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Greeneyes
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50 posted 01-07-2004 06:32 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

LMAO thats great.....well it is!!!!

~~**~~
This morning theres a calm I cant explain
By the time I recognize this moment it will be gone,  
I will bend light pretending it lingers on

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51 posted 01-07-2004 07:07 PM       View Profile for KristieSue   Email KristieSue   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit KristieSue's Home Page   View IP for KristieSue

Unfortunately, Ron's house has a screen door and it doesn't keep out all he would like at times...

Yeah, I think Ron's screen door has a hole in it...

you're awesome Cpat...lmao

Failure isn't failure if a lesson from it is learned ~ KS

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52 posted 01-07-2004 08:23 PM       View Profile for RSWells   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RSWells

Where's your pride man? This was annoying enough 6 months ago.


Why do some men (I've not seen a woman do it here yet) feel compelled to make a pathetic gesture of "leaving?" I suspect it is to elicit sympathy and a craving for someone of the female persuasion to grab their leg.

Go quietly as I do from time to time.
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53 posted 01-07-2004 08:26 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Welcome home, Richard.
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54 posted 01-07-2004 08:43 PM       View Profile for Duncan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Duncan

Chuckling...to quote a friend.
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55 posted 01-07-2004 08:50 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

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56 posted 01-07-2004 08:58 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman

What amazes me Peter, in your so called sincerety, is that you pulled out this long forgotten thread from the archives to plea you're case of returning here.

If I had been you and as sincere as you claim to be, I just had mailed Ron a quiet letter, explaining and asking for a second chance.

But no, you didn't, you had to drag out all the trash first in order to be sure to have an audience again. In my opinion you're nothing but a spoiled child, who thinks NO isn't an answer. And in stead of acting sincere, you're playing the same silly game again, by trying to sneak in the wrong way.

I think you've used up more than your credit here Peter, time to move on, go bother someone else.

Titia

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57 posted 01-07-2004 09:20 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

at the risk of doing so myself, i feel confident that one of the reasons some people choose to behave in this way, is because they get a "kick" out of seeing others scurry in response.

i think the best way to deal, is to...

i g n o r e   t h e m.


don't support the behaviour by responding to it.

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58 posted 01-07-2004 09:33 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

...which is exactly why I haven't responded to this thread...
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59 posted 01-07-2004 09:36 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Me either
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60 posted 01-07-2004 09:37 PM       View Profile for Duncan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Duncan

C...I strongly subscribe to the same school of thought, however it's been my experience, that some do not "get" being ignored any more than they "get" being reasoned with or treated fairly.
This behavior has a deep effect on those directly involved and I am glad to see it being spoken about in the "light of day".

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61 posted 01-07-2004 09:47 PM       View Profile for KristieSue   Email KristieSue   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit KristieSue's Home Page   View IP for KristieSue

Let it be known...

I have not and will not respond to Peter.  What goes on in that situation is between he and Ron.  But I had to respond to Cpat LOL

Failure isn't failure if a lesson from it is learned ~ KS

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62 posted 01-07-2004 10:15 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

...and we all want Cpat to know that he is as important to this site as any of those who came here from the first day.

Cpat...

you have all of us with you.
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63 posted 01-07-2004 10:21 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
Interesting in some ways... to know that there is only so much anyone can do to keep another off this sight without completely locking it down

It is a battle at times, Ron, and it's not one I particularly want to fight. I actually HAVE locked down the site a few times, by closing registrations, and I'm sure I'll do it again. "Big" has never been our goal, and I find no personal satisfaction in racking up high numbers. If we have to turn away people to maintain quality, then weíll turn away people.

Those who manage to sneak in through a backdoor eventually are discovered, though.

I would never have noticed Wayfarer's IP address today had he not had a poem pulled for questionable content. In reading the poem, only a short time after Peter's first post and my first answer, I recognized the same predilection for senseless violence that got Peter in trouble six months ago. I simply put two and two together and did some checking. Was it just luck? Perhaps, but I'd like to think we don't ban people for frivolous or unsubstantiated reasons, and those reasons don't go away just because they get a new username. They inevitably do exactly what got them in trouble the first time, making it pretty easy to make two and two add up to four.

When they are discovered, as I think they always are, my recourse is always the same. I systematically track down every post, every reply, every footprint they've left on the site and delete them. They no longer exist, and all the time and effort they invested in thwarting our system is wasted. Very few are willing to waste it again and again.

In the nearly five years these doors have been open, weíve banned relatively few people, but all of those seem to fall within one of three groups. Most are what I call drive-bys. The come, they raise a ruckus, then they go. A few have been angry rebels. They push the boundaries just because there ARE boundaries, and when they eventually push too hard, theyíre asked to leave. Most do, though seldom without a few choice words in parting. Angry rebels donít generally suffer their outrage quietly.  

The third group is the scary one.

Some few people, and thankfully they have been few, are in very serious need of counseling. They are often paranoid, always self-righteous, and too frequently they become obsessed with both the Internet and, more specifically, with our forums. One woman, for month after month after month, tried to get into the forums nearly every single day, often several times a day, even though I closed every door soon after she found it. Thatís not determination, thatís psychotic obsession. She needs help, desperately, and thereís not a damn thing I can do to convince her. Except, perhaps, deny her the substitute for help these forums for a time gave her.

For what itís worth, and only in my opinion, there are currently two people active in the forums right now who would be much better served in a hospital. One is a banned Member, with a truly evil temper and a penchant for hurting people with her words, who has managed to sneak in with a new ISP. The other is a relatively new Member who has already had altercations with half a dozen others, but has so far been careful to limit her rants to private email. Neither, I believe, is fully responsible for the way she acts, but both will nonetheless be held accountable. Soon enough, they will be gone.

Only to be replaced by others just like them. Nothing ever gets easier, all of us need to be careful. There are bears in them there woods.

quote:
I do find it to be an issue for me.. to think that some here support the ones banned and actually aid them in gaining access to the things posted and or in generally creating an atmosphere of discontent and unfairness..

Me, too. They take what we have to offer, but refuse to give what we ask of them in return. I think Winona Ryder got arrested for something very similar? Itís hard to respect someone who straddles the gorge, lacking both the courage of their convictions and the integrity of their promises, unwilling to either stand or walk away. Theyíll discover, I suspect, that straddling a yawning hole in the Earth is a good way to fall into one. If they canít make a choice, theyíll find it made for them. Theyíll be outed. And ousted.

The American judicial system is often criticized for protecting the rights of the criminal. Unfortunately, that seems to be the necessary cost of protecting the rights of the innocent. Itís frustrating that, in trying to be fair to those who donít deserve it, we are often unfair to those who donít deserve that either. Trouble is, thatís the only way that works.

I sincerely believe that in time everyone always gets what they do deserve, though. Patience isnít just a virtue. Sometimes, itís a survival trait.  
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64 posted 01-07-2004 10:39 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

sorta like "Time wounds all heels", Ron?
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65 posted 01-07-2004 10:43 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Very appropriate Spoonerism there, 'deer.
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66 posted 01-08-2004 08:52 AM       View Profile for Cpat Hair   Email Cpat Hair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cpat Hair

Ron.. it is the third group which concerns me the most. They are as you say in need of serious counseling or medical help. To stalk or hound a person or a place is an obsessive behavior pattern that not only indicates the person needs help, but is at times a threat to others. Such behavior when it is aided or enabled and encouraged by others can spiral completely out of the realms of mere annoyance or unpleasantness into situations where people genuinely get hurt.

People are People, and some are good, some are bad, and some are disturbed and need help... too bad that there are sides drawn when someone is banned and the ones who need help are further dragged into mindless chaos by some who would use the situation for excitement in their lives, or to settle old scores, or simply to think and feel like they are in control.
In my humble opinion... those who work from the inside or behind the scenes to stir such people and such situation up..are truly a sorry lot of self absorbed and self important people who would like to think themselves above the norm....

I appreciate this place, and the work you and the people you have empowered to help you do everyday to make it the kind of place it is. I personally am a bit gun shy right now about posting and interacting, but I'm here and I do appreciate all you have done.

that screen door..lol.. I know about the screen doors.. sometimes they just let the no-see-ums in and they bite....
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67 posted 01-08-2004 10:37 AM       View Profile for Nightshade   Email Nightshade   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nightshade's Home Page   View IP for Nightshade

  to what Cpat. said.
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68 posted 01-08-2004 12:08 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

I've avoided any comment until now, but am thankful our wizard is the keeper of the keys and locks. Thank you, Ron.

It's sad when someone feels they need to try to 'break in' after violating house rules, when all they ever had to do to be to be invited and to stay was to follow some very basic rules of respect.
As for Capt? even when you have do it 'hit and run' style, its a pleasure to read you.
And it's also great to have Richard pop in here.
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69 posted 01-08-2004 02:10 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

I couldn't agree with Ron C more on all counts in what he said here,as sometimes I just love to argue with him.  The third group of people he mentioned are NOT responsible for how they act, but we really have to stop encouraging them, and aiding in their activities in here.  They are sick, and fueling their fire is not a way to help them.  If members in here take from Ron the space they require to post poetry, or interact with friends, then they certainly shouldn't turn around and violate that respect he gives you, by aiding in any disruption in these forums.  That is what anyone is doing who encourages their obsessions at these forums.  These folks will be gone eventually, but what is it doing to your reputation if you stay here  and have bitten the very hand that feeds you?  Others will take their place, but if you want to help these people, don't encourage their obsessions. They are hurting themselves more than others that has to be clear to those helping them.

As for the person currently being discussed, he will probably be one in many if the doors are not closed to new members, and just like those before him, he will go, and more will come, so Ron thank you for cleaning up after them.

This has turned into a rather wholesome, friendly community of poets and in order to keep it that way, we all must be open and honest and report directly any infractions to the Administration of the site, not encourage it, or hide it.  To state the bottom line here, Ron doesn't need this, and if we want this to remain the site it is, we must all do our small part in keeping it the fine site that it is.

I certainly appreciate this site, and have something to show my granddaughter when she comes over, to teach her that the written word is a wonderful thing, more wonderful than television.      

Now let's all write some wonderful poetry?

Again, thank you Ron for all you do, and hopefully the two existing members will read this and get the help they so desperately need.

Ron T - that screen door..lol.. I know about the screen doors.. sometimes they just let the no-see-ums in and they bite....

Ron, I had a stalker encounter on the internet, and it scared the life out of me.  It turned out the kid (not a man,) was out of New York, and he was just a kid.  Until I got that information from your police down there, I lived in fear constantly of what I assumed was a nasty man, because I allowed it.  If I had to do it again, I would have reported it instantly, giving names, and all the data I could to get rid of him faster.  If I had reported his ISP to the carrier, they would have taken away his connection.  The site I was at then didn't want to help me at all, and that is NOT The case here, Ron cares about this site, and the people on it.  That is why I am here and intend to stay here, and enjoy what it stands for and represents on this crazy internet.

I now know if the holes in the screen door are too big, carry Raid!   It is good to get it out in the open and get this behind us all here.

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70 posted 01-28-2004 09:09 PM       View Profile for Dr.Moose1   Email Dr.Moose1   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dr.Moose1

Pete,
Let's see, you're ticked off because you cannot post certain writings because they violate site code,
you're more ticked off because you feel this site has singled you out as a "bad" element.
You're even more ticked off because???? (no one elses' writings are promoting suicide, and getting away with it?)
Let's have another run at this,
Ya signed up. Ya agreed to the format.
ya bent "da rules" ya got your pinkies slapped( boo-hoo!). Sorry pal, I've had the "asterisk police" after me, and let me tell ya, ya don't wanna be messin' with that bunch, but,you go where you feel it's necessary, you write what you feel, and everyone on this site will back you up,
but just not here. Done ramblin'.
Doc
 
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