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Obama or Clinton (Very curious what you think either one's chance might be at becoming President?)

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50 posted 06-04-2008 07:44 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

So you are open to a wager then, Mysteria?
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oh this is like a book that is gettin' sooooooo good...



*lick my finger to turn the page*

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Awe Michael I couldn't take your money.  I think it would be priceless though to see the look on your face if what I think is going to happen happens though.  This story is about to get really interesting me thinks.  I don't think we've seen the last of ole Hillary either.  I felt simply terrible taking my son's $50 and couldn't ever bring myself to take a cent from you
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I would think obama. but that wouldnt matter to me anyways now because Clinton is going into an open slot for vice prez.

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In my very own opinion...I think Obama should win. I\m not even American but Canadian Politics are boring, so I just follow the US. So, ya GO OBAMA!!!
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I agree...Obama, GO!
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58 posted 07-22-2008 08:15 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Another one trying to sell his book...so what's new? This quote came out well over a year ago and, obviously didn't cause much of a stir then..why now, Sharon?
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Thanks for posting, Mysteria, itís a fascinating excerpt that really lays it all out, no holds barred. Now that youíve brought it to my attention, will put it on my reading list. Maybe it didnít cause much of a stir because some people just arenít willing to listen or think? Anyway, I for one hope the book does well since a portion of the proceeds go to the Iacoccoa Foundation for diabetes research.
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Exactly, Jennifer.   The Diabetic Association has really benefited from this book.

Michael, I got the book and read it, and now this excerpt is circulating in emails a year after it was first exposed. So a good question to ponder - why now?  

I think it is good to have all the feedback you can get to make a good decision when voting for the United States President this coming election.  Economically, everyone agrees a change is needed, but then you have 1/2 the population under age 50 voting for Obama, and the other 1/2 over 50 for McCain, so it will be very interesting to see the results.  In any event, getting out of that war is not as easy as everyone thinks and 16 months as Obama has stated is sure pushing it, but what do I know?  

By the way, I do think Bush did the right thing in the beginning by reacting, but something sure has gone seriously wrong, and what concerns me as a Canadian is that are going to be left with some serious clean up duty.

However, I do enjoy the shopping benefits of our dollar now because of all this  and am supporting the USA in that area probably just a bit too much.  

The one thing about living in this wonderful free country is having a right to verbalize your opinion, and thank you for letting me exercise mine.

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I am even going to answer the 50th post by Balladeer sadly, but truthfully this way:
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So you are open to a wager then, Mysteria?


No wager from me.  I actually do think that McCain will win Michael, as unfortunately it is better to deal with the devil you know than the one you don't, but I sure hope I am wrong.
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If I were American I'd be voting for Obama.

I think America needs a President that the World respects and I believe he fits the bill.


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quote:
If I were American I'd be voting for Obama.
I think America needs a President that the World respects and I believe he fits the bill.


Grinch, thank you for your opinion.

May I ask, why do you believe Obama fits the bill?

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Sharon, it is always a pleasure to have you voice your opinions because I know they are sincere and unbiased.

Grinch, I have to echo Sunshine. How do you know the world respects him? He's a one-term senator running for president. Two years ago the world didn't even know he existed...and now, based on nothing but a call for change, the world respects him? On what do you base that?
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quote:
May I ask, why do you believe Obama fits the bill?


Partly, but not solely, for the reason Michael thinks he doesnít.

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based on nothing but a call for change


When you donít like what you see and are faced with a choice between someone offering more of same and someone offering change the choice isnít that difficult.

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How do you know the world respects him


I donít Michael, I can only speak for myself, which is why I said ďI think he fits the billĒ.

The only evidence of what the ďWorldĒ thinks that I can offer would be the opinions of people Iíve spoken to in the UK, where I live, and in France and Spain which Iíve visited recently. In all three Iíve yet to meet one person who believes Obama doesnít deserve respect and almost all believe he projects the persona of someone you can trust. McCain doesnít generate the same responses, people Iíve discussed this with see him as a Bush clone, and people over here trust and respect Bush about as far as they could throw him.

I know that persona could all be a sham Michael, a thin faÁade that covers the truth but weíre back to a similar situation to our earlier choice. Faced with a man you think you can trust and one you know you donít the choice is obvious.

With regard to respect I sometimes wonder if the people of America are actually aware of how far the image of America has fallen outside the US in just a handful of years, largely due to the actions of its government and leader.

Which is why I think America needs a leader that the world can respect if itís ever going to regain the position it once held.


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Mike? Why do you think McCain would be the better choice? It seems to me no one thought he was qualified before.

So, why him now?
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Grinch and Serenity, I don't know that McCain would make a great president. You haven't heard me singing his praises in my posts.

Obama, on the other hand, is someone I just can't seem to trust. As has been said, he's just a man who can say nothing more eloquently than anyone else. When caught without a prompter in fron of him or someone whispering in his ear what to say, he stumbles over his words like a first-grader...please ask me for examples.

Anyone can call for change. That tactic has been used in more than one presidential campaign. Change can go both ways, for better or for worse. Obama hits all of the right generic buttons people want to hear, not unlike the "chicken in every pot" promise from over half a century ago. He, however, stays away from giving his solutions for these changes he calls for or how he would plan to make them.

Who would be better? Who knows. All I can go by is I see a man on one side with less than one term as a junior senator, no military experience, no foreign affairs experience on one side and a time-tested senator, a respected war hero and a man who comes off as decent on the other. Who do I want in this day and age with the world in the state it's in....I'll take the experienced man.

Every day Obama is apologizing for a misspoken comment or a misunderstood communication which got him into hot water with someone. Without someone to tell him what to say, he comes off as just a small fish trying to be a whale....I wouldn't buy a used car from him, either
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Change can go both ways, for better or for worse.


At least change gives you a shot at better Mike, maintaining the status quo offers you only more of the same at best. In that respect who you vote for is a simple reflection of your aspirations and your expectations. If you believe that what you have now is as good as it gets as far as America goes then vote for McCain. If you think it needs to change vote for Obama.

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All I can go by is I see a man on one side with less than one term as a junior senator, no military experience, no foreign affairs experience on one side and a time-tested senator, a respected war hero and a man who comes off as decent on the other. Who do I want in this day and age with the world in the state it's in....I'll take the experienced man.


I see two men that have presumably been selected by intelligent people as the best candidates to hold office, neither of whom have any experience of being President, which is the only experience that counts when push comes to shove.

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Every day Obama is apologizing for a misspoken comment or a misunderstood communication which got him into hot water with someone. Without someone to tell him what to say, he comes off as just a small fish trying to be a whale....I wouldn't buy a used car from him, either


Nobody is perfect Mike, we could trade the gaffes of both candidates from here until next Christmas and all weíre likely to do is underline that fact.

After carefully studying both candidates policies and listening to what they have to say  Iíve ended up with more respect for Obama, and trust him more than I trust McCain to make the right decisions. Thatís not to say I have no respect for McCain, I just think Obama is the better man for the job but Iíd still buy a used car off either of them.



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Well, now.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike McCain, but...<--there's my but !

it does seem to me that he just started saying what he needed to say to get the nomination. (I actually hope he's just doing that, in case he does win the election.) And just typing that gives me the winces, because that means I hope he's lying. And I've had quite enough of that.

I also hope he doesn't take our governor away--Louisiana needs Bobby Jindall.

Do I like Obama? Sure, I do.

Why?

Because he inspires people, and we need that.

Before you pick apart what I just said, please tell me why Obama's political gaffe's aren't as endearing as President Bush's. sigh...it would take me some time, but I'm sure I could find the thread where you stated that George W.'s lack of logic was not an indication of stupidity, but served as proof that he was not a polished lackey of the political "machine". (Yes, I paraphrased--sigh, I'm willing to wager you'll make me go looking for your quote, too.)



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I donít have much confidence in a presidential candidate who doesnít know the difference betweenCzechoslovakia and the Czech Republic, is unaware that Iraq doesnít border Pakistan, and doesnít know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite without Leiberman whispering in his ear.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU and when he does make a mistake, as he did in the recent CBS interview, refuses to admit his error. Easy to see why some call him McSame/McBush.

I donít think a ďdecentĒ man commits adultery, files for a license to marry a second time before heís even divorced from his first wife, leaves his family and disabled wife, refers to his second wife as a trollop and the c word, humiliates a child by saying the things McCain did about Chelsea Clinton, snickers and sings Bomb, Bomb Iran and makes a joke about killing Iranians with cigarettes.

McCain may be more experienced, but I find him lacking in character, knowledge and diplomacy skills - McSame/McBush.

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Serenity, we're not talking about Obama's political gaffes...we talking about his downright lies and misconceptions. That's a lot different than gaffes.

Grinch, do I think America is as good as it can possibly be? Nope, but I think it's good and I think it could be worse. If you don;t feel that Obama's lack of experience in the political and world arena makes a difference, then he gets your support. The fact that he is the presidential candidate ony means that he beat out the other few choices that were given to vote for....not that he is the best man for the job. Same with McCain. Hillary said, while running, that this was not the time for an on-the-job-training president, referring to Obama. She was right. I happen to like the fact there has not been another 9-11. That's not a change I would like to see.

Jennifer, then you must have DESPISED Clinton!
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     There is a logical fallacy that is called, roughly, "after the thing, therefore because of the thing."  Aristotle first identified it, I believe, so that gives it some legs; and Miss Pfeifer taught it to my fourth grade class back in Canton, Ohio.  She would have pointed at that example of no terrorist attacks since 9/11, and she would have looked at how that was being credited to current government policy, and she would have done a fair amount of laughing.

     She would have asked me if I'd bought a lucky rabbit's foot on September 12, and I would have said, "No, Ma'am," and she would have said, "Well, pretend you did."
With Miss Pfeiffer, you didn't want to fool around, so I would have changed my statement very quickly.  "Yes, Ma'am, I guess," is what I would have said, and you could have put money on it.

     "Now aren't you powerful?" she would have said.  "Because of you, there have been no terrorist attacks on the United States since 9/11."
    
     "But...But...But..."

     "You got as much proof as that Balladeer fella," she would have said, "with his funny talk about the administration being responsible for all that safety.  Just because one thing comes after another, doesn't mean that was the cause.  Just because Nobody's blown up something here in the U.S. while the Republicans have been getting people to step out of their shoes at the airports doesn't mean that's why nothing's been blown up.  It could have been your rabbit's foot or your daddy's new job.  It could be they think it's funny watching what Bush is doing to the country's constitution.  That's more damage than they could ever do by blowing up a building.  

     "Probably no connection either way, but you can't say," that's what Miss Pfeifer would say.  "Because that Balladeer fella's spouting another of them logical fallacies.  Probably thinks nobody'll notice that what do you call it."

     Post hoc ergo propter hoc, I think it was, yessir.  I'm almost sure of it.  Or something like that.
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Why would I despise Hillary? Not my choice for sure, but I certainly donít despise her.

The fact that there was a 9/11 and that it happened on Bushís watch speaks volumes about the necessity of choosing a presidential candidate whoís smart, informed, able to handle the demands of the office, doesnít repeatedly stumble through senior moments or nod off while performing his duties. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXE3JavR2Fw

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I wasn't referring to Hillary, Jennifer.

The fact that there was a 9/11 and that it happened on Bushís watch

Now THAT is probably the most incredible statement I've seen in the Alley...my congratulations, miss. You have outdone yourself. A  shame...if Obama, Gore or Kerry had been president, it never would have happened, I'm sure.

That's a prime example of why I left the Alley, seeing the lengths one will go to seek justifications. Have a wonderful day....

You are right, Bob. Nothing Bush has done since 9-11 has kept any terrorist activity in the country under control. It has been all coincidence. Cause and effect is a fallacy anyway, right? That would be like saying you learned things because she was a good teacher when, obviously, it was nothing more that coincidence, I'm sure. If our cars last longer because we change the oil regularly, that's just a coincidence, too, of course. Good luck with your rabbit's foot.....
 
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