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Mistletoe Angel 
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
Our resident friend and poet David Young has provided a link to a site which is gathering poems from all different poets across the world in promoting peace and a stop to war on Iraq. http://poetsagainstthewar.org/ Submit your poetry by February 12 and help bring relief to the world! Sincerely, Noah Eaton "Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..." Shakira [This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (02-05-2003 09:22 AM).] |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
http://www.iqpoetry.com/index.php Here is another link to a poetry forum which is promoting "peace poetry", also affliated with the Poets Against The War campaign! So I urge you all, submit your sincere heartfelt messages, this is urgent, for the more they get, the more support we will offer to the victims of this cruel war campaign!  Love, Noah Eaton "Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..." Shakira [This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (02-05-2003 01:29 PM).] |
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Cpat Hair
since 2001-06-05
Posts 11793 |
At the risk of being strung up... I have to ask a question or two. 1. Your child is playing in the playground after school and you let them. each night they play there but you hear reports that another kid there has a gun. Do you simply turn the playground over to the rumor and the other kid with the gun or do you confront them and try to make the playground a safer place for all? 2. You have relatives in the same city as you. Over the years you have worked in many parts of the city as a policeman. Sometimes making enemies, sometimes making terrible mistakes in how you handled things. As time goes by, some of those people you have "wronged" through your efforts to do what you thought was right are sending threatening letters to your relatives. Your spouse is afraid to open packages, Your father and mother are afraid to walk the streets for fear of being attacked. Do you close your eyes allow those people to continue? Do you allow what happened in the past due to your bad judgement keep you from pursuing the people that are threatening? No one wants war I think... or very few people... but I can not protest against it only mourn the fact it may indeed be what it takes. now.. I'll stand here and let everyone line up to throw tomatoes at me... |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
"A world where peace and love are out of sight leaves little hope to live without a fight." - Christiane Grenzebach, Germany “All people are able to listen to the voices of our plea…but only those with hearts will fulfill them”. Tais Lintz, Ontario, Canada "The world either lives in peace or soon there won't be a world to live in." Ricardo Alfaya, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Sincerely, Noah Eaton "Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..." Shakira [This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (02-05-2003 02:05 PM).] |
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nakdthoughts Member Laureate
since 2000-10-29
Posts 19200Between the Lines |
for Ron..when we are young, we are idealistic..when we mature we become realistic. Just my thoughts upon agreeing with you. |
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Poet deVine
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Putting tomatoes in my salad here.. |
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Marshalzu
since 2001-02-15
Posts 2681Lurking |
I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me if there is a place where I can post my pro-war poetry? |
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Crazy Eddie Member
since 2002-09-14
Posts 178 |
Marshalzu I believe Downing Street is accepting submissions, Blair will probably use them as undeniable evidence.  |
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Denise
Moderator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
My tomatoes are going into my salad as well. Peace at any price is not peace. |
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Local Parasite
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg |
"War doesn't determine who's right, it determines who's left." Don't know who said that originally, I've heard it floating around. I do agree with it, though. If war can be avoided, it should be. Noah, I'll see if I can write anything for the cause... thank you for the heads-up. [This message has been edited by Local Parasite (02-05-2003 09:02 PM).] |
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Poet deVine
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
I think it's great that you are doing this. I wish there would never be another war - ever. Write away!! I'll read you guys..don't worry. Peace!! (from a child of the 60's) |
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Balladeer
Administrator
Member Empyrean
since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Ron, now YOU have said it better than I ever could  |
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PoetryIsLife
since 2001-10-27
Posts 1763...in my boxers... |
I may not agree with this administrations reasons for the war, but, Ron, you put it very, very well. War is evil. Men are evil. What do you do? You protect your own nation first. ~Titus Es ist gut, daß das Leben die Toten studieren sollte. |
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Neeraja Senior Member
since 2002-06-22
Posts 812The Netherlands |
We can't even keep peace in our own envirements... included families... maybe we should start there first... Neeraja |
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bsquirrel
since 2000-01-03
Posts 7855 |
There's no way to stop a war machine once it gets its tank filled, but it's a nice gesture. I know it's over. |
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regards2you Member Elite
since 2002-10-01
Posts 3940California |
Ron said it perfectly. Pat ..without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.. |
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suthern
since 1999-07-29
Posts 20723Louisiana |
Tomatoes, Ron??? Not a chance... But if I had roses, I might toss a few of those your way. *S* Needed said... well said. *S* I sent this to Toe earlier this week... the rest of you might as well suffer it, too. *G* I can't think of a single time through history when people... and here I mean ordinary people who're just wanting to live their lives... WANTED war. But with no war, this country we love so much wouldn't exist. It was bought for us with the blood of soldiers. With no war, we'd probably not be a democracy and certainly not have the freedom to protest war... our way of life and our freedom are gifts to us from those who fought wars they certainly didn't want. So this is my "poetic" contribution... I've never been a soldier... but I've stood and waved goodbye. I've never been out on the front... but I've prayed and I've cried. I don't make the decisions... the future's in another's hands And my gut wrenches watching others leave for foreign lands But I believe in freedom and I know it can be lost I'll pray for peace... but more, I'll pray for those who'll pay its cost. [This message has been edited by suthern (02-07-2003 09:37 AM).] |
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Krawdad Member Elite
since 2001-01-03
Posts 2597 |
Hey all, By all means, write which ever kind of poetry you like, pro-war or again' it, and be quick about it. (With one more excuse, this administration will take more severe steps to shut off your freedom of speech, or at least your freedom of movement, US citizen or otherwise.) But please, let's leave the _mongering and the strawmen out of this, ok? It contributes only to misunderstanding and flock behavior. Let's be better than that. There are a great many innocent lives at stake here, not to mention grave social consequences. Some of us would prefer to risk our lives to protest war, some would prefer to risk their lives in war, and some of us have done both and know the difference. Kraw' |
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Krawdad Member Elite
since 2001-01-03
Posts 2597 |
Oh, and by the way, there are indeed many who want war, just listen to them. But I doubt it is the people of Iraq who have no food, no water and no electricity. |
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Henri Bardo Junior Member
since 2002-10-15
Posts 11State of suspended inanimate |
One promoting the deaths of civilians can not be considered poetic. Those caught up in the frustrated vengeance of 9/11 have played into the hands of this illegally appointed regime, it's faux crusade, it's oily self serving motives. Those jaunty days of epaulets prancing off, lancers raised, in defense of all that's white are archaic. While resistance to this slaughter swells expect the "terror alerts" to become more crimson. What does it say that well known, respected and published poets intended to confront this in the house where such decisions are made? Are we yet so naive to think that some jackass gentleman's agreement to not assassinate world leaders is why Iraq's leader remains so? That slaughtering civilians is the only alternative? Please, all those in favor of this "war" (remember the last one? It's speedy and decisive conclusion? This one will take minutes) go to the nearest mirror and repeat "I want people to die". North Korea has nuclear capabilities, seems anxious to use them, look far more different than we and talk even funnier than the Iraqi's. So why are they not the focus for your wrath? I know why they aren't a priority for the petroleum president. I no longer advocate the murder of anyone but the lesser evil would be to assassinate what has consistently been the fly in the oi(l)ntment, Saddam Hussein. Please don't suggest it can't be done, please don't be that naive. |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
 HURRY!!! WEDNESDAY IS THE DEADLINE FOR ALL OF YOU AGAINST THE WAR TO SPEAK OUT!!! LET YOURSELVES BE HEARD!!! Sincerely, Noah Eaton [This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (02-10-2003 12:14 AM).] |
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suthern
since 1999-07-29
Posts 20723Louisiana |
Henri: Do you honestly believe there's a soul among us... and I'm talking about our poetic community here... that WANTS war? I know for damn sure I don't... I would love for this to be resolved peacefully. But I've long since learned that what I want and what is necessary may not be the same thing... and I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that terrorists won't be supplied with their every need if I just don't look. Yes, poets should use their God-given abilities with words... but they should also use their minds and common sense. I do NOT want war... but neither do I want to lose our way of life. And that's not a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11... my pathway to supporting this action has been such a rocky one my feet are bleeding... but unless a miracle happens and Saddam dies, is killed, or leaves office, I will support the people sent to oust him with every fiber of my being... The one thing I never want to see again is our soldiers vilified... they deserve better if only for the reason that their sacrifices are what gives us the freedom to sit here safely flapping our jaws. For the record, you're not the first to consider me not poetic... I'm humbled by the talent on these boards and know my place near the bottom of the pyramid. But if you think I'm promoting the deaths of civilians... or even promoting war... you're blinded by your own agenda. And M'toe... the deadline is an arbitrary one set for one particular bandwagon... Voices and pens won't be silenced after Wednesday... whatever opinions they share. [This message has been edited by suthern (02-10-2003 09:19 AM).] |
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Cpat Hair
since 2001-06-05
Posts 11793 |
(chuckling) Suthern... you are poetic... so quit talking trash about not being.... Henri... It's easy at times to want to put things in a black or white box. I do not think our actions or our ideals are black and white and you would get little to any argument about how past actions on the part of OUR country may have in fact put us in this very place. I look in the mirror each day and wonder who the old fart is looking back at me. I assure you... I do not want to kill people...nor to contribute to the misery of others. I will also however, tell you that no matter what I want or don't want, the choice is not completely mine or simply the Presidents to make. I'm guessing you had no problem turning your back on the Iraqui use of chemical weapons on the Kurds and Iranians because you were not being asked to support of sacrifice. They were so far away..and it was their business..not yours. I'm also guressing that the tales of torturing political prisoners and opposition leaders by Iraq didn't seem your concern either. They did, after all, know the risks and if they have to pay the price, it wasn't your decision nor your fault. (chuckling) I'm not picking a fight... nor trying be a butt... I just read your statements and while they have truths in them, seem to be over simplifying an issue and an understanding that is as much the fault of the US as it is Iraq. As for assassination ... I understand that we have or the opposition forces have tried..and failed. Speak up..speak loud and voice your concerns your opposition. I encourage all that feel that way to do so. Just remember when it comes time or if it comes time for our soldiers to fight...that they do so under orders..and don't blaim them. They will be doing their job. NOT a pretty job... but one they are trained to do and one that if they did not do...we might not enjoy the freedom to voice our opposition to this or any other issue. |
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scorpio Member Ascendant
since 2002-10-02
Posts 5178right...there |
I stand with Ron on this issue...I'm not for war but I think we need to confront those who would seek to destroy us...what we have is worth protecting...I say this knowing that battle may expand to involve my own son and his friends...and that frightens the hell out of me.. believe in what your heart feels... [This message has been edited by scorpio (02-10-2003 02:58 PM).] |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
 (sigh) Yes Suthern, you are right and I should clarify that: Wednesday the 12th is an important day because that is the day the U.N makes their final decision on if we are officially going to war or not. That is why it is important to submit your thoughts, the more support and participation the more we can push back this unnecessary act! Love, Noah Eaton "Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..." Shakira [This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (02-10-2003 10:54 AM).] |
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Cpat Hair
since 2001-06-05
Posts 11793 |
Noah... To my understanding the Chief Weapons Inspector is in Iraq this week and due to report to the UN on Friday. Initial meeting with Iraqi negotiators were "a start" according to official comments. I do nto think a FINAL decision will be made this Wed as to whether we are going to war or not. Also the decision would be made at the UN..and the US has already stated it would prefer to have UN backing but is ready and willing to go without it and lead a coalition force of suporting nations into an armed conflict with Iraq. It isinteresting to note... Turkey a NATO member is being denied full NATO support in helping it prepare against any eventual conflict with Iraq. The French have led the initiative to keep NATO from supplying AWACS planes and Patriot missiles to Turkey. The NATO charter calls for mutual aid in the defense of member countries... but is being deinied Turkey. Seems we are not the only ones with double standards... the French and Germans along with Belgium see it as fine to defend their countries should a threat be present but are willing to fight aid to other member countries just because the threat in question is one they have issues with. |
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Larry C
since 2001-09-10
Posts 10286United States |
The pity is the need to even have this conversation. But as one who was eligible for the draft for Viet Nam in 1968 and is not ignorant of the cost of war and loss... Peace at any price isn't peace at all. And war will always be hell. If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again. |
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garysgirl
since 2002-09-29
Posts 19237Florida, USA |
Larry, Capt. Ron, Noah and everyone else here.......I wasn't going to say anything, until I saw that Larry had mentioned the Vietnam War. . . As I said in the poem a wrote a few days back, if some attitudes about this whole situation don't get adjusted, a part of our U.S. history is going to be repeated. I can tell this by the little remarks and innuendos made by some people, who are against our country fighting for our peace and freedom. This is the exact attitude that lots of people had before, during, and after the Vietnam War. But, the war still happened. Because so many people were against it, the men and women who fought for us were treated terrible. I hope and pray that all the ones who are crying "no war" will still give our troops the support they deserve. . . I don't believe there is anyone here on this website, or anywhere in the world, for that matter, who is more peace-loving than I am....but we have got to be realistic, here. And, as was said earlier "peace at any price, is not peace at all". Love to you all from Ethel [This message has been edited by garysgirl (02-11-2003 03:27 AM).] |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
OK Everyone!!! Today over 5,300 poets were officially voiced between January 30 and today including myself, the deadline where the poems will be sent to Bush for Poetry Against The War Day!!! Let's hope we get some added relief! Love, Noah Eaton "Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..." Shakira [This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (02-12-2003 02:44 PM).] |
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Earth Angel Member Empyrean
since 2002-08-27
Posts 40215Realms of Light |
I submitted a poem--"A Poem For Peace"--- along with many other pipsters. May our voices be heard. Peace, Love, & Harmony Linda |
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poetsforpeace New Member
since 2003-03-10
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epoet Member
since 2000-05-11
Posts 291grand rapid,MI, usa |
As a fellow poet,American, and Gulf War Vet, I cannot believe the words I'm reading here. Do any of you have any idea of what those people are suffering? How many of his people does he need to kill, gas and starve to death before it offends you? You think that this administration only is pursuing this because of oil? Wake up and smell the coffe folks. I personally have seen some of the atrocities this man is capable of. I will gladly stand up and fight for this country which gives all of you the right to freedom of speech. I would gladly fight for your rights as well, but please don't be so naive as to believe that you know more than what our President and all the intelligence agencies in this country do. It's not about oil either, it's about giving humans back their basic right to live the way that they want and deserve. If you have never been in the military, please don't make assumptions about the fine men and women who are. They put their lives on the line everyday for you and everyone else in this country. They do it out of love, honor and respect for what is right: FREEDOM. For those of you who don't know me, please read my poem on the netpoets site. I personally lost friends in the Gulf War and there is nothing worse than having to be the one to tell their family that they died for this country and then seeing someone burn a flag or protest against the "administration" or military. This country was founded on the basic fact that "all men(and women in my opinion) were created equal". Let's try to unite as one and support our president and military in this trying time. P. J. Kotrch |
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Greeneyes
since 2000-09-09
Posts 9903In Your Poetic Mind |
Noah~ I hate the fact we may go to WAR, I think most people feel that way....but I also feel we can no longer ignore the "problem" and I dont think we are the "problem" its kinda like the trash, it piles up and needs to be taken out, sadly there will be many to lose in this....Heart HUGSSSs Lauren~ Here I am |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
Exactly! You just said it right there. ALL men are created EQUAL, and so does that give us the right to go there and kill thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians when many people here on these shores DON't want war! I agree that we don't know everything about what is going on behind the scenes, but I can tell you one thing. I have not heard ONE compelling argument about why we should go in there. As for giving others the right to live how they want to live, time and time again they will be tragedies, and how I wish it wasn't so, but I'm going to have to disagree with you there also. The fact is, the victims of this are going to live worse than ever. Iraqi civilians, the soldiers of America and other countries (I know plenty who never wanted to join in the first place), and the peacekeepers. I sympathize with those who have lost friends in previous wars, and unless we begin to cooperate the way we SHOULD, we're only going to lose thousands more, and again, and again, and so on, and never will we learn from our history. That ain't freedom, ain't liberty, so if you ever hope to achieve an iota of progress, NOW is the timeto make amends! So I leave you with something on free speech that I recognize with: "Without free speech no search for truth is possible.. no discovery of truth is useful.. Better thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race." Charles Bradlaugh Sincerely, Noah Eaton "Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..." |
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