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Drauntz
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0 posted 06-06-2007 12:25 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz


Essorant
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1 posted 06-06-2007 12:44 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

I really find it annoying when a deletion is made without any notification, explanation, or possible room to discuss the matter either here or in e-mail regarding why such a deletion was done.  I think that is unbecoming behaviour on the administrator's/ moderators' part.


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2 posted 06-06-2007 01:10 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I know what you mean, Essorant. I find it equally annoying when someone breaks our guidelines without notifying me. It would sure save me a lot of time every day if they would have the courtesy to ask first. Then, instead of having to read every thread that doesn't interest me, I might have more time to participate in the ones that do.

As for discussion, we're always happy to talk about our Guidelines. If you don't understand any part of them, please feel free to ask questions.

Arguing about them after you've broken one, however, is a bit like trying to tell the traffic cop the speed limit really should be higher. I doubt he'll be very receptive. Our Guidelines -- like the speed limit -- are there for everyone to read any time they want. For most people, that's all the warning, notification, or explanation they should ever need. In blatant cases, it's likely the only one they'll get.
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3 posted 06-06-2007 01:21 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

"Then, instead of having to read every thread that doesn't interest me, I might have more time to participate in the ones that do."

Ron,
I thought that I come here to enjoyed the beauties in the Garden. I did not know that I came here to serve you. Sorry can't feed your self interest.

wish you well and thank you for the piptalk.
A very good place, indeed and I meet some great poets here.
I said that every one has a dictator in heart. thank you again.
Essorant
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4 posted 06-06-2007 01:41 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Obviously a post/part of a post is considered wrong or against the Guidelines if it is deleted, but equally obviously it seems is that the member most likely didn't know and still may not know why or how it falls into the "wrong".  That's why a notification, explanation, or discussion I believe would be far greater than your "delete and run" approach.

Sometimes a wrong is obvious if it is a direct attack on someone, and sometimes it may be or seem obvious to you Ron, but I think most of the time it is not at all obvious to the poster.

Not A Poet
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5 posted 06-06-2007 01:56 PM       View Profile for Not A Poet   Email Not A Poet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Not A Poet's Home Page   View IP for Not A Poet

Drauntz, you're not here to serve anyone or feed anyone's anything other than yourself and your own. This, of cource, still does not give you the right to set or break the rules, whatever they may be. Every civilized society has rules that typically restrain the behavior of its citizens. PIP is no different. Those willing to behave within those rules, called guidelines at PIP, usually find it to provide an enjoyable experience. Those who cannot accept such restraint are usually better of finding some other society with a different set of rules.

The question of whether there is or should be some public or private discussion is an entirely separate matter. I think Ron has adequately explained why this sometimes is not done. Sometimes it just requires more time than it deserves.

Drauntz
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6 posted 06-06-2007 02:07 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

nobody told me what rule i broke. If because I used the word "stupid" I can just delete it.
If it is because the topic, I can not help that it is not Ron's interest.

Ron is the owner
the king of the PIPtalk empire
If he blocks me,
I have to go before I made my voice clear.
but I need to keep my head on my shoulder
because it has many uses besides writing poem
democracy, democracy,democracy!
cheers!!! love you all!  



serenity blaze
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7 posted 06-06-2007 02:22 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Oh man.

I went to sleep when I actually said I was gonna go to sleep...

Now I am like "Margine" from Big Love, running behind everyone else, asking "what happened?"

"Nobody tells me anything." *pout*
Drauntz
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8 posted 06-06-2007 02:33 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

My dear SB, it is all because of you. You brought up the topic which trapped me.

I wish you had a very good sleep last night. dear lady!!!

many hugs and kisses

I will not post my silly poems. but I will continue to read yours. They are beautiful. And there are many beautiful poems here. Mine is nothing. so, no need to post anyway.

***I was exiled by King Ron.
Ron
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9 posted 06-06-2007 02:43 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
wow, somebody learned that freedom of speech is very hard, indeed if the listener does not like my words.

bye to all my great poets. I am blocked.

I deleted your off-topic post in the other thread, Drauntz, so as not to ruin a perfectly good conversation. I will, however, attempt to answer it here.

First, you need to learn what freedom of speech is before you try to claim it. Neither your girlfriend, your boss at work, nor these forums are part of the government. Tell your boss to shove it and there will likely be repercussions. Ignore our rules and, again, there will be repercussions. Your First Amendment protections don't extend into civilian life.

Second, you need to learn what blocked is before you attempt to claim it. If you were blocked, you couldn't post about it. Frankly, it sounds to me like you think you've been acting poorly and are being plagued by a guilty conscience?


serenity blaze
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10 posted 06-06-2007 02:50 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Well, sweetie--there's the rub, now.

I don't know you well enough to know if you are kidding or not, 'cause um, I don't know you, or the subject well enough to set such a manipulative trap, so I hope you are kidding.

I didn't take any of it personally, m'self. In fact, your responses make the book all the more intriguing to me as I had to wonder what in the printed word could summon such passion.

I see you are still posting though--so I hope you aren't actually "exilted."

If you are not, just keep yer head down and keep posting the poetry. *shrug*

That's my priority here anyway. The discussion is fun, but not the reason why I joined Pip.

Hugs back atcha, and hugs to Ron, and wow.

*smile*

I promise you, I am not oblivious as a ruse. I really am slow yanno.

Sheesh!
serenity blaze
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11 posted 06-06-2007 02:51 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

oooops...sorry Ron.

Shoulda known you'd beat me there.

SLOW, yanno!
Drauntz
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12 posted 06-06-2007 02:53 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

King Ron, Your Honor,

Define "freedom of speech" ? whom I hurt with my words? I do not put my self interest first. I mainly want to give out more information about Ryn Rand and my own opinions. If this is not allowed.  fine with me.  I love many poets here dearly..I do not have to make myself love the owner..I thank you. that is all. think no that I have no knowledge of computer and internet.

And I am a woman.  

Edward Grim
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13 posted 06-06-2007 03:25 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

I've had some of my comments deleted before, most of them deserved to be nixed and others not so much. I really don't see the big deal in a mod deleting a post. And it's not really about freedom of speech. Because you are allowed to say whatever you want on here; you're just not allowed to have it up very long. hahaha



quote:
I deleted your off-topic post in the other thread, Drauntz, so as not to ruin a perfectly good conversation.


I don't really see how going off-topic is grounds for deletion though. People got off topic in my old threads a lot and there weren't any deletions. Curious...

I admit that I'm not totally sure what's going on in this thread, I'm just throwing my four cents in.


“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”
Christopher
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14 posted 06-06-2007 04:26 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

quote:
Obviously a post/part of a post is considered wrong or against the Guidelines if it is deleted, but equally obviously it seems is that the member most likely didn't know and still may not know why or how it falls into the "wrong".  That's why a notification, explanation, or discussion I believe would be far greater than your "delete and run" approach.

Sometimes a wrong is obvious if it is a direct attack on someone, and sometimes it may be or seem obvious to you Ron, but I think most of the time it is not at all obvious to the poster.
I disagree, Ess - I think it's usually obvious to the poster. Most people know what they've done and seem to think that either a) they should get special treatment, or b) the rules just aren't important enough to pay attention to. I admit that there are cases where it's not wholly obvious... and those are the ones where we usually spend the most time discussing.

As for notifying an offender - we almost without exception notify a person when we remove a post. The only exceptions that come to mind are the repeat offenders who obviously have no interest in heeding the rules. Other than those, however, an email is always sent out when a post is moved or deleted.
Drauntz
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15 posted 06-06-2007 05:25 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Dear SB, thank you for the post, Otherwise I have no idea who Ryn Rand was.

SB, I come here for poems and all other interesting topics. I am not easily offended because I listen what other is trying to say and I try to understand it. But to offended other without knowing? not the 20th time, my dear lady.

I was kidding on my "trapped". I never want to hurt you, a such kind lady.

I am confused. The good thing is everyone else  got entertained  and pleased by torture a innocent soul....of me.

love ya.
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16 posted 06-06-2007 08:48 PM       View Profile for SEA   Email SEA   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SEA

what's funny is that even as a moderator, I've had comments pulled. Not too many, cause I try not to repeat mistakes but I'm human and sometimes type things I shouldn't.

And what Chris said about letting people know why we pulled something is dead on. We send a private email. It does not need to be discussed in the thread or an explanation given to all the other members.

For the ones I've had removed, I had a pretty good idea it would be gone, but thought I'd say it anyway, because it was how I felt and I meant it. That doesn't make it ok.

There are many different forums here and usually you can find one that will let you express yourself exactly as you wish. If not, then I'm guessing this isn't the place for you.

Ron is more than fair, much more so than I would be a lot of the time. I'm glad to be here, and glad to tell my brother that his 9 year old daughter would have a great time in here. BECAUSE of the rules Ron has in place.



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17 posted 06-06-2007 09:17 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Probably anybody who's been around for any length of time has had posts moderated - that's why there are moderators after all.  

Many of my postings have been deleted -- some with, some without notice -- and I don't think notice is really the issue.  Notice isn't 'owed' to anyone. The guidelines are the issue -- and how the moderators and administrators choose to interpret those guidelines.

If I ever decided to get my hands dirty and pull a duty shift as a deputy mod I might have a right to complain.

Some people have chosen to forego PIP because of the rules and post elswhere -- others post elswhere and here.

But anyway -- I chose my five minutes of net tolerance today to suggest to you Drautnz that there is no reason to feel you have to sever your PIP relationship.  
Essorant
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18 posted 06-06-2007 09:41 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Christopher,

I won't argue.  But I think every "case" deserves to be dealt with individually and communicatively instead of by a "delete, run, and silent treatment" approach.  

Personally, as long as it is not an outright insult or attack on a person, I think expostulation and amendment thro communication on the spot is the best way to deal with a bad manner, not deleting.  I think Not A Poet is a good example of a Moderator that usually leads that kind of approach, instead of putting his finger to the "delete" so quickly.  

Drauntz
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19 posted 06-06-2007 09:47 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

2 hours after my post this morning  I had problem to open the PIP page and each time I have to clean my cookie. My two computer worked the same way. SO I have to pick Ron. So I post this question and Ron quickly respond and in one of his reply he mentioned that I had been acting poorly. So I caught him. It was him who touched something. When i try to send an email to him it says that I have to log in while  I am at the status of IN.

I still do not know the problem.

Edward Grim
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20 posted 06-06-2007 10:27 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Drauntz, I've had this problem for a few months now. I was suspicious of the same thing you are. I got into a few heated arguments with the top brass and all of the sudden got this "problem." I had to learn patience really quick. Pips is the only website that takes three to four minutes to load, I have DSL. Another person on the site was having this same problem.

Honestly, I don't think Ron or any mod had anything to do with it. I can't explain why this page is the only one on the vast net that does it. All I know is that the page loads quickly when I'm not logged in but when I sign in, slow again. And I've tried it on several computers. Who knows? I don't really care though. But if someone is responsible for this "problem" I'd appreciate if it was corrected, I'm a good boy now. HAHAHA

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

Drauntz
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21 posted 06-06-2007 10:36 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Edward Grim,

are you sure? something is wrong if it is not Ron. But he took the chance to accuse me.

you are a smart guy. wish you write something good for the screen

you have to keep clean your cookies to make the speed and to able to post. and it seems no memory for my Icon.

strange.

Thank you.
Essorant
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22 posted 06-06-2007 10:56 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Did the moderators slow down your computers to slow you down from making trouble?  

No, I don't believe so.  I bet Ron may be able to give you some advice about how to solve the problem.

Edward Grim
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23 posted 06-06-2007 10:58 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Yeah, but when I delete cookies, it signs me out. And obviously, I have to sign in to post anything so... I don't know. I've learned to deal with it anyways.

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

Edward Grim
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24 posted 06-06-2007 11:05 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

quote:
Did the moderators slow down your computers to slow you down from making trouble?


Lol, yeah Ess. It's The Man tryin' to bring us down! haha. I say we throw a coup d'état! That means phone calls at three a.m. and an endless barrage of emails about our rights as pipsters. HAHAHA

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

 
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