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I think this should be moved to a duscussion forum.. continuez s'il vous plait..

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For years, I've been telling both of my kids "it's okay if yer gay".

Finally, they both sat me down, stating they both had a confession to make.

They proceeded to gently break the news to me that they were both heterosexual, and refused to pretend that they weren't just to be "trendy".

My son said he hoped I wasn't horribly disappointed in him. He just couldn't pretend to be something he was not.

*chuckling*

God didn't enter the conversation.

I'm Wiccan. (Correction: I am Wiccan-based, technically a solitary eclectic, with some Eastern religon and nod, even Christianity, tossed in.) My husband is Catholic. My son is an atheist and my daughter is agnostic.

I'm still a little concerned about my son though. He just turned 18 and is considering registering to vote as a Republican.

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I recall at a family reunion when my cousin finally "came out"...    and we all said... "duh"
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well my friend finally came out and told us what we already knew
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im glad someone decided to move this to a discussion board , i seriously wanna know peoples oppinions about this whole gays and god issue , im gay and when i bring it up to my friends or family they either tell me there is no god or that god loves everyone , but i think maybe they are just telling me that cause they love me , i wanna know what other people think , personally i think that god excepts gay people because if he/she didnt then why would he/she have made us this way ? why would we be put on this earth with the need and want  to be with someone of the same sex if it wasnt right , why would we be put here to be unhappy ? All i know is that i cant be attracted to guys and i love my girlfreind more then anything in this world . And if what im doing is a sin then i will gladly go to hell because i know in my heart im a good person and im just doing what makes me happy . Sorry for blabbing on , but this has been on my mind alot lalty
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Hi Bloodfairy:  One quick suggestion is that other people's opinions aqbout gays and god are irrelevant right up to the point where the god business is used to justify harassment, persecution, exclusion, expulsion, and, disgustingly true, beatings and murder of gay, bisexual, transexual, and transgendered individuals.  Then, opinions and god stuff get personal and relevant in a REALLY big way.

A way to think about it:  If god exists (and I'm following your lower case reference) it's quite possible that god is not particularly concerned about our individual circumstances.  If god does not exist, god is not particularly concerned about indivdual circumstances either.

Consider that if the he/she god business might at least be open to debate, he/she may not have made you in any particular way.   With the god/sin/hell business set aside, particularly the sin/hell part, you can look at the notion that biology has a lot more to do with things sexual/intellectual/height/color of eyes/fitness for sport/ ad infinitum.

Consider that Biblical condemnation of homosexuality in a line or two represents thinking that could be 3,000 years old.  Consider that current condemnation of homosexuality by various religious sects is not much more than a continuation of age old ignorance.

Two more thoughts: 1. If you want religion in your life, check out the closest Universalist/Unitarian congregation.  There, you get to be gay, cherished by people for who you are, and god isn't presented as being judgemental.

2.  Check to see is there is a G/B/T/T support group in your vicinity, or check out Ann Yellott in Tucson on the web.  She's a darned smart (gay) lady with a PhD in psychology abd an advocate for acceptance of everyone as they are.

Best, Jim Aitken


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well thank you very much for replying , i dont know exacly what im looking for , i dont know if its religon or answers to where im going after i die ( thats if we go anywhere) . Just latley iv been thinking alot about it , i just turned 16 and iv only been open about my sexuality for the past 9 months , i know that peoples opinions can be really harsh when it comes to the gay community , its possible that i just want to hear what people think and then from there belifs come up with one that makes most sense to me . Personally i think that reincarnation makes the most sense to me but i just wanted to know exacly what the bible says about gays and whats suppose to happen to us after we die , most of the religous people iv talked to said im going to hell lol , so i guess i kinda got my answer , my very limited belife in god is that he/she excepts gays and i always grew up to belife that god makes us the people we are ,and so i always thought that gays hadnt done anything wrong and that god made us this way . As i grew up i kinda started thinking that god probebly has nothing to do with the people we are . I know what im saying is all over the place but i am just trying to get everything out lol . Its a pretty debatable topic to talk about , considering no one can ever know for sure what happens or if there is a god untill they die . And once that happens well you cant really tell anyone about it now can you . I guess you just have to have faith in what you belive in . And maybe im just trying to find something to belive in .
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Well hunn.. I agree people are really harsh on what they say. Many people say oh I am not against gay people but when they are alone they make rude comments behind their backs. I think being homophobic is down llow with being rasist. both hurtful and really petty and stupid really. you just gotta live your life for who you want to be and not worry bout what other people think if you can learn to love yourself for who you are others will too. and you dont need anyting to fall back on like a religion to belive in as long as you belive in yourself and believe you can live life the way you think it should be lived.. live for the minute. it doesnt matter what happens after you die cos at least you can say that you lived this life with everything you have.

As for Jim's reply i think he is a great guy and great reply good to see you around somewhere I am posting on too hehe.
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thanks Krysti , i know what you mean about the people who say they accept gays and then go and talk crap behind thier backs ,your right , i shouldnt worry so much about whats gonna happen after i die , just try and enjoy life as much as possible while im still here and try not to listen to peoples negative comments about where im going after i die because of this sin iv commeted lol . Its actually kinda funny , last week at school a kid called me a demon and said that the devil is the one who created gay people . I just laughed and so did most of the class . I thought it was so outragous someone would actually say that . I personally think this kid is in denil about being gay , hes always wresteling with guys  , its like his excuse to touch them lol . But ya i thought it was a bit funny he said that to me . It feels like the last two weeks this topic of god and religion has been a pretty big one in my life . All these events keep happening that make me think about it alot .
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maybe he is. but his family is really religious so he doesnt want to feel that way. There are mant options, or maybe he is religious to and just wants to find ways to hurt people. Even so, he had no right to say that. Comments like that should be put away in the back of your mind. Pay no attention to them, just on how you feel and how you think you want to live. the way people think you shold or the way that makes you most happy hope things work out for you
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ya i usually dont let what people say to me bother me that  much , iv actually gotten pretty lucky, everyone at school pretty much knows im gay now and everyone is really cool with it , i have probebly only gotten like 3 people say anything rude to me , i think its alot easier for people to accept me because i dont have that "gay" look , when people find out they are like oh i would have never guessed , im like why because i dont dress like a guy lol , and then they go on to say im a hot lesbien lol which i just laugh at , but there are other gay kids at school that have gotten it way worse then me . I feel really bad sometimes because i dont go through what they go through , kids can be really cruel , and they usually always have to bring god into the conversation and say how its wrong and that were going to hell . I can usually just blow it off but i find myself getting into debates with people about there opinions , i never get upset if someone dosnt agree with the whole gay thing , i usually try and find out why they have a problem with it and then just talk to them about it but i never freek out , everyone has thier belifes and there right to not agree with peoples life choices .I dont think they need to accept us but i do belive they should respect us just like everyone else
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11 posted 03-24-2008 02:42 AM       View Profile for hunnie_girl   Email hunnie_girl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hunnie_girl

thats a good attitude . Kids are mean. I dont see why they bring God into the convo. I think thats why i dont really follow the whole God thing. people made it so.. unattractive so many rules and disbilieves and so many different kinds.. it's too much to handle I do admit though a long time ago when things were rough i was a big prayer and it got me through.. so I guesss its all on preference.. and they say holidays are too commercialized. Well religion soo out beats it! hah
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