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Ron
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25 posted 12-18-2001 04:36 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Providing a link to the music solves the problem. It doesn't load, nor play, until and unless someone clicks on it. That returns the choice to the readers. The new software doesn't affect existing pages, but (if I did it right) trying to embed sound with HTML now should turn it into a link for you.

And everyone should immediately stop feeling badly about it. It ain't the end of the world, it's just a little snafu. On a go-forward basis, we'll all get it resolved. Together.


Titia Geertman
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26 posted 12-18-2001 05:36 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman

Thanks Ron, I do have copies of all my poems, but sometimes I like to copy the poem from the blue pages with all the replies. No problem there then.

But I'm still a bit confused. Am I still allowed to use some pics with my poetry if they're at a size of 10 to 16kb??? Let's say if the total isn't above 30kb? Or would you rather have no pics at all anymore.

I'm just a dumm Dutchie you see, figuring out all that you've said above about the HTML's. I already figured out that Althena wasn't your lady, but your server (is she not???)LOL

Titia

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Want to use the pics on my website? Just send me a mail and I'll give you the link.

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27 posted 12-18-2001 05:41 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Thank you!
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28 posted 12-18-2001 05:45 PM       View Profile for Lady In White   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Lady In White


LOL...Ron really wasn't trying to Grinch the holidays....

it's just one of those things that some of us know, and some of us don't know...

I for one am going to be using more discretion...while art and music sway me, I'll just work that much harder to put it down so the rest of you can feel it for yourselves...
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29 posted 12-18-2001 07:47 PM       View Profile for catalinamoon   Email catalinamoon   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit catalinamoon's Home Page   View IP for catalinamoon

Hi Ron, thanks for this info. I don't use images myself, only cause I could not figure it out! I do want to say that some larger images have taken a long time for my low tech computer to show them, but I usually just whip past it and read the poem, which has already come in. And the few people that use lots of smilies, I think its ok, I have, as I said, the worlds worst computer, and they don't seem to load slowly at all.
Anyway, I love this place, with or without music, graphics, or whatever. Just keep the poems coming..
Sandra
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30 posted 12-18-2001 09:09 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Thank you, Ron~
I enjoy the poetry, the graphics and the music allowed on this site.

I've always tried to re-size the photos and upload them now to an acceptable server to be used with my poetry presentations~

If and when I've known the artist I've given proper credit (as many of us do) ... if it's just out there for the taking ... I've done that too~

I think you made it very clear that it isn't about Passions' server space used ... but about some slow loading computers and linking to slow server sites.

Personally, I have NEVER experienced a slow-loading poem with graphics and music on this site.
As you're aware I use Internet Explorer.


Poetry and pretty pictures and music just go so nicely together ... and with the lovely choices you've given us ... there is so much that can be done to enhance the words.
Personally, I like 'painting' my words ...

I think everyone understands that - like all new things - this will be worked out in time~

Again, I thank you for the options you give us~
~*Marge*~

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Kit McCallum
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31 posted 12-18-2001 10:35 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

quote:
Bump. Is there a graphic or smilie for the 'bump'???

There is if you want one Sharon, lol.    


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[This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (12-18-2001 10:39 PM).]

Ron
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32 posted 12-18-2001 11:14 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Titia, 10K to 16K is actually pretty small and should rarely be a problem. I am NOT, for even a minute, suggesting I'd rather have no pics at all. And yes, Athena is our web server. But that doesn't mean she's not also my girlfriend!

Lady, Sandra, Marge - most people are already using the graphics as intended; to enhance, not dominate. That hasn't been and isn't a problem. Keep on keeping on.

Sandra, just as a brief aside. Internet Explorer does a pretty good job of hiding the problem, allowing you to "whip past" the image and start reading the poem. Ever notice how jerky the pages seem when there are a lot of graphics? That's because IE is putting its little square "place holder" in when it finds a graphic, then when the graphic later finishes loading (and it's rarely the same size as the place holder), IE has to shift the whole page to make room for the bigger or smaller image. Jerky.

To the best of my knowledge, Internet Explorer is the ONLY browser that does that. Load the same page with Netscape, or Opera, or webTV, as some examples, and you wait at the graphic until it loads, until the browser knows the size, WITHOUT the option of reading the poem that follows. So, about 25 percent of our people notice the slowness a lot more.


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33 posted 12-18-2001 11:41 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Thank you Kit!!!


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34 posted 12-19-2001 01:09 AM       View Profile for Tracey   Email Tracey   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tracey

Like Sandra, if I'd known how to use images, I probably would have used some myself. A lot of them are really neat. But I can understand that some connections may make them slow to unload. Glad you brought the issue here Ron.

And by the way, where did you guys get the bumpy guy. That is so cool...I want to be able to do that.

If she who dies with the most toys wins, then can I have some toy boys please?

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35 posted 12-19-2001 02:20 AM       View Profile for Duncan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Duncan

Geez, Tracey...you don't know how to do the bump smilie?  Everybody knows that!
(I am going to pay for this...but it was too much fun too resist.  Can only hope she's sleepy when she sees and thinks she misread...or remembers that she owes me one.)
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36 posted 12-19-2001 08:51 AM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

Just for the record... because I don't want anyone feeling that their efforts aren't appreciated. *S* I do like the music and pictures many poets use to enhance their poetry or replies... so much that I've often made a special trip to the library just to enjoy the entire presentation. *S*

But... as someone who sneaks a peek whenever possible at work (where I'll admit I learned the hard way to keep my speaker volume on OFF *G*) but generally reads at home without the benefit of graphics or sound... I can testify that I've read some of the most awesome poetry on this site and been so greatly impressed... without benefit of music or pictures. Poets, never doubt yourselves... the additions you use may enhance your work... but your words have a beauty that touches this heart, all on their own. *S*
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37 posted 12-19-2001 05:20 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Hey, I tried it this morning...making the pictures smaller, no music and guess what?  I am still alive!
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38 posted 12-19-2001 05:37 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine


Mysteria, you crack me up!
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39 posted 12-19-2001 07:05 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Well be gentle on me, I will be going through some serious withdrawals over this adjustment yanno but then, I guess I can always hum a few bars to get my muse kick-started!

~*~ The Very Best Of The Season To You And Yours ~*~

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40 posted 12-19-2001 07:26 PM       View Profile for mirror man   Email mirror man   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for mirror man

Hello, Ron.

First, I would like to say that I didn't know sound files were causing people problems.  And further, that if I caused anyone problems by using sound files in my postings, I do sincerely apologize.  It was never intentional.  

Secondly, I would like to say that I have never used graphics in my poetry, but that I have had to wait for some graphics to display.  It may be a wait, but it's hardly a problem to me.  Also, many graphics add greatly to the quality of the poem.  

Finally, concerning sound, I find myself agreeing with Mysteria.  I think an icon for sound that gives the viewer a choice is a very good idea.  I have tried to do this myself, but it is at best a maybe.  Yamaha has a code, for instance, which does work for a sound icon, but it puts the code on display (not very poetic).  I have asked for help with this, but so far have received none.  

Perhaps the best solution would be to give the viewer a choice, with both graphics and sound.  An icon, that is, that would only load the files on request.  There will always be people who will disagree with whatever you do, and I agree with those who only want to read poetry, but at the same time disagree that it is better without multimedia.  

Thank you, Ron, and good luck to you and PiP.

[This message has been edited by mirror man (12-19-2001 07:50 PM).]

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41 posted 12-19-2001 07:30 PM       View Profile for mirror man   Email mirror man   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for mirror man

P.S., Please display the sound code we are to use now.  I have tried to use my old code, and it doesn't work, and I don't want to break any more rules.    

[This message has been edited by mirror man (12-19-2001 07:58 PM).]

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42 posted 12-19-2001 08:59 PM       View Profile for Tracey   Email Tracey   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tracey

Ah, Duncan, I see you up there. You are being very bold, for someone who said to me last night…and I quote:
“you ask how to do those bump images, I don’t want to look dumb, okay”.
Now Kit, I agreed that I would ask the question, but only because Duncan was offering a pretty tantalizing bribe. However since he’s being such a scoundrel, just e-mail the secret code to me, so I can lord it over him for a very long time!!
And Duncan, I most certainly do not recall that I owe you one….though I do seem to recall that you owe me a few!!! Lol

If she who dies with the most toys wins, then can I have some toy boys please?

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43 posted 12-19-2001 09:32 PM       View Profile for rosepetals25   Email rosepetals25   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rosepetals25

Ron,

    I don't use alot of pictures with my poems, but I am guilty of using smilies.. *chuckles* Yes.. I admit.. I'm a smilie junkie.  I will try to curb my addiction and try to ease up a little... Thank you for saying something.. I had no idea.

Tara

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Kit McCallum
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44 posted 12-19-2001 10:43 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

LOL @ Tracey.  

Actually there's no secret code. I draw the images in a graphics program first, frame by frame (a lot like the old cartoons were done), then once I'm done, I use another software program to pull together all the separate snapshots/frames to look like motion. The little bump smiley is made up of 20 separate images. I've become a little addicted to creating these things, LOL. If you really do want to know more, let me know, and I can send you some more information. They're a lot of fun to create.

[This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (12-19-2001 10:44 PM).]

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45 posted 12-21-2001 10:00 AM       View Profile for Gentle Spirit   Email Gentle Spirit   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Gentle Spirit

Ron, I just wanted to say thank you for keeping us posted on the technical side of the forums.  I think that in honesty many people didn't realize the impact the graphics had on the loading speed.  I agree with Janet, while the music is rather lovely, it also distracts from the poetry itself when reading and trying to absorb the flow and cadence.  I also agree with Doreen and thank her for bringing the issue of copywrite up to remind us all of how important that is.  
You....a GRINCH.......nah never!!  The need to educate people on this matter does not constitute turning you into a grinch.  I think rather it makes you an honorable man for educating us and asking our opinion.  When it comes down to it, I think the poetry that is presented in the forums by all of the fine poets here stand out in merit with the words alone being magnificant.  The rest is all just added dressing, which while beautiful, does not make the poetry itself better.  The poetry is an extension of the poet and is what is the most important thing in the long run.
You sir, are the master, and I for one appreciate that.  Thank you.
Donna

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[This message has been edited by Gentle Spirit (12-21-2001 10:02 AM).]

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46 posted 12-21-2001 02:58 PM       View Profile for Charisma   Email Charisma   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Charisma's Home Page   View IP for Charisma

I must confess that I love to use graphics and smilies too, and as more of the poets above I rather read poetry in silence and I always turn the sound off, so I am grateful for the clickable options. About the images I was thinking if there is a possibillity to have a special page where everyone can upload their images with a limited kb maybe? I mean this way there would be less links to other servers and other poets can use the same image too. It's just an idea that came up while reading the posts.

Thanks Ron for everything you do and for offering such a comfortable home.


*wow* I only used one single smilie *s*
see I can learn too to use less smilies *s*

Charisma

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47 posted 12-21-2001 06:30 PM       View Profile for RosePetal   Email RosePetal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RosePetal

I just recently got the hang of posting smilies. I sometimes see people who post a smilie at the end of each sentence in their post! I think 5 is a good limit, even for the most enthusiastic people!!
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I extend my apologies here....

I had no idea about the troubles I was causing.
Like Mysteria I was only trying to make a "pretty presentation".

Dear Mysteria has said much of what I would like to say, we seem to be in the same boat.

I'd try my best to stop this attachment I have with making presentations....

And I apologize again and I'm thankful for all the people who drew my attention to this.

thank you
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49 posted 12-26-2001 04:05 PM       View Profile for Fading Away   Email Fading Away   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Fading Away

Hey Ron, I just have one request:

I was posting a reply to the replies to my poem in Teen 5 a few days ago, and put too many smilies in the text.  It was a rather long reply, and took me a good 10-15 minutes before I finally pushed the "submit reply" button.  However, a message came up saying I had too many graphics, and requested that I click "Back" to edit, and resubmit my reply.  But when it took me back, everything was erased.  Everything I had previously typed was gone.  Is there any way to prevent from happening again?

Thanks!

--Marie

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