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Join The Portland Peaceful Response Coalition Peace and Justice Rally October 3rd!

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How I wish you were right, Noah, that there are non-violent ways of dealing with terrorism and monsters like Hussein, Milosovich and others but I don't see it happening outside of fiction novels. Evil is real, Noah. Evil exists. When you find a way to reason with the unreasonable, negotiate with those whose main interest is to murder and rule, please let somebody know.

The fact remains that more lives have been saved over the past three years by the actions of George Bush that by any other head of state in our lifetime. Should you state that you are for the rights of people around the world and against the man who has saved hundreds of thousands of them from torture and murder, that would be extremely unreasonable. If you applaud the fact that the murderous rule of the Taliban and Hussein is over and berate the man who ended it, you have abandoned logic. If you bemoan the loss of 1000 American soldiers and ignore the saving of hundreds of thousands lives in the two countries, you are not marching for the people of the world. It would be much more honest just to all it an anti-Bush march as opposed to giving it another name, Noah. In reality, I believe you know that's what it is....and there's nothing wrong with that. They have the right to march for or against anything or anyone they want. It would be preferable if they were honest about it, however.

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http://www.no-nukes.org/voices/vfp104.html

Noah, a link you may appreciate, if you hadn't read this before.
if you scroll to the 'next page' from the opening link:

Dear President Bush:

Our son is one of the victims of Tuesday's attack on the World Trade Center. We read about your response in the last few days and about the resolutions from both Houses, giving you undefined power to respond to the terror attacks.

Your response to this attack does not make us feel better about our son's death. It makes us feel worse. It makes us feel that our government is using our son's memory as a justification to cause suffering for other sons and parents in other lands.

It is not the first time that a person in your position has been given unlimited power and came to regret it. This is not the time for empty gestures to make us feel better. It is not the time to act like bullies.

We urge you to think about how our governement can develop peaceful, rational solutions to terrorism, solutions that do not sink us to the inhuman level of terrorists.

Sincerely,
Phyllis and Orlando Rodriguez


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Peaceful and rational solutions to terrorism, which is neither peaceful or rational....that would be a solution that the entire world would like to see, Kacey. It would be interesting to see what kind of rationality those folks, or anyone, would use in dealing with Bin Laden or any terrorist groups whose sole intent is the destruction of non-Muslim or democratic countries.

Anyone can say, "Do something else." Unfortunately no one seems to be able to come up with what that "else" could be....

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We have already said we don't believe in violence, period.

I'm curious, Noah, what your organization intends to do about police officers in America? If you don't believe in violence, period, it would follow that you don't believe the police should carry guns or, for that matter, even night sticks.
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Thanks for the asking of clarification, Ron.

We don't have any particular agenda on police relations. But it is a very worthy topic and I will suggest putting it up for conversation at our next weekly rally.

Police in general do an honorable job. I was much impressed by how the protesters behaved in New York City. With the small exception of Jamal's assault on that police detective William Sample and the third-degree burn that cop got in watering down that flaming dragon float, it was a very peaceful time for demonstrations and the police.

Though I wasn't quite thrilled about the block-in strategy the cops used in bringing foot units from behind, motorcycles from the front and cars from the side and netting them in with orange plastic, then arresting thousands simply for being inches within the sidewalks and deporting them to Pier 57, where there is chemical spillages and asbestos, I believe overall the police did a good job. Some nightclubs were used and I don't like nightclubs (you have to understand I'm a softie to all kinds of weapons) I'm not quite sure who proposed Pier 57 being the point where protesters would be imprisoned temporarily, but the police I believe are not in fault here.

There is police brutality, and I believe it is wrong. Overall, I think a majority of police officers are well-disciplined. You can chase and apprehend a suspect without firing a single bullet or pushing someone head-first to the rough ground. As in any occupation, there will always be some more rotten eggs in the batch that abuse their power, and I just hope those types of people can find what it is they're looking for or they can learn from others in their profession.

Anyway, we make sure we only get non-violent, respectful groups involved. We have Portland Indymedia on our side interviewing each group and making sure they're well-disciplined and those who are more aggressive or verbal we sometimes consider leaving out of sponsership. We also have a police unit working with us each rally on Friday, for we believe in this sensitive time where the fear of terrorism is great, they have a right to do their job and make sure some newcomer doesn't end up being a violent radical who shouts obscene words and threaten others who have different political opinions. There are people like that too and that is why we're specifically named a "peaceful response" coalition.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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Balladeer, I believe just about everyone that will be attending this rally are not supporters of Bush.

So, yes, though our rally doesn't specifically read as an "anti-Bush" rally, we do believe Bush is dangerous to democracy and the peace process. We believe we are being honest. "Anti-Bush" is a strong and severe label, to some it may sound the world is better without Bush. Bush is a wronged leader, but there's a place for everyone. I prefer now to say this rally is for "non-supporters of Bush", not for "anti-Bush".

The reason why we went to Iraq in the first place was not because of Saddam Hussein being a horrible man. It was because some believed they had weapons of mass destruction there. Bush has admitted himself they have not found weapons of mass destruction, but defends the war just because Saddam was bad.

A single loss is a tragic thing. I don't deny Saddam was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. I also believe it doesn't justify the right to kill tens of thousands in the process of removing him and his regime from power. From March to November 2003, an estimated 37,000 Iraqis were killed. That number may well be approaching 100,000 now.

It is an achievement to have Saddam out of power, but there could easily have been a well-thought out alternative strategy to spare the thousands of innocents who've perished with Saddam's men. I'm not the man with all the answers in any way, but I believe some kind of Social Service mission could have been carried out for instance, to arrest and apprehend Saddam and his top aides.

I consider the more common instances of terror-related incidents in the past two years compared to a whole decade ago, the violence in Iraq this month being the worst since May, and the new worldwide poll showing that 30/35 countries by an average of a 2-to-1 margin wanting Bush out of office, in that in many eyes Bush has done the reversal in claiming to liberate by encouraging and inciting terrorists in vowing to continue fighting.

I understand you believe we are actually winning the war on terror. I think the opposite. That's OK, I respect your dissent and I do understand both these views are common. I stand by my opinion that Bush has been more incarcerating than saving people. I stand by my opinion Bush is not speaking for the people of the world when by as much as a 5-to-1 margin in 35 countries the people disapprove of him. And considering the indisputable fact that EVEN after the GOP convention, EVEN after the Swift Boat ads, a majority STILL believe America is heading in the wrong direction and therefore I believe it is up to everyone, including myself, to try and find alternatives in hoping to identify the direction that will lead America the way we want to.

I'd be willing to discuss this more in the Alley or elsewhere. I don't want to go far off course here as this is an Announcements forum and I only chose to respond here because I felt your comment was relevant to the thread.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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Thank you, Noah, and I neither wanted to make this a big issue here but I was interested in what the goal of your organization really was. I had not heard of them marching for the victims of Iraq before the US invasion, not even when Hussein gassed thousands of them, nor had I heard of them marching for the estimated one million facing genocide in the Sudan nor any marches for any large group of innocents in countries all over the world faced with murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing.....yet, here before the election, they decide to march. To me, that makes their message fairly clear.

"but I believe some kind of Social Service mission could have been carried out for instance, to arrest and apprehend Saddam and his top aides."

I believe that had been tried many times, Noah. peacefully, and also with attempts to get him out of power by assassination. That's one reason why he had dozens of doubles. That's why he never left the country and that's why every one of his mansions were instructed to prepare three meals a day just in case he showed up, since no one was ever told where he would be on any given day. If you think Social Service missions would have done the trick then God bless you. What do I know? I'm just an exterminator. Someone calls me to get the rats out of their house I go kill them - I don't try to reason with them or convert them.

I don't believe Ron's point about the police was how they treated the protestors - rather, what do you feel about police being armed, period? If you are against violence of any kind, should police be able to use it in defense of the law? Are there actually times when the use of force and violence are necessary to protect the innocent? If your answer is no then all police should be disarmed and replaced with social workers. If you say yes, then you might want to rethink your group's views, especially on a more global level. It's a good question.

Regardless of your group's main intentions I know that you personally will be marching for your convictions and what you honestly believe in....I'll salute you for that, Noah.
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Noah, just let me know when you are ready to run for office, so I can offer my support. You have brains, courage, a shout of truth backed up with numerous examples,
not to mention conviction, and a fantastic vocabulary...that's a combo rarely seen in politics.

But Noah, shouting obscenities at rallies, though crude and unnecessary, is not a violent act in and of itself, and should not be a used as a censorship condition in any public rally. I'd rather see NO rally than to go to that extreme. These are volatile life and death issues that generate great emotional heat, as evidenced by this thread and the opinion pages of every newspaper in the world. People are being slaughtered, and I, for one, will tolerate verbal bombs every day if need be in order to find any peaceful solution to stopping the real ones.
Thank you, for standing up for your convictions, always with great courage and class.
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Kacy, you're right, and let me explain what I meant to say there.



Last Friday there was a man who came up to us and said he would physically abuse any protester and attempted to rush towards us to beat up a more elderly protester in our rally. Then, one of our fellow protesters who was passing through from Spokane started shouting a tirade of F words and attempted to start chasing after him to engage in a fist fight. Will (the captain of the PPRC) and I used the megaphone, helping mediate the situation and saying "This is just the kind of bad karma we've been talking about, we are a peaceful coalition and when others may shout out at us, we blow them kisses back. This is not example to how we demonstrate!"



So, you see, sometimes there is bad karma and I don't need that, you don't need that, we don't need that. We welcome all kinds of signs with strong statements that are non-violent against the wars and the Bush Administration's policies, we have a drum unit and powerful chants to work with, and we welcome everyone in the crowd to throw their voice as loud as they can.



So, you see, THAT'S what I meant by obsceneties. It's not so much what anyone says, it's what people could do in an act of itself. In case we have those like the man from Spokane who wants to brawl with those on the other side of the political spectrum, we don't need that. But, Kacy, rest assured censorship here is at a very minimal level, the only censorship being the use of fist as a demonstration.



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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Whatever those "main intentions" may be in your mind, I appreciate ever so much our discussing this. I believe we need both sides to prevail and somewhere along the way I feel with my heart we will find a middle ground, and it is discussions like this that make such an event more possible.



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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quote:

A little boy of three sittin' on the floor
Looks up and says, "Daddy, what is war?"
"son, that's when people fight and die"
The little boy of three says "Daddy, why?"
A young man of seventeen in Sunday school
Being taught the golden rule
And by the time another year has gone around
It may be his turn to lay his life down
Can you blame the voice of youth for asking
"What is truth?"

--J.R. Cash





I don't think it's incumbent for us to find middle ground in all things Noah.  There is ground enough for all of us.  

Peace is harder to win than war.  
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Noah, you are a man who walks his talk and you do it with class and integrity.

I have much affection and admiration for you. If there were more people like you on this planet, there WOULD be world peace.

Peace, Love, Light, & Harmony,
Linda
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*********COALITION LOG**********

Just less than two weeks away from this major demonstration that will certainly become one of Portland's more memorable activism rallies.

Anyone crossing through Friday can join us over at Portland's Pearl District, the very site where most of this rally will take place, between five and six P.M. We will be leafleting information and promoting to the public our calling, our voice for peace and justice.

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has now come out to declare the war on Iraq as illegal. We will be using his example, along with the millions of others in America and worldwide as our chance to make a powerful statement against these misguided and criminal policies those who misled many into this war.

Over seventy local and regional organizations have now added their support to this demonstration, and to all of them, me and the PPRC would love to extend our thanks. We love you all, you rock!

The past week has proven to be a tragic week for both our young men and women and the people of Iraq. Among the tragedies were a dozen civilians killed by a rocket fired by a helicopter into an unarmed crowd in downtown Baghdad. I understand Mazen al-Tumeizi, a correspondent from al-Arabiya, were among the fatalities, to become the unfortunate sixth Arab journalist to be killed in harms way of this senseless war since the capture of Baghdad over a year ago.

Sixty-one other civilians were injured in this attack, and during the past week dozens of others died in suicide and car bombings, only one of the incidents killing as many as 47 and injuring 114.

The message is clear. This is a war we cannot win. In war, there are no winners, only losers. Together, we must unite, work together to find alternative solutions of non-violence in diplomacy and resolve our differences through understanding. I quote Audre Lorde: "It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences."

Each moment is now. We must dissolve our fears, only then will we truly be free. As Jim Morrison advised, "Expose yourself to your deepest fear; after that, fear has no power, and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free."

Let us live free now and pursue alternative solutions in mediating the threat of terrorism, the fear-mongers, the drama in our everyday lives. Let us live, and rise for peace and justice.

Amen.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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*************COALITION LOG**************

With our major rally just barely over a week from today, we are eagerly anticipating what is already promising to be an effective, colorful march, with dozens of wonderful groups taking part in building one strong voice for peace and justice.

It has also come to our attention that there is another serious issue we will proclaim and educate to the public that is sneaking between us as we speak.

There is a bill currently sitting in the committee on armed services, a Rangel/Conyers bill, titled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, a.k.a H.R 163.

Apparently, taking advantage of the public's attention glued on the elections, the Administration is quietly trying to get
these bills passed now to require ALL men and women ages 18-26 to be forced to participate in a two year period of national service in a military or civilian capacity as determined by the President, who will be reported to service March 31, 2005. Should this pass, the mandatory draft can begin June 15, 2005.

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (Twin bills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election.

In A January 8, 2003 statement by Congressman Pete Stark, he adds, "for those who conscientiously object to war, the bill assures that any military service would not include combat. Otherwise, there would be no preferences, no deferments, no chance for the well-off or the well- connected to dodge military service for their country, as did our President."

Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Also, crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult. In December, 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country.

These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Stark boldly has proclaimed, "If our nation is to go to war, it is only right that all Americans share in the sacrifice of war."

Let this not become a sacrifice we'll have to make!

Please send this message onto all the parents and teachers you know, to everyone, and let your children know it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

Also, please pass this on to your mailing lists. We MUST take action, and protect our youth from the heinous, horrible sights of war!

We'll be addressing HR 163 across in our rally, under a campaign which I've titled "Fire Exit 1-0". The 1-0, of course, is borrowed from the Vietnam era, where draft dodgers by the thousands resisted going into that senseless war. It is the other common term for "conscientious objector" where a draftee could apply for 1-O status if they could prove that serving in the military went against their religious or moral beliefs, and if approved, a 1-0 status was given to being excused from military service. Of course, that status was rarely granted during Vietnam, and will quite likely not be given should this draft take toll.

Let's hope we don't even have to be draft dodgers and dodge this draft from ever passing, for the sake of our children, for the sake of our loved ones. Already in this illegal, immoral and senseless war, let us not get all our children involved in this quagmire now. Stop the draft! End the war! Stop the draft! End the war!

Onward to Fire Exit 1-0, my friends!

We'll see you a week from this Sunday! God Bless You, and peace, love and harmony to you all!

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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I went downtown today, to Powell's. It was so quiet downtown. Perhaps, the action next week will liven everything up on Sunday? I still plan to attend, dear friend/poet Noah. I will email you on Saturday, to make some arrangements, hopefully to meet you there and shake your hand, finally.
BTW, I now have my Kerry/Edwards sign in my front yard, and my bumper sticker.
See ya, "Sunday In the Park?"

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*************COALITION LOG**************

The Portland Peaceful Response Coalition is proud to co-sponser "What's Really at Stake in November and Beyond?" at the Smith Center Ballroom at Portland State University tomorrow evening (Tuesday, September 28th) at 7:00, featuring three very special voices.

Portland's own nationally syndicated columnist, Norman Solomon, founder of Global Exchange and Code Pink, Medea Benjamin, and, if that wasn't enough, the most famous wistleblower in US history, the man who released the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, who are on an eight-city tour of the Pacific Northwest, and are dropping on in here!

"What's Really at Stake in November and Beyond?" is an evening devoted to the issues, including US foreign policy and the undermining of the US Constitution, about the declining economy, record deficits and the plundering of the country's wealth.

Other co-sponsers include the Portland Alliance, the PSU English Department, and the Center for Social and Environmental Justice at Washington State University Vancouver.

Please stop by, this forum is available for the general public to enjoy! A $5-20 donation is suggested, though there is no one who will be turned away for lack of donation. After all, knowledge is food for the soul!

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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Noah, I sure wish I could go Tuesday night.
I've heard Daniel Ellsberg speak, so I know you're in for a treat. It would be nice to have Katharine Gun speak too, as she is another recent 'whistle-blower' whom I respect.
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
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**************COALITION LOG****************

So here we are, tonight, likely facing a crucial moment of truth in which way this election may head with the first of three presidential debates kicking off tonight in Miami.

No matter if Kerry or Bush prevails on this nerve-wracking evening, which could possibly determine who will be elected, our intestinal fortitude will not quaver, for we are aware of Bush's illegal, senseless war, his failed economic policy, and, most importantly, his assault on democracy at large.

Bush chooses to continue seeing Iraq behind rose-tinted glasses, citing the buildings of new schools, hospitals, the generation of new electricity for the Iraqi communities, the new jobs being created in Baghdad and beyond, and their forthcoming elections. He believes we are actually winning this war on terrorism, when, in fact, failing to use peripheral vision, the violence has only gotten worse.

In the past 24 hours, 34 children were killed in car bomb attacks where U.S troops were handing out candy at the opening of a sewage plant. Seven others hae died and as many as 153 wounded in this blast alone.

These blasts have officially set the record of car bomb attacks in a single month. And if that wasn't enough grief for one day in Iraq, northern Iraq faced tragedies of their own, with insurgents killing six there, U.S troops bombed another target in Fallujah and killed three more, four died and seven were wounded in an attack on the Tal Afar police chief's convoy, another two dead in Sadr City firefight and a multinational forces soldier killed outside of Baghdad.

On top of all that, ten more civilians working for an electric company named Jibel were kidnapped by the Islamic Army in Iraq. British hostage Ken Bigley continues to cry out to Tony Blair to do the right thing and send him and their young men and women back home, which Blair has yet to make that courageous move, who has just admitted himself there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

The tears go beyond the deaths and injuries themselves. Two days ago, it was reported Army National Guard Specialist Darren Matthew, who served in Iraq and came home, testing positive for uranium contamination, suffering frequent headaches, blurred vision, blackouts and felt burning when he urinated. His wife got pregnant shortly after he came home and gave birth to a daughter on June 29 who was missing three fingers and most of her right hand, showing the continuing devastation and contamination of Iraq.

Anxiety and tears are everywhere.

Rumsfeld has admitted himself in a radio interview that the violence in Iraq has gotten worse and even expects it to get even more worse in approaching the Iraqi elections. Democracy is a beautiful thing, unfortunately when the CIA is playing favoritism with pro-U.S candidates in Iraq and seeing to it they win, while U.S. officials are pressuring Afghan presidential candidates to drop out of the race against the U.S backed Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan. Democracy is "of the people, by the people and for the people", let the people decide themselves!

No matter how much Bush preaches in this foreign policy debate tonight on conditions improving in Iraq, we know the truth. The sad truth that the violence is only escalating in Iraq as inevitably thought among us since before this war ever began. The truth of Bush's irresponsibility and impatience which has costed us over a thousand lives of our own young men and women and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

The irresponsibility of the Bush Administration failing to acknowledge the warnings by the CIA National Intelligence Council before the war in two classified reports in January 2003 that an invasion of Iraq would increase support for political Islam and would result in a deeply divided Iraqi society prone to violent internal conflict. This report was written by the exact same group who wrote the newly released classified National Intelligence Estimate which predicts Iraq will fall into civil war if the security situation doesn't improve. Bush chose once again to ignore the warnings and described the conclusions as "guesses" by the CIA.

Irresponsibility has proven to take even greater leaps. A newly released report from the Justice Department has revealed the FBI has yet to translate more than 120,000 hours of recordings that could contain valuable intelligence on Al Qaeda. On Sept. 10, 2001 the National Security Agency intercepted messages saying, "Tomorrow is zero hour" and "The match is about to begin.", which would not be translated until after the September 11th attacks. For all we know, another attack is in the works and the plan is buried deep in that library of cassettes.

Iraq may already be heading into division and civil war. The Financial Times has reported today that Iraq's oil-rich southern provinces are considering plans to set up their own autonomous state. Members of the municipal council of Basra have reportedly been holding talks with officials in the provinces of Missan and Dhiqar, which have more than 80 percent of the known oil reserves in Iraq. The three provinces have complained they are not fairly represented in Baghdad. Only one member of Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's cabinet is from this southern region.

The irresponsibility of this Administration has resulted in these tragedies, these atrocities, this senseless war. And in this irresponsibility, a total of 2,368 attacks occur across Iraq in the past thirty days. 2,368!!! And the longer Bush does not come clean and take responsibility for what has happened, the more and more these disturbances will continue.

As it is, a majority of Americans believe America is heading in the wrong direction. When over 50% frequently believe this in EVERY poll, it is clear we must move in a new direction. It is clear Bush is too stubborn to take responsibility, so we, of the PPRC, are proud to give another man a chance to govern this nation responsibly. A man, who, despite disagreeing with his early positions on Iraq, has said straight out he has a plan to begin sending our young men and women home six months into his first term and have them all back by the end of his first term if elected, while all Bush can say is "we'll stay here as long as we have to!" or "We're not turning back!". We are proud to help in the pursuit of a new direction America feels good walking in. We are proud to be voting for John Kerry this November!

If you feel strongly as we do against this war, against other occupations, against the irresponsibility of the Bush Administration, and are for non-violent alternatives to solving foreign policy issues worldwide, we hope to see you Sunday at North Park in Portland!

Peace, love and harmony to you all!

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20
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Noah, with all due respect, in post 38, you put almost verbatim an email hoax attributing the proposed draft to the Adminitration and President Bush.  The allegations have been shown to be thoroughly false, though there is pending legislation in the House, written and proposed by liberal Democrats.  So if your group is planning to protest that issue, put the blame on the right group: liberal Democratic Congressmen.  And instead of relying on knee-jerk rhetoric and fear tactics, at least attempt to research the claims on both sides before spouting the Party Line.

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Thank you, Alicat! I actually did acknowledge the names of the two Democrats who proposed HR 163 in the original post as you have specified.

I was not even referring to the draft rumor you have specified, which I have heard about a few days ago and though of course it remains a rumor, I still think we, as the public, must be prepared to act nevertheless in case it is, in fact, real.

We have decided to drop H.R 163 from our Sunday repertoire though we'll still educate the masses in being prepared to respond should more official word come out.

Consider this a fire drill in preparation of what may happen in the near future.



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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Sure thing, Noah.

However, when I first read the names on that bill, before I researched and found out more about the authors of that bill, since the main pretext singled out the Administration (i.e. the Executive Branch), my first thought was that the authors were conservative, hawkish Republicans, since the Legislative and Executive branches are primarily Republican.  See how easily that could be taken out of context?  It would be far better to at least give {R} {D} or {I}, or some brief abbreviation of party affiliation when giving elected official names, if for no other reason than fairness.

By the by, spokespersons for those two Congressmen essentially said the purpose of that bill was to 'shake things up', since they knew it would die on the Floor.  That, at least to this simple soul, equates to someone shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theater just to see if the emergency response teams function properly.  In short, extremely irresponsible.

Allow me to say that I do respect your protests, and would use any and all violent methods to ensure you kept your right to peacable protest which your group would protest.  If nothing else, it does make for a nice circular effect.
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You're right, Alicat! I should have specified the abbreviated party name of Rangel and Conyers.

Let it be known that though I am voting Kerry this November, I am not myself a Democrat. I am an independent. I believe the Democrats have many faults as well. Since I've grown to understand politics more, I look back on the Clinton Administration and believe though he did a better job than any other president since I've been born, Clinton made many crucial errors.

I blame the Clinton Administration for the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. It kind of set the stage for this constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, which I am voting against. It also, in my opinion, assaulted those closer to or in poverty, eliminating federal guarantee of minimal cash benefits to poor families with children, restricting aid to children with disabilities, and cutting benefits for those of legal foreigners. I also am quite unhappy with him not making a stronger stand on the genocide in Sudan and also, of course, the infamous 1996 Telecommunications Act, which is unarguably the root to all our current problems with de-regulation and the corporate climate.

I have my issues with the Democrats as well. I disagree with Kerry on a number of positions, like I wish he would oppose the No Child Left Behind Act because of its impatience and assault on the public school system, the Patriot Act, and I am not thrilled about, until he gets all our men and women out of Iraq, to get 40,000 more troops in the service. In fact, I don't believe Kerry is being quite anti-war. It's difficult for me to vote for someone who is not completely against war, but I believe my vote is justified for him because Kerry actually wants to get us out of there, Bush has no intention to yet. The debate last night clearly proved Kerry believes this war is wrong, Bush thinks it was right, and the only thing Bush can use to defend the war, even after acknowledging there's no weapons of mass destruction, the claim that was central to this war, is that Saddam was a bad man. That's it!!! Because Saddam was simply a bad man! Also, there is far more than simply Iraq and our hard-earned money at stake. It's about democracy.

This election will determine whether democracy will remain true to definition, that it is "of the people, by the people and for the people" and remains a peoples government, or, if it will only be a democracy by name, where "the people" will be treated secondarily and we're almost back to a patricians and plebeians type of framework, and will be governed by top lobbyists and corporate interests.

I believe in the former. And that is why me and the PPRC are voting Kerry.

Once this election goes by, I want to dedicate myself to attempting to see to it we don't face another election year just like 2004 and get the Green Party or an alternative candidate into the mainstream limelight. We can't procrastinate in seeking alternatives. We've got to get the ITC ballot enforced. We've got to allow third-party candidates to find a place in debates. We've got to pass a constitutional amendment or something to see to it ones privacy is respected, period, and that other corporations, etc. can't invade your three feet of personal space. Make sure no further media de-regulation occurs and we encourage diversity and indymedia growth. We've got to move beyond this rigid two-party system.

I am Noah Eaton, Junior head of the Portland Peaceful Response Coalition, a proud independent voting for the Democratic ticket this November 2nd, and I approve this message!

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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LOL at your closing "I approve" statement, Noah.
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Throughout our political history, there have been numerous 3rd and even 4th and 5th parties during primary elections: Senate, House, Governors, President.  And despite what the 'sore losers' (my words) and detractors say, there really isn't any ban or blocking of alternative parties except by those who desire to keep the current two party system intact.  During the last 60 years of lobbies, PACs, labor union bosses, special interests groups and politically motivated and funded groups, more and more has the system become 'he with the most money wins'.  There have been a few anomolies though, such as Independants winning Senate, House, State, and Governorships.  And though Perot and Nader had a strong following, they lost primarily due to voters not understanding them or not in agreeance with their proposed platforms and policies.  And the main thing hurting Nader this time around was his multiple political banners he was running under, since states require a candidate to belong to one and only one party.

Personally, I'm a moderate-liberal Republican: Republican since it is up to me to improve my own situation (i.e. I am neither owed or entitled to anything), and I have nothing against earning money, and moderate-liberal since I strongly feel there should be some assistance to help others get back on their feet when they can't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.  Cradle-to-Grave education and health care would be wonderful, but as Heinlein said, 'There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.'  Somebody will have to foot the bill.
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Hey Alicat, I'm glad you mentioned Nader. Let me tell you about our opinion of Ralph Nader.

No one can argue that what Nader has done for the past 40 years in his civil activism role is commendable and example to how far a progressive voice can be carried.

Nader has given to the community so much in the past four decades, from working as a lawyer in Connecticut, to his time being a consumer advocate, to forming the Center for the Study of Responsive Law and the Public Citizen and U.S. Public Interest Research Group, to fighting against corporations and fighting for environmental protection, that is beyond admirable. He is courageous and he is to be honored in that respect.

Nader's positions on issues are also ones I overwhelmingly agree with. I applaud Ralph in defending Roe vs. Wade, how he's fighting for 47 million American workers by offering them a $8 minimum wage, getting rid of gay discrimination in full, that corporations should not be considered as individuals, treating hemp like poppy seeds instead of heroin, the reviving of energy policies, the ending of all logging in national forest areas, ending the war on Iraq, I am in great support of his policies!

However, as far as his campaign is concerned, he comes off as naive. He must understand that this is a two-way race we're facing, and Nader himself knows he cannot win this election. He says he has a chance. Of course he does. EVERY man running has a "chance". But having a chance doesn't mean you will have any possibility of winning.

Again, I disagree and denounce some tactics Democrats have used to keep Nader off the ballot in some states, as it shows unilateral, adversarial politics. All the same, when Nader continues to deny or fail to admit it, he, himself, has been involved in partisan politics in getting on some state ballots.

The way he has chosen to defend and promote his campaign is what is bothersome, using the likes of Republican lawyers to compete against Democratic lawyers instead of his own integrity to find a place on a ballot.

Nader's colleagues have worked with Peter Antonacci, George Meros, and, most notably, Kenneth Sukhia, a Republican judge who took a role in the 2000 recount then got appointed by Bush the following year for a federal judgeship in attempting to get on the Florida ballot is very troubling to me. All throughout Nader's long and rich history, partisan politics has never been his game, but seeing him work with the likes of those whose politics contradict his is very much out of character and, frankly, hypocritical.

54% of the signatures he got to get on the Arizona ballot were from Republicans alone. Nader received grants from the Oregon Family Council in oregon, an anti-gay association, when Nader's politics contradict theirs.

This campaign approaches seems to strike me as that he is actually trying to tear apart the Democratic party more than getting Bush removed from office, someone who he has been denouncing for a few years now.

In that respect, we believe we can't possibly vote for Nader this November, one because this is a two-way race and a vote for him would be irrelevant, and two, supporting a campaign engineered by those whose politics contradict his own.

In the end, Nader comes off as misguided, intransigent, and stubborn this election season. He should take the result in 2000 by more than just a grain of salt. Though Gore won the 2000 election anyway, even many Republicans have agreed Nader did affect the outcome in Florida, with over 90,000 votes going to him. Though Gore won Florida, there wouldn't even be a recount dispute if not for the Nader default.

With that said, Florida may very well repeat itself again.

In the end, I can forgive Nader for how he's been operating his campaign for presidency. Nader, overall, remains a breath of fresh air to democracy, and he represents the true definition of democracy as "of the people, by the people and for the people". His politics are what most of us I believe are yearning for and I commend him for continuing to hold them true.

I just hope while we sympathize with him, Nader can do the same for a majority of more liberal Americans depending on Kerry to bring America in a new direction.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

 
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