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0 posted 01-10-2009 06:17 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

As he cannot truly be the first "black" president (being not all black), would this be a better name for him?

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1 posted 01-10-2009 09:07 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Dunno...which side of the fence does he wish to sit?

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2 posted 01-10-2009 10:34 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

I guess some might think this funny, but I find this post very distasteful.  We are all of mixed roots, I know I sure am, just as he has his, and you yours.  I think he is going to be the first hope period you have seen in the USA in a long, long time.  
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3 posted 01-10-2009 11:42 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

I dont see color....

and what would it matter anyway?
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4 posted 01-11-2009 12:41 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I reported it as inppropriate content.

Just because it made me feel ill.

Ringo? I am sure you can defend your way out of this.

To some.

Not to me.

So yeah, I was the one who reported this as "inappropriate content."

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5 posted 01-11-2009 01:04 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I have been also trying to file an inappropriate comment regarding your picture, Ringo.

I seriously suspect, if that would have been a picture of a female of indeterminable age and maturity, IN A DOG HOUSE, with "BAD GIRL" printed over it? that picture would have denied.

I find it offensive on the grounds that some how a "bad boy" in a dog house humiliation position is acceptable without being sexual, whereas, I have known women who have had photos rejected on the grounds that they were holding soda bottles.

*shrug*

I would not have raised the second issue publically if my protest would have been acknowledged privately.

Thank you kindly.
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6 posted 01-11-2009 09:37 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I have to agree that the thread is not in great taste and, besides, rather pointless. It hasn't been removed because (1) there is no specific guideline it breaks and (2) when things like this come up, normally the responders themselves handle it with their comments, as it has been done here.

I seriously suspect, if that would have been a picture of a female of indeterminable age and maturity, IN A DOG HOUSE, with "BAD GIRL" printed over it? that picture would have denied.

Serenity gal, try not to drop any fly balls out there in left field. Being in the dog house is a very common term for men. The phrase "I'm in the dog house again" has been spoken by millions of men all over the world, who have had the misfortune of being on their mate's bad side. Bad girl normally refers to the "good girls go to Heaven; bad girls go everywhere" way of thought. In six decades I've never heard a female say "I'm in the doghouse". Be that as it may, it's not really fair to assume that a pic of a woman in a doghouse with a Bad Girl sign above here would be rejected. Photos of women with soda bottles rejected? I suppose that would depend on the location of the soda bottle

It's a shame if you really feel that the site management is so unfair and biased. I don't think we are....
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7 posted 01-11-2009 10:09 AM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

A better name would be President-elect Obama.

When you mock someone because of their racial heritage, youíre wiping your feet on the Respect and Tolerance guidelines.

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8 posted 01-11-2009 12:14 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Ringo, please. Why do find the need to perpetuate the race card?

The people of this country have elected a man of honor and integrity, intelligence, who offers most of us a ray of HOPE for a better future, and who just might be capable of moving this country beyond such demeaning labeling.

HOPE...
is colorblind, secular, and non-partisan.
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9 posted 01-11-2009 02:22 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

When moderators refuse to remove a blatant racial slur, saying it ďmightĒ be a typo, yet the ďtypoĒ is never corrected and the slur remains on this board to this day, most assuredly you can expect to see similar kinds of posts such as this one.

Clicking on inappropriate content seems to be a waste of time, especially  if itís a moderatorís post or a post by a member of what could be described as the in clique. I spent several hours one evening asking a moderator to remove his own post, one attacking me by saying I said something hateful that I never said.  I feel sure he thought it was amusing I was offended and enjoyed playing a game of power over the powerless. And, though I reported the post, I never received any explanation as to why it was allowed to remain on the board for hours.

If the point of leaving this, and the other racial slur post I referred to, is to have ďresponders themselves handle it with their commentsĒ, or  foster some sort of discussion that chastises  or enlightens the poster and others who read the thread, then why remove any offensive post?  And why bother having moderators weigh in on the appropriateness? Several senior members and moderators have referred to the post as being inappropriate, very distasteful, etc., yet the post is still up and the poster himself seems unwilling to respond and instead hides behind the decision of the mods who gave this post a pass. To put it more clearly, yes, I believe, to a degree, there is unfairness and bias, and I also think itís time to give some mods their redundancy notices.

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10 posted 01-11-2009 02:28 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

I also think itís time to give some mods their redundancy notices""

HI...we dont just JUMP to a conclusion, its a thought out process; we never just pull a poem or post -- we talk about it first....we do live a life as well....be patient, and I am sure the right decision will be made....

personally I think this post (yours) falls under no respect or tolerance for moderators....JMHO

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I define myself by all moments and how they teach and touch me......02  

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11 posted 01-11-2009 02:31 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

quote Midnitesun:
HOPE...
is colorblind, secular, and non-partisan

Hope is badly needed not only in the States, but everywhere right now.  To those not from the USA, posts like these send out a very tainted stigma with them to others outside the USA.  I think we have to let this one go, learn from it, move on, and rise above it.

I believe in hope, and I also believe in your next President.  I sure wouldn't want his job, would you?

Jennifer, I would sincerely like to suggest you sign up for moderator duty, and see what exactly it involves, and also curtails.  We all have lives beyond these pages, and take what we do very seriously, as we are required to follow the protocol of this site set out by Ron.  Here you go, there is more to it than you think. Moderator Applicaton
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12 posted 01-11-2009 02:39 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Is it just moderators who are covered by the Respect and Tolerance rule? Not those hurt or offended by racial slurs?

Truly, I don't have very much respect for a moderator who misquotes me and states I said something hateful when I didn't and then plays words games when you respectfully ask that moderator to delete their post.

If you think my post violates the rules, by all means click the inappropriate content button.
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13 posted 01-11-2009 02:45 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

oh yes by all means we are the only ones that fall under that guideline... ...please if you really believe that then you dont know this site, or any one on it very well...

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I define myself by all moments and how they teach and touch me......02  

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14 posted 01-11-2009 03:03 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Decisions are not made on the "fly" in here, and it takes time for enough moderators to drop in to the "Deputy Moderator Forum," and form a consensus needed to make a change.  To those sitting at a desk waiting for a decision of change, it will always take longer than it seems.  

Jennifer, you said,
quote:
" To put it more clearly, yes, I believe, to a degree, there is unfairness and bias, and I also think itís time to give some mods their redundancy notices

I am sure quite a few mods would gladly take you up on that offer as moderating is "time" spent away from our own requirements in life.  If some of the people that complain the most would sign up and take a turn, then that would bring new blood into the mainstream of the forums being moderated.  That would however, require being part of the solution, and not the problems in here though.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I for one stay at this because of the integrity of this site, and Ron.  For those that don't appreciate how this site is run, there is always a way around that, and it is to simply leave.  Many have, but they mostly all return, because of the way this site is moderated and run.  
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15 posted 01-11-2009 03:28 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

You'll be glad to know I just submitted my my Deputy Moderator application. For those following this discussion, I'll be sure to let you know whether or not it's accepted.
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16 posted 01-11-2009 03:34 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


Thereís probably a very good reason but:

Why donít you just move the thread to the Mod forum - chew the cud for as long as it takes - then let the person who complained and the original poster know why you are, or arenít, letting the post stay.

You donít have to do it on every post thatís reported, just on posts that get more than one complaint. That way you avoid the risk of material that might be offensive to some members cluttering up the place until you make your collective minds up and you avoid friction between members who end up arguing the toss until you make a decision.

Just a thought.

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17 posted 01-11-2009 03:36 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

thats a great idea Grinch, but only Ron can move this post... it's his area...

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18 posted 01-11-2009 03:36 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

With brilliant ideas like that, Grinch, you're next in line to be volunteered for the mod squad.
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quote:
thats a great idea Grinch, but only Ron can move this post... it's his areaÖ


That should take about three minutes to change - even if it wasnít an inbuilt function of the software.

quote:
you're next in line to be volunteered for the mod squad.


I take it you werenít a member when I was a Mod here Jen - I can show you the scars if you like.

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20 posted 01-11-2009 03:48 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

That should take about three minutes to change """"


Talk to ron ...

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21 posted 01-11-2009 03:49 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Is that what happened, Grinch, being a Mod turned a nice guy like you into a Grinch?
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22 posted 01-11-2009 03:56 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

It is not so harsh that it needs to be removed.  I think we (including Ringo) will learn from and deal with it much better though mature discussion, rather than jumping to the delete button.

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23 posted 01-11-2009 04:13 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


No Jen, being a Grinch made me a bad Mod.

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24 posted 01-11-2009 04:23 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I'm back.

And Jenn? I'm glad to hear that you did apply as a DM.

I was one once, and I discovered it was hard. So I'm a bit annoyed at the implication that I disrespect the moderating team.

I know most of ya'll are pretty careful readers, so you all know which words I typed and which ones were insinuated that I typed.

Leaving this post, here, as is, is akin to allowing offensive graffitti to stand, just "hoping" someone else will come along and write more clever slogans that will correct the situation.

As for my protestation of the pic? In any other thread I would find it only vaguely annoying, but on this one, it is like a snarky "NEENER NEENER NEENER" from the originating poster. (That's you Ringo-dude.)

As for an ideal situation?

In my own idealistic little world, Ringo himself would step in, be the gentleman that I became friends with, and seeing the error of his ways, he would ask that it be deleted. Because no, Ringo, you should not take this personally from me, you and I just happen to part ways on taste levels on this one. (That should frighten you very much.)

As for even handed-fairness of moderators at Pip? *smile*

You show me the parents of a very large family who boast that "we treated 'em all the same" and I'll show you an exceptionally entertaining episode of Dr. Phil, since that would result in some serious dysfunction.

The post, I still believe, ought to be removed.

The picture? Well, things used to run smoother when the place was smaller, and I concede that it must be a difficult prospect to ascertain the integrity of each photo. But I know a certain lady who did an exceptional job of that. And I hope my last sentence doesn't cancel out the heart of what I said initially in this:

THAT photo on this post shoots a metaphorical finger at the rules and tenets of Pip as I know it.

And like the others, while I'm gratified to be able to have a say in moderating duties once again (for a time) I don't understand why this one was made an exception.

And good luck Jenn. Deputy Moderating actually is a very difficult job. And the folks here generally do an excellent job.

I can count on one hand the amount of times I hit that inappropriate content button, and I believe three times was for my own post.

 
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