Tickler's response to an online discussion: Your take on this subject is appreciated friends...

Ticklefingers
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since 09-18-2015
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0 posted 11-21-2015 12:43 AM

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Suicide is always an option. That is, if one is intent on taking their life, they make the decision and it may not be possible to intervene.

However,'options' don't discriminate between right and wrong, they just exist and have ever since since the original 'garden party'.

While there is no foundation for my 'hypothesis', from my romantic point of view, Adam was the first 'suicide', having chosen to do so knowing Eve was soon to die for her susceptibility to temptation.

Two of my own family members chose this path for reasons of their own. The first was in 1962 and the other in 2000. I consider it a thoughtless selfish act that does not have to happen. That we who remain not only have to tough this life out ourselves, but also carry an undeserved burden of memories, regret and sometimes, even guilt.

Love is not always convincing. The word comes and goes with such ease many feel it is only said in order to obtain something or otherwise manipulate.

Real feelings don't need to be heard. When someone hugs you, what do you feel? Only if they break your ribs or your pocket watch will you hear anything. If its genuine and performed as an act of love, you know it don't you? That goes for any 'acts' however they may be performed.

These feelings make one feel wanted and appreciated. When one feels this way, they want time to never end, and that is something we all can do something about.

Thanks for reading everyone.

Danny

jjote
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since 12-25-2002
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1 posted 11-21-2015 02:39 AM

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I don't know where to read the original discussion of this topic (suicide?), but I will just take on from your thread.

First of all, you have said some sensible thoughts on the subject. I have gone through a sad similar experience with a family relative (a 13 year old actually). Sometimes when I think back to it, I wonder if there were signs that we could have seen or the immediate members could have displayed in their actions towards the person (child actually) that could have led or prevented it from happening. There must have been but we were too busy (but not really uncaring) to notice it or failed to show concern on whatever problems he was going through.

That's just my own thought - sometimes the fault could be we are too blind to see it happening to someone, when it only needs caring and empathy towards the problem of the person.

Ticklefingers
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2 posted 11-21-2015 02:52 AM

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Many thanks for your valuable and insightful reply Miss jjote.

The discussion was between a group of online acquaintances from another board and myself. I slipped my two-cents into it with mixed reviews. Primarily younger folks with much to say.

Many thanks again for reaching into your personal experiences and sharing them with me.

Lori Grosser Rhoden
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3 posted 11-21-2015 05:50 AM

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Tf,
My relationship with suicide is unique in that I work at a high school where we have about one or so a year. Often the reason is over a breakup, but there had to be more going on than that. Also having suffered with depression for decades, suicidal thoughts are nothing new to me.
Dealing with those thoughts has become almost a ritual. I have my own "thoughts" to keep me alive.
First, I cannot afford to "indulge" in those thoughts, I know from experience they are temporary even if it feels like forever.
Second, I know the pain I would leave with others would be greater and longer lasting than any pain I am feeling.
Third, I may be feeling worthless, but there are still people that depend on me just to be me.
Fourth, I'm just feeling "sick". It is the depression talking, it is not real.
In all these years I've never attempted. But I have medication and support. Not everyone is so lucky.
Ironically, I believe in a right to die with dignity. So it is okay as long as you aren't in a state of depression but terminally ill.
I guess the Right to Die people are trying to die happy where as that is not the case with suicides. ~L

JerryPat2
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4 posted 11-21-2015 08:31 AM

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I have lived with the thought of suicide for many years. I have never attempted to carry those thoughts out to fruition, and doubt I ever will. I feel my thoughts on suicide is a long-time feeling of insecurity which I have developed because of the destructive way I have lived my life . . .

~*~ When they give you ruled paper write sideways. ~*~

Paula Finn
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5 posted 11-24-2015 08:12 PM

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As a sixteen year old, I "attempted" suicide. I spent the next month in a mental hospital, learning that damn, there were people with serious problems...real problems. And I watched mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers, suffer right along with their loved one. I have to agree that suicide is a selfish act. I never once gave thought to how what I did would affect my family. As a nurse, I know that if someone is serious about taking their own life, they will at some point succeed. And contrary to what most think, there are not always warning signs. Suicide is such a touchy subject, hidden, because if someone you love kills themselves, what does that say about you? Where did you fail?

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