slick_lady
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77 posted 08-28-2007 06:13 PM       View Profile for 1slick_lady   Email 1slick_lady   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit 1slick_lady's Home Page   View IP for 1slick_lady

i agree
lets us NOT lower ourselves to their level
we are so much better than that
SmartChick
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78 posted 08-28-2007 06:45 PM       View Profile for SmartChick   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit SmartChick's Home Page   View IP for SmartChick

Well, I must not be doing it right, or something. I have tried several times to go to that site, but it keeps telling me that the user name is an invalid user name. I would like to know if they had stole any of my poems. But, I can't seem to find out.
Ron
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79 posted 08-28-2007 08:32 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Those unwilling or unable to discuss this problem in a civilized manner can go hang out at totalmasala.com where, presumably, such behavior is better tolerated. I've edited or deleted several comments, and I sincerely hope I don't have to continue.

Please -- don't direct Google or anyone else to this thread to support your attempts to correct the problem. As much as I'd like to see the problem resolved, I'd also like to see people find pipTalk.com through threads in which we can all take pride. I don't think this one qualifies.

Now, in way of a more constructive addition to the thread, HERE is the link that everyone needs:

http://www.colo4dallas.com/accept_policies.php?sec=2&sub=4

I think the procedure for finding this was detailed in the other links I posted in the other thread, but here's a quick rundown of what I just did.

1. Find the IP address of the web site. You can do that by pinging the domain name or by doing a tracert, both from your Windows command prompt.

2. Go to http://ws.arin.net/whois  and enter the IP address to find out who it was assigned to (Colo4Dallas, in this case).

3. Type Colo4Dallas into Google and see if you can find their web site.

4. Look for the Terms of Service and an accompanying abuse email address.

These are the people who provide the hosting for the offending web site. The host provides the pipes (and usually the computer, but probably not in this case) by way of which the plagiarist is publishing your material. In most cases, the host is the second contact you should make (the first should the owner of the offending web site, but I doubt that will have much effect in this case).

Now, if you want to complain to anyone (the hosting service here, or Google, or even the owner of the domain), you really need to do it correctly. I get complaints of plagiarism every week at the main site (a few on poems that I wrote!) and ignore most because they are totally bogus (I got a phone call, no less, just last week from a very irate mother because I stole her 14-year-old daughter's poem and published it on the main site . . . uh, nine years ago?). The links I posted in the other thread have some really EXCELLENT advice from Kit, including form letters and DMCA forms. People are only going to listen to you if you are professional and have all your ducks in a line.


SmartChick
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80 posted 08-28-2007 08:54 PM       View Profile for SmartChick   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit SmartChick's Home Page   View IP for SmartChick

I went to this link, again, and did just what you said. It just keeps saying  "Invalid Username". Can someone help me? What am I doing wrong?
SmartChick
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81 posted 08-28-2007 10:51 PM       View Profile for SmartChick   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit SmartChick's Home Page   View IP for SmartChick

Well, I finally got in to the site. And, I did find one of mine posted under this persons name.
Larry C
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82 posted 08-29-2007 12:29 AM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Well they aren't even very discriminating. I have three pieces there and only one of them is of meaningful quality. So guess I'll join in the letter writing campaign shortly.
aziza
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83 posted 08-29-2007 02:11 AM       View Profile for aziza   Email aziza   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for aziza

Guru,

I read your post that you have removed the reported poems.  You have not removed mine.  I have no intentions of joining your site to request in a public manner.  PLEASE REMOVE THE FOLLOWING POEMS IMMEDIATELY (Links as follows):
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11751-side-side-shoes.html
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11735-accck-these-hard-write.html
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11730-pirates-sail-again.html
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11729-villanelle-challenge.html
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11720-moose-horn-memories.html
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11683-erotic-sky-songs.html
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11602-mini-mussolini-marching.html

I will be forwarding another request for additiional poems of mine to be removed when these are taken out.  

It is my suggestion that your group remove all poems that are not written by your members.

aziza
HopeS
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84 posted 08-29-2007 04:40 AM       View Profile for HopeS   Email HopeS   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit HopeS's Home Page   View IP for HopeS

I just read in a message posted 5 hours ago
Hope

Short Message from Admin

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello,

All reported poetry is removed permanently and a warning is also issued to Moderator. We Apologize to all who is poetry was stolen.

Regards
Admin Team
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/45950-short-message-admin.html
Sunshine
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85 posted 08-29-2007 07:57 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Well, without joining, I simply sent them a "contact us" email:

quote:
You have stolen two or more of my poems. Please remove
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11255-ask-lady-luna-duet-karilea.html http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11120-prayers-wing-duet-sunshine.html

and any OTHER POEMS that include my name of Karilea and/or Sunshine from your website, immediately.

I will appreciate a reply within the next 24 hours.  Thank you.


Thank you all for the eyes on this. I don't remember when my poetry has been "borrowed" in such a manner. I have had requests in the past to use my poetry in churches and functions and such...and at least giving permission is much more preferable than this type of activity.



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86 posted 08-29-2007 08:33 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Wow, I wonder if any of mine were removed, as I filed formal complaints with the Admin of the site, as well as Dynadot and the Google Adsense team. But honestly, I quit searching the offending site after I got to 10 of mine, not wanting to add to their daily 'hit' count.
These sites should be shut down, but I realize the out-of-USA offenders will likely never be prosecuted.
ThisDiamond
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87 posted 08-29-2007 08:47 AM       View Profile for ThisDiamond   Email ThisDiamond   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit ThisDiamond's Home Page   View IP for ThisDiamond

Checked after seeing the news about removing poetry.

NOT.

Still quite a bit of our poetry still up this morning.

If you have addresses, etc. that will save us time, would you provide them by email.
I am in the process of publishing, and this could cause me some troubles.

The links that Ron provided are excellent.
I have contacted an attorney to help me out with advice.

Nice team work Pipsters.
Marge Tindal
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88 posted 08-29-2007 09:10 AM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

I just posted the following at the site on the ADMINISTRATOR GURU's post
quote:
Well, I see we finally got someone's attention here~

While we appreciate that SOME of the plagiarized pieces have been removed ... a thousand or so MORE need to be deleted and maybe the job will be complete~

For starters you can also take these down -

Page 97 http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-wo...en-framed.html

Page 95 http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-wo...-poetress.html

Page 87 http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-wo...gs-abound.html

Page 81 http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-wo...adornment.html

And I would strongly suggest that you check ALL of the pages where these are found as there are SOOOOOOOOOOO many more poems that have been stolen from the Passions In Poetry site ... many of which were posted by ~~~Founder~~~ and lo and behold ... by GURU !!

I would venture to say that I doubt there are but a handful of ORIGINAL poems placed at this site by the Copyright owners~

Please keep deleting the stolen pieces, for we will continue to be all over this site until it is swept clean of plagiarized poetry~

~*Marge Tindal*~
"RealPoet"
Actually there ARE bookoodle more of the poems by poets here ... we'll keep up the vigil until they are ALL removed !!


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89 posted 08-29-2007 10:27 AM       View Profile for HopeS   Email HopeS   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit HopeS's Home Page   View IP for HopeS

Yes after reading the announcement about the poetry being removed , I noticed that the 16 poems that ~~~founder ~~~ had stolen of mine are still up there on the site

Hope
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90 posted 08-29-2007 11:20 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

All of mine seem to be there as well. Now, I have discovered no less than 20 more of mine!!!!
I am....so mad I could spit nails, and have emailed three complaints.
Is there any reason the admins don't listen???
(Probably since they are obviously the ones doing this)
I have not 'joined' that site, and refuse to, as it only gives them more attention!!!!
Magnus
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91 posted 08-29-2007 11:38 AM       View Profile for Magnus   Email Magnus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Magnus

this site, from what I can see...is the work
of individuals from another country,  the word
"masala", if what I read is correct, is
Indian...and has many variations that it can
be used with in a description of something.

What we each do is going to take time.  So,
patience is a needed commodity...Heck,  I'm
still learning how to search properly...As
soon as I do,  I will definitely let everyone
know.
Marge Tindal
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92 posted 08-29-2007 12:33 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

I will be BUMPING poems that I know are plagiarized from PiP later today ... I am registered at the site ... and having gotten the attention of 'some person' ... who is listed as an ADMINISTRATOR named GURU ... (of course he is also one of the biggest offenders of posting works from PiP) I will simply bump everything I see that came from PiP and ask that it be deleted ... after all, because they didn't put any names on the poems ... they will most likely continue to delete ones that are bumped up ... with a note to delete it ... they don't know who the original author/copyright owner is ... so maybe they will just delete everything that I bump ?????

It's worth a shot ... and I continue to stay focused on getting it all deleted~
*sigh*

So much for having a chance to write anything new !!
~*Marge*~
And forgive me ... once again I feel fresh out of *HUGLETS*

~*The sound of a kiss is not as strong as that of a cannon, but it's echo endures much longer*~
Email -     noles1@totcon.com   

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93 posted 08-29-2007 12:56 PM       View Profile for aziza   Email aziza   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for aziza

Marge

Thank you for all that you are doing.  I really appreciate this effort of bumping poems.  I won't join the site, but if you want I'll send you links when I get home tonight.

I admire your passion.

... and here are baskets of 'huglets' for you to use at will.

xoxoxo
Alison (aka aziza)
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94 posted 08-29-2007 01:14 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Marge, did you run across any other problems with spyware and such as was noted above?

and...Thanks for the "bump"...

I'm sure you will soon clean their site of use of others' poetry!
Marge Tindal
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95 posted 08-29-2007 01:35 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

I've had NO PROBLEMS at the site ... but just going to continue on my little warpath~
This little Injun is ticked ... and that seems to fuel my PASSION to get the mission completed~

Page by page I will continue to search them out ...~

LOL ... what a wonderful way to spend my day off~

I am trying to look out for all of us ... maybe the danged ADMINISTRATOR will delete them ... maybe not ... but I will be a thorn in their side until I fester~
Actually, they really should just wipe out everything in English ... it's all stolen~
(and who knows or cares about the other stuff)

~*Me

~*The sound of a kiss is not as strong as that of a cannon, but it's echo endures much longer*~
Email -     noles1@totcon.com   

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96 posted 08-29-2007 02:17 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Marge and TD, thanks! I will email you a rather substantial list. Some of these have already been listed in a formal complaint to Dynadot but are still showing up. I also have the Pips forum references if needed, to show the original copyright dates.
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97 posted 08-29-2007 02:30 PM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

Marge: I registered there and posted a thread asking admins/moderators to please pay attention to the plagiarism problem. They deleted that thread, along with the poem I was complaining about... not mine, by the way, but certainly not Founder's!

I, too, hate to think that my participation there is giving them any kind of monetary reward for their theiving... but... bumping things up and making waves seems to be the fastest way to get action.

Magnus: India subscribes to the Berne Convention for Protection of Literary and Artistic Works. They also have a bilateral relationship with the US for copyrights.
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98 posted 08-29-2007 03:02 PM       View Profile for Honeybunch   Email Honeybunch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Honeybunch's Home Page   View IP for Honeybunch

It appears that my poems didn't escape their clutches either.  I've sent a rather strongly worded e-mail but I doubt whether it will have any effect.  Here's what I've found so far.
http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11271-she-stands.html  http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11254-heart-mind-thing.html  http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11133-christmas-beetles.html  http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11130-moving-moving-moving.html  http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11111-until.html  http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/11539-weird.html  http://www.totalmasala.com/poetry-world/10617-i-sing.html

I have previously had a poem of mine stolen and reposted on the same poetry board where I had first posted it.  It somehow makes one feel violated.  

Thanks to all who have taken this matter up.  With so many stolen poems it would be nice if the whole site could be shut down.

Helen
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99 posted 08-29-2007 03:18 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum104/HTML/000955.html

When Marge Leads the charge...


Have at'em,  Marge!!!
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