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Wind
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0 posted 01-23-2004 01:54 PM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

My "way" of saying goodbye seems to be bothersome to you. I wanted to explain so It wouldn't seem brash, but I guess it did. There are some who I will miss, some who I won't. none of you are chopped liver, and I would have elaborated but I choose not to.

If I ever feel the need to come back, I will, but it is not looking that way right now.

Thanks everyone, I've met a lot of wonderfull people here, and I thank you.

[This message has been edited by Wind (01-23-2004 04:22 PM).]

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1 posted 01-23-2004 02:09 PM       View Profile for Nightshade   Email Nightshade   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nightshade's Home Page   View IP for Nightshade

You too? Gee whiz. First I comment in Mike's post...then I see yours. Wind, there will be more moments in your life than you can imagine right now, where rules and conditions will irritate you to no end. You will be upset by what to you is unfair treatment to your friends and/or yourself. That's life. No one said it was going to be easy. When you enter someone else's home, you naturally follow the "house rules." At least that is what I was taught. We enjoy our "visit" so much, we just buck up and carry on. One might not necessarily agree with each and every rule, but, once we go back to our own homes, we no longer need to worry. I hope I am makeing sense.
  You have such a talent. I truly smiled everytime I saw that you had posted - before I even read what you had gifted us with. I am sorry you have decided to leave. Truly. Be well. Hugs, Chris
Duncan
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2 posted 01-23-2004 02:51 PM       View Profile for Duncan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Duncan

Hi kiddo.  I was just asking someone yesterday if they'd heard from you.  Guess this "explains" that.  
BluesSerenade
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3 posted 01-23-2004 02:54 PM       View Profile for BluesSerenade   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for BluesSerenade

Life is full of hard knocks!!  Be well Liz~
Sorry for the edit job, but since I was replying
to your original post it hardly makes sense now.
  

[This message has been edited by BluesSerenade (01-23-2004 05:20 PM).]

NewEnglandlazurlu
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4 posted 01-23-2004 04:23 PM       View Profile for NewEnglandlazurlu   Email NewEnglandlazurlu   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for NewEnglandlazurlu

I'm sorry you're leaving. I will miss you and your wonderful poetry.

hugs, Marti

I take no credit for my poems. Although I write them, I feel
more like I transcribe them. It's just a matter of listening.

Greeneyes
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5 posted 01-23-2004 04:36 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

quote:
b. rules are there to save members from hurt. But I am beginning to think that sometimes you pull or close threads because you feel like it. Every poem that someone writes is a part of them. If you pull it because it is not to your taste, you are pulling a part of that person and saying that they are not good enough for your standards.



Oh I can assure you The DM Team does NOT just pull a poem because we donít like it, there are several reasons why all of which I will not go into here however,  will list a few of the most common and most broken:
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1. Glorifying Suicide as a viable option to ending life
2. Cutting, Graphic Harm to oneself and or others
3. Profanity
4. Strong Sexual Overtures in OPEN forums



These are really simple and basic and in truth a part of the agreement from which everyone agrees to when entering the site, the DM team (and we are) did not make the rules, Ron decided that.  

quote:
c. people wonít stick up for others because they are afraid that they will get in trouble with the moderators and be expelled or otherwise humiliated. I felt like that for too long.



Call me naive I have yet to see this happen to any one, and if it has, Ron or admins have swiftly taken care of it.   We can only do so much to get someoneís attention  sometimes the best way we know is to put a gentle reminder in a poem that says please check email;  Personally I donít like to do that but figure it serves a purpose as we hope they will come back to check repliesÖ


I have to say I am tired of everyone blaming the DMís who do their job on their own time when ever a problem arises where everyone thinks we are being so unfair, we are human aside from all this,  if you want to point fingers do so at the ones causing the problem or the ones that donít want to follow simple rules and  guidelines.  I challenge anyone to sign up and take the forums on, I think you will have better understanding and maybe a little more respect for not only Ron, but this site (do not read words into this I in no way meant anyone is being disrespectful)


Kindly Lauren~


~*~
In your light I learn how to love
In your beauty how to make poems
You dance inside my chest where
no one sees you and that sight becomes art
Ringo
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6 posted 01-23-2004 05:30 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

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b. rules are there to save members from hurt. But I am beginning to think that sometimes you pull or close threads because you feel like it. Every poem that someone writes is a part of them. If you pull it because it is not to your taste, you are pulling a part of that person and saying that they are not good enough for your standards.
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Wind- As I do not know to what you are specifically talking, I cannot speak on that... HOWEVER, I can reply to this statement. NOTHING gets pulled without it being discussed by the Mod staff. And there are some writes that are well liked by the Mods that are still pulled, or moved because they fall outside of the allowable standards set by the Admins and by Ron. And if you seem to think that it is happening more than not, then that is the way YOU se it. At least half of the writes that are discussed stay in place.
Also, having poems pulled happens to EVERYONE at least once during their time here. I have been "chastized" by the Moderators more than once, and NEVER has it been done in a mean spirited way. AS soon as I became a Mod, I immediately checked the archives to see what had been said and found that the one I had pulled my first week was pulled because I postded something that wasn't mine (and I admitted to it in the post) and the one that I had moved was done because I used the dreaded asterisk. The third time I was chastized was for a challenge we had to write about our favorite song, and I used the words to the song in parts without giving proper credit. THREE TIMES I screwed up, and I have never seen it posted where my scribble had been removed for "I didn't like it" reasons.


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people wonít stick up for others because they are afraid that they will get in trouble with the moderators and be expelled or otherwise humiliated. I felt like that for too long.
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If you would have the courage to become a Mod for even one short two-week run, you will see how much of a fallicy this statement is. The last time I was asked to change something I wrote, I was caught on a bad day and SEVERELY slammed the Mod that contacted me in a flaming e-mail that was not deserved at all... I was neither suspended, nor expelled. I also read in the Mod archives when I got here, that there were others that stood up for me in that case who were neither suspended nor expelled.
Again, I sincerely invite everyone who has been here for the required number iof posts to stop into the Members Area and request their turn at being a Mod. THEN ,and only then, do you have the right to make such statements.
Just my thoughts.

Cause in my dreams it's always there
The evil face that twists my mind
And brings me to despair.

Titia Geertman
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7 posted 01-23-2004 10:38 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman

Hey sweety, I missed a lot here so it seems.

I'm sorry to see you go, but maybe that's part of growing up I suppose.

I'm sure you'll return someday, if only to say 'Hi sweety' to this 'ol' Dutchie

Be safe, where ever you go.

Titia

Like scattered leaves...my words will flow

Aenimal
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8 posted 01-23-2004 10:42 PM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

The problem is consistency, some people have been able to get away with things they shouldn't have in Open. This is what Liz is referring to when she says it seems like mods pull what they want to.
garysgirl
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9 posted 01-24-2004 02:40 AM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

Liz, I didn't see the thread before you edited it. But, I doubt it would have made any difference in what I'm going to say.

All I want to say....in all sincerity....is that I already miss you (and all the others of my friends who are staying away from PIP for whatever reasons) and that I wish that you wouldn't leave. I love your poetry and I love you too, my little friend.

Please take care....and I would like to hear from you sometimes.
With love and hugs,
Ethel
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10 posted 01-24-2004 03:43 AM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

Ringo, the star next to Liz's name isn't because she's sheriff. She's done a tour so by your rules she IS allowed to offer her thoughts. I'd offer my opinion I'll have to become a mod first so that THEN, and only then I can share them with you.
nakdthoughts
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11 posted 01-24-2004 09:29 AM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

I don't mean to sound brash either, Wind and I have always enjoyed all the poets who have seemed to move on, but I don't understand  why in announcements the condemnation of moderators or this site and it's rules...there are feelings and  questions forums and emails to those behind the scenes who are in charge, to do that...why the need for attention... and  although there were times I was unhappy and thought maybe was treated unfairly, I decided that this site had much more to offer and  I don't understand why such a good bye..if you want to leave and only care about some people  why not just email them or chat with them and say goodbye.

Why make a big deal about it. Why delete the  main post so no one is sure of what your reasonings are or the responses to them and why have others speak for you.

We all interpret poetry differently, we are different generations and what is acceptable to some is not to others and if the guidelines "seem" not to be followed, then actions take place to satisfy the rules.

Many  have left before and many have returned. If it was me and I was leaving for good and felt I had good reason to justify it ( that had to do with the rules or poets on here ...for whatever reason), I wouldn't need the attention...I would just go on my way.

I wish all those who leave, the "findings" of whatever they are looking for.

Maureen
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12 posted 01-24-2004 12:09 PM       View Profile for Riley   Email Riley   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Riley

liz-
i've "lefT" pip for about 3 months now, and i do miss it, but i don't know. i mean, it won't be the same without your poetry...it just won't. how can you have pip talk without the dark poetry works of liz? ...but seriously, i've found myself every once and a while coming back to pip, but sometimes life just gets busy..right? i pop in occasionally, and no one notices, but i read..some. i look for certain people that i haven't talked to in ages. but i hope you come back someday....in 3 or 4 months.... ...i'll be back someday too....maybe during summer...hmm.

*always*
riley

*truth be told, you could slit my throat, and with my last breath, i would apologize for bleeding on your shirt

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13 posted 01-24-2004 12:46 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I'll miss you sista witch--take care and be well.

Aenimal
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14 posted 01-24-2004 01:45 PM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

"there are feelings and  questions forums and emails to those behind the scenes who are in charge"

Maureen, the answer is that sometimes these avenues are exhausted or yield absolutely no resolution. Some mods seem outright arrogant and some won't bother to discuss things with you. I know this from my own experience. There are two particular mods that frustrate me to no end. I've asked for their help and have been outright ignored or lied to. It's out of frustration, total exasperation that people write and sometimes regret these goodbyes.


Many of these threads aren't an attack on all mods, or the rules. Sometimes it's a matter of inconsistency that makes people irate. I have complained yes but I also know there are some fantastic mods as well. I've had poems pulled but because certain mods were willing to speak to me and hear my case they were allowed to remain. I have nothing but praise for many of the mods. For example Sunshine, whom I deal with almost exclusively, has always been an amazing help and I have nothing but respect for her.
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15 posted 01-24-2004 02:32 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

Raph- You are 100 % correct, and I do apologize to Wind. I didn't even see the star when I posted.
I should probably take this time to back away for a few... I'm starting to allow my personals to affect what I do here.
Anyways... I'll be back.
Thanks all.

Cause in my dreams it's always there
The evil face that twists my mind
And brings me to despair.

Mysteria
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16 posted 01-25-2004 12:19 AM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Life is sadly all about choices, and I am so sorry you chose this one, but seeing that you have, I wish you well.  I enjoyed your work very much while you were here, and know it will only grow in time, and I will certainly miss seeing that.  Be well.
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17 posted 01-25-2004 12:31 AM       View Profile for passing shadows   Email passing shadows   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for passing shadows

this makes me sad
vlraynes
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18 posted 01-25-2004 03:06 AM       View Profile for vlraynes   Email vlraynes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit vlraynes's Home Page   View IP for vlraynes


Take care, Liz...you'll be missed, my friend...
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19 posted 01-25-2004 05:53 AM       View Profile for Marshalzu   Email Marshalzu   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marshalzu's Home Page   View IP for Marshalzu

Take care Wind
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20 posted 01-25-2004 07:44 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

You are an amazing young lady. We're going to miss you. Take care.
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21 posted 01-25-2004 12:06 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Wind~
May the soft breezes that blew you our way take you gently into a land of poetic pleasure~
You have much to share ... share it somewhere~
*Huglets*
~*Marge*~


~*When the heart grieves over what it has lost,
the spirit rejoices over what it has left.
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