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Obama or Clinton (Very curious what you think either one's chance might be at becoming President?)

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Bob K
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Mike,
     You know I'm not trying to turn you into a Democrat by now.  I know that's not you.  There's something here about the nature of this particular situation that really requires everybody to understand it.  I actually think the country is at a constitutional crisis, no matter who wins the election, and we need to do some basic thinking about what the nature of the country is and what we want it to be for the next hundred years.  We can be partisan all we want, but that skips over the basic needs that I think our country has for all of us right now.

     Who do our Grandchildren need us to be?  (not that I have any)  What do our Grandparents require of us?  What do we owe our ambitions?  What do we owe the least among us?

     What are the other questions we actually need to ask?

     We can beat on each others' heads all day, but I think in the end, we need to be asking ourselves some of these questions, and soon.

Yours, Bob K
    

[This message has been edited by Bob K (07-27-2008 02:10 AM).]

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... youíre saying I could quote from a copyrighted source like an AP article or recently published book?

Yes.

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And approximately what portion/percentage of that copyrighted article or book could I quote on this site?

There aren't any hard and fast rules, Jennifer, not even in our court system. Two lines from a book is almost certainly fine. Two lines from an article is probably good, too. Two lines from a haiku, on the other hand, would be a bit iffy. The longer your source the more you can quote while still being "fair" (as in, Fair Use Doctrine).

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What I think is based in part on what Iíve read. Iíd much prefer to use quotes rather than links ...

When quoting a source, you should also link to it whenever possible. That gives people here a choice, but just as importantly, it gives your source the possibility of more exposure in return for using them. Again, it's just the most fair thing to do.


Hey, Guys? This thread is crossing a line and is dangerously close to being closed and locked. I should probably just edit or delete the last few posts right now and see if we can get back on topic? I don't know. I do know, however, that we're here to talk TO each other, not about each other. If you don't like someone's response, your choices are to counter the points being made or to move on to another thread. Discussion of why the points were made (motivation) or how skillfully the points were made is best left to other venues.


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102 posted 07-26-2008 10:08 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Understood, Ron...
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Thanks again, Ron, you spelled what I needed to know and your point about giving a source more exposure is well taken. Definitely a V-8 moment for me!

One of the sources I read quite often is Common Dreams. Was just skimming a few articles and noticed sort of a trend regarding Obamaís stance on Afghanistan/Pakistan. Iíll need more time to check out a few things before I sort out whether or not I agree, but perhaps we could move along to that topic? Just a thought.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/26/10622/
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/25/10594/
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/23/10558/

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Dear Ron, et al.,

          I amended my post in favor of extra congeniality.  For anything I said that might be taken as mean spirited or false, I am, of course, sorry.  I intended to be neither.  As I said in my posting, I like Balladeer and think well of him.  I have been clear about that and about exactly where I believe we disagree.  I still believe him a great and sincere patriot.  I have always seen him as unflinching in that regard.

     I appreciated Jennifer Maxwell's three references.  It's not often enough that we see references to Progressive publications here, and I found these were very informative.  So, thinking of her:

     I recently ran across a more primary source sort of blog on the subject of Afghanistan by Special forces and diplomatic types that's pretty interesting.  You have to look between the lines a bit to follow the unfolding story about the jostling back and forth of the diplomats and the Afghanistani officials, and how the the US army is getting played between them, but if you've got your decoder ring, it turns out to be pretty interesting.  You have the sense that the stories these folks are telling are going to be news or news backgrounds over the next few months.
http://abumuqawama.blogspot.com/

     Let me know, Ron, Jennifer, whoever seems interested in following up, if anybody, what you think of this stuff.

     It not at the point where it's political yet; the politics, I think, depends on what use you want to make of it.  But the raw story of it's fascinating, and that you can read between the lions.

Sincerely, BobK.
    
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Interesting site, Bob, thanks for the link. I'm out all day today, and running really late, but just wanted to say I'm up for discussing anything.

Another interesting site: http://factcheck.org/
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Back on topic it is ... I have since hearing Obama was voted in as a Senator thought, one day that remarkable young man will lead America.  When he announced his acceptance to run for the Democrats and his nomination I figured he was a "shoe-in" to win.  After watching his delivery tonight, I would even go so far now as to make Balladeer a bet on it.                 He is more than just talk, showed a lot more of himself tonight, and gave a lot of specific information.  I liked his "fighting back" spirit tonight too.  I believe in him so strongly up here, but I am still wondering if Americans are ready for such a big change?  I don't live there but have never been this interested in any election since John Kennedy.

I am wondering what you all thought of the television coverage tonight, and now what do you think?  Whomever found those "middle class Americans" tonight to speak sure needs a medal.           Obama's one sentence summed it up for me when he said something like "This whole election process has never been about me - it is about you!"  Are Americans ready for this?  That is the question still stuck in my mind.  Let me know what you thought?    
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Well I am sitting on pins and needles up here waiting for the results.  My little Obama bobble-head doll is shaking his wee head affirmatively, but I won't be going to bed until I am sure that all the results are in, and all are on the up-and-up.  This election is nerve-wrecking I tell you!       Whomever wins, I hope they are treated with the utmost respect as they sure deserve it.  I wouldn't want this job right now for any amount of money, or fame.

I seem to be talking to myself in this thread but oh well, it keeps my sanity. I have believed in this young man since I first starting researching his past on the internet, and watching A&E about his life, and his choices along his career path.

I have had no t.v. hooked up, and just got in, but got a phone call that Obama is President Elect!  Whooo Hoooo!
 
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