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Miah
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since 08-26-2002
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25 posted 07-28-2003 10:04 AM       View Profile for Miah   Email Miah   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Miah

serenity said:

"If that makes me a butt kissing fool?
Somebody hand me a tissue before I kiss you."

ROFL  thanks for the visual..lol


Peter,

There have been a lot of people that posted their complaints about having there post pulled.  I am sure your not the only one.  The fact is, this is a family site, as you noticed when you signed up you did not have to be 18 to enter.  Ron created mature content for such things.  sigh...you can't please everyone, if you think the grass is greener on the other side then go for it.  If not you need to respect the wishes of the owner of this site.  Again, good luck in all you do.


littlewing
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since 03-02-2003
Posts 9998
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26 posted 07-28-2003 10:25 AM       View Profile for littlewing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for littlewing

Goodbye Peter phoenix
risingphoenix
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27 posted 07-28-2003 11:09 AM       View Profile for risingphoenix   Email risingphoenix   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for risingphoenix

I have just been directly accused of being this opther user by the very head of this sight, in a very offensive e:mail he basically said that this user had no more excuses and that they wouldn't waste time.

Well with advertisement like that to a new user I just don't know how you lot can stay here.  I don't know why I am being accused, if it's IP then all I can say is that somehow things are going wrong as I am not in the same country.

But I think I may have to follow this person's lead since apparently I am that user and therefore not worthy of moderation either.

I do find it interesting when you lot say follow the rules.  I have just read a poem in 'fdark poetry #3' that is about someone wishing to die in what seems like a motorcycle crash.  With great emphasis on hot pipes lancing into their body and so on.  While this maybe a symbolism of a struggle at life or whatever it was far more blatantly a vioilation of the rules, yet THAT POST is apparently ok to the mods.

This kind of bias only further fuels the fires that make your site appear corrupt and unfair.  You can't go around saying obey the rules if some are allowed to get away with it even without things being pulled.

I have hardly been here two minutes and sudenly I am on a blacklist for being opulled.  This kind of unfairness is unecessary.

I offer this:

Abandoned, destroy, violated,
Thrown onto the fire,
Left to bear the hatred,
Of the one who owns the pyre.

Targeted, watched, burned,
Hated, berated, spurned,
Murdered, betrayed, decieved,
Outcast, Ignored, disbelieved.

The true policy of this place,
Targeting those with shadow's face,
Raising anger within the wound,
Watch you leave, discontinued.

FNG, die on the flames,
Taste the ignorant,
Believe not your argument,
I am far too arrogant.

Well to this I turn my back,
Walking to the shadows place,
Shaking my head at the ones who lack,
The courage, to turn on this corrupted face.


I too shall walk free of here, the moderator are not worthy of seeing my work and they shall not, I can be an ignorant person too, how does it feel?
Wind
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28 posted 07-28-2003 11:18 AM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

sorry it "has" to end this way

insanity is not a crime

Sunshine
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29 posted 07-28-2003 11:35 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Peter phoenix, even your style of writing tells us that you are trying to be a sheep in wolf's clothing.  We offered our friendship, our rules & guidelines, even our understanding.

A new member, such as rising phoenix, would not and could not be so apt as to take up Peter Marcroft's crusade if he were not privy to all of the past happenings.  

I wish you well, Sir.
Janet Marie
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since 01-22-2000
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30 posted 07-28-2003 11:38 AM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

how does it feel?
well, since you asked ...

.... like I'm watching a re-run of Peter's long winded, Ron bashing, moderator hating, disrespectful, egostistical, drama queen exit.

nakdthoughts
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since 10-29-2000
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Between the Lines


31 posted 07-28-2003 11:55 AM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

it seems like either/or both/one  can't seem to leave here and just stay away...continually posting poetry on your/their exit.

Just the fact that this has remained on here condemning many  besides the  moderators and owner seems to show that if  they wanted to... and were as  corrupt as you describe them to be, they would just delete you as if you never existed...and be done with it.
Ron
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32 posted 07-28-2003 12:19 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

risingphoenix said:  
quote:
I have no idea what you mean, I only read two of this guys poems, otherwise I do not know of him, in fact I have looked up at his profile and it says England, I am not from that country so cannot be the same person.

When risingphoenix had a poem pulled about a week ago, he wrote the Moderator who pulled it with a defense of the poem's content. No problem there, of course. But he, uh, forgot to remove his name from the email header, so it came in as "Peter james Marcroft" risingphoenix@something.com

With that rather blatant clue (sic) staring us in the face, we checked the IP addresses and weren't terribly surprised to find them coming from the same ISP. As Nan alluded, this was something of a vindication of our methods. The Moderators didn't know that risingphoenix was Peter J Marcroft when the poem was pulled, proving that any witch hunt wasn't against him, but against offensive poetry.

Having a poem or two pulled isn't a big deal. When we tackle certain subjects, we take a risk and can only hope that our writing ability is equal to our ambition. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, and the author often isn't the best judge of that. Taking risks is a good thing. When the poet makes a habit of posting poems that need to ultimately be pulled, it starts to become a bit more of a problem. When they refuse to listen, the problem escalates. Our Moderators are all volunteers, and I won't have them spending an inordinate amount of time reviewing the work of one author. I'd much rather see them writing. It's only happened about five times in four years, but at some point I ask them to stop wasting their time on someone apparently unwilling to listen. No more emails, no more warnings, no more long discussions on every poem. Pull posts as needed, then get on with more important things. That's the corner into which Peter managed to paint himself.

And you know, it's still not a real big deal. It's simply a procedure we follow, one that after four years has become pretty routine.

Lying to me, on the other hand, is a big deal.

"Is it my fault," risingphoenix wrote to me this morning, "That more than one person in the world shares the same forename and surname?" And the same middle initial? And the same ISP, even though allegedly in two different countries? Yea, right.

I dislike lies, and I REALLY dislike it when someone thinks we're all stupid. And as many of you have noticed over the years, I go just a little spastic when people feel the need to threaten. In a second letter this morning, risingphoenix wrote (in part):

"I know lots of scandanavian poets who were looking into finding publication placres on the net to recieve some kind of feedback on their work. Rest assured that I will be sending a copy of this e:mail to all of them and that I shall be advertising your site negatively. I could have brought you hundreds of users, well now I will onyl drive them away and I think they too will drive away their friends, and the chain will go on and on."

I have no problem with border-line posts, I welcome criticism, but I will not tolerate lies and threats (even empty ones).

Peter is history.

This time, really.  
Toad
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33 posted 07-28-2003 12:27 PM       View Profile for Toad   Email Toad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toad

You forgot to mention one thing Ron...

Did he know the toad to prince spell?



[This message has been edited by Toad (07-28-2003 12:29 PM).]

serenity blaze
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since 02-02-2000
Posts 28839


34 posted 07-28-2003 12:54 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I agree.

He just sorta petered out.

littlewing
Member Rara Avis
since 03-02-2003
Posts 9998
New York


35 posted 07-28-2003 02:41 PM       View Profile for littlewing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for littlewing

ba - pa - cha . . .

*Karen exits the stage*
Titia Geertman
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since 05-07-2001
Posts 5297
Netherlands


36 posted 07-28-2003 07:37 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman


I'm not religious but I think it's time to say "Amen" and get on with what we're here for....writing poetry !!!

Thank you Ron for the patience you showed here.

Titia

Like scattered leaves...my words will flow

suthern
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on the threshold of a dream


37 posted 07-29-2003 05:02 PM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

Ron: I can only say my hat's off to you... you have more patience than Job himself!
Local Rebel
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since 12-21-1999
Posts 5742
Southern Abstentia


38 posted 07-30-2003 12:09 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I feel so left out now.

I've never had a poem pulled.  And I've never been Peter J. Marcoft.  And I never said that I was leaving to troll for responses.  And I never wasted so many pixels in my life.

So many things I've never done.

I'm going to lose my reputation.  
suthern
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39 posted 07-30-2003 10:43 AM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

But Reb... you're not totally without charm. *cheeky grin*
peter marcroft
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40 posted 01-07-2004 02:45 PM       Edit/Delete Message     View IP for peter  marcroft

Boo!  You cannot kill what does not live, gone forever?  I go where I choose, I offered to bury our differences as a good christian would, you failed to listen, but rifts are sad and I am not here to cause trouble merely to plea for a chance to redeem myself.

I made some offensive comments and my bitterness made me many enemies.  I do not want that, I want to be given the chance to show myself as the poet I am, rather than scar myself with these ridiculously bitter posts that I have made in the past.
Ron
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41 posted 01-07-2004 03:18 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I'm glad to hear you feel that way, Peter. No hard feelings on this end, I assure you.

However, your chance to redeem yourself will have to come in the form of taking what you learned from this incident and applying it to the NEXT web site you choose to frequent. While I harbor no animosity, you pretty much used up your quota of second chances around here. I wish you the best of luck.
peter marcroft
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Michigan, US


42 posted 01-07-2004 03:51 PM       Edit/Delete Message     View IP for peter marcroft

If you truly had no hard feelings you would let go if this judgemental attitude and allow me back.

It has been six months, it is not six days.  Coming back here has meant that I have had to swallow alot of pride, not an easy thing for anyone to do.  

All I am asking is to be given a clean slate and the chance to post again.  I am not asking for forgiveness, I am not asking for you to suddenly proclaim that everything is all right, because it is isn't.  But my eyes have been opened over this exceptionally long period of abstinence and I want to be given the chance to try again, please give me that chance, I ask for no more.
Ron
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43 posted 01-07-2004 04:09 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

But you're still trying to lie to us, Peter. And apparently you still think everyone in the world is stupid.

You cannot post easily in these forums under two different usernames without the software being aware of it. Of course, I expect you to deny it as you did in the past, and maybe claim that Wayfarer lives in another country, but your tactics didn't work six months ago and they won't work now. Sadly, you've seemingly learned very little.
peter marcroft
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Michigan, US


44 posted 01-07-2004 04:53 PM       Edit/Delete Message     View IP for peter marcroft

I got tired of being exiled, but I also knew of how you would come out with your 'You've blown all your chances' thing.

I want to try with one username, I want to go back to the start.  yes I've done things that are wrong.

But I ask to be allowed back purely so that I can show you how much I have learnt.  Unless of course you have not learnt how to forgive.  If that is the case then I am sad for you.

I want to just be given the chance, I ask for nothing else in return, I just want the chance to try again.  Why won;t you let me?  Is it pride interfering?  Is it genuine concern?  I don't know what it is, but from one christian to another I ask you to forgive and let us try from the start once more.
peter marcroft
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Michigan, US


45 posted 01-07-2004 05:05 PM       Edit/Delete Message     View IP for peter marcroft

I am simply asking to be given the chanca, no more lies, no more pain.  I am an artist and I wish to express it.

I have said my due, if you are unable to lay aside your problems then all I can do is apologise to everyone on your behalf.

I Have ocme here today and emerged from the shadows.  I didn't have to, I didn't have to ask your permission and be given a chance again.  I could have carried on under the alias and had no truck with it.

I want to be given  a chance, otherwise I would have continued to lie.  I am not a traitor and if you decide the final answer is no then I shall walk away from here.

But by doing so you will have shown how you are unable to accept a genuine peace offering and the chance for someone to lay aside their grievances.  I want this to end Ron, I want this stand off, this feud to be buried.  And I am pleaing with you to play the game with me here, to lay aside what happened.  

I leave it to you, I'll expect your answer at some time, I have nothing more to say.  I ahve asked and I have pleaded.  I have taken responsibility and generally been a man, I ask the same of you.
Ron
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46 posted 01-07-2004 05:38 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Sigh.

Had you been more upfront in your first post today, I might be more inclined to trust your sincerity. It might have made a difference. Probably not enough, I'll admit, because by sneaking in the backdoor as Wayfarer you showed you still don't respect what WE want, only what YOU want. Actions speak louder than words, and I just don't need people around me who feel our rules exist only to be circumvented.

Lack of forgiveness has absolutely nothing to do with my decision, Peter. I long ago forgave my ex for any problems we had, but that certainly doesn't mean I intend to revisit those problems by letting her back into my life. Second chances are good. Fifth and sixth chances are just masochistic. At some point, it's simply time to move on.

I, nonetheless, still wish you well and hope you'll find a place more in harmony with your own philosophies.
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47 posted 01-07-2004 05:41 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

is this kinda like wanting something you cant have??  personally I hope he locks this thread....
peter marcroft
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48 posted 01-07-2004 05:54 PM       Edit/Delete Message     View IP for peter marcroft

Well I am not surprised, yet again you choose the easy way out.  

Well I tried, I tried to be fair, I tried to reasonable, but it seems it is not enough.  I don't know Ron, maybe it is because you can't face your mistakes but either way it does you no credit.  I am not the only one who has tried to get back and have a PROPER second chance.  Who has tried to heal the rift and let go, but yet everytime you have chosen to band and exile people.  

I wanted to share my new material, I wanted to be given a fresh start.  Well fine I guess I will have to walk another path.  But We will not disappear Ron, even YOU make mistakes, it is time you faced them
Cpat Hair
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49 posted 01-07-2004 06:15 PM       View Profile for Cpat Hair   Email Cpat Hair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cpat Hair

Interesting in some ways... to know that there is only so much anyone can do to keep another off this sight without completely locking it down and doing some sort of "background" check on who was allowed to enter and who was not. Even then the chance exists that those who have been asked or told to leave could and probably some determined soul would find ways to re-enter.

I personally used to think this a safe place to share poetry and to be among people who were tolerant as well as peaceful. I have no beefs with the way it is run or with someone checking my words to see if they are deemed offensive for the general populace... if they are not, then havng it pulled creates no stress for me, I would simply find another venue to display it in if I chose..or rewrite it to not be as offensive..or find the forum here it fit..

I do find it to be an issue for me.. to think that some here support the ones banned and actually aid them in gaining access to the things posted and or in generally creating an atmosphere of discontent and unfairness..

Ron owns,to my knowledge, this sight and it is in his house I come from time to time and offer a few words. Words that have been misunderstood at times, turned into something ugly at times in people's minds..when it was never my intent for them to be so. Unfortunately, Ron's house has a screen door and it doesn't keep out all he would like at times... still he keeps a pretty clean house, so I take my shoes off at the door and respect the things he says are rules and try to respect as well the people he empowered to help monitor those rules.
It's the screen door thing however, and past experiences which leaves me now holding my shoes when I enter... ready to run if I have to.

Peter... I wish you well where ever you go... and the "WE" you refer to as well...
I simply never understood why anyone wanted to be or tried to be where they were not wanted... and sometimes even the most saintly of us wear out a welcome...

Ron.. thank you for the years I've spent here and the forums to post...

and for all the ones who have left or been asked to leave..or told to leave.. and still lurk around or have someone else on the sight
feeding you posts or festering resentments..

well.. (and ron you can edit this if you need to)...

they can kiss my ass...

 
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