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Did any one watch the convention Monday night?  What did you think about all the speakers?  I'm just curious.  

Personally, I have never been a big Clinton fan, but I thought former President Clinton's speech was extraordinarily impressive.  Also thought former President Carter said some pretty important things.  The political tactics are very interesting to watch this year, at least to me.  What do you think?  

Although I may not comment back...depending on my schedule this week, I am curious as to all your views.  Have fun!
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nope, didn't watch it. I don't believe any of them have anything useful (to me) to hear. I personally think Kerry is a joke.
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I am Canadian, but I watched the entire convention yesterday.  I think Jimmy Carter hit it bang on in his speech myself, and was also impressed with Clinton, but we also have to remember they don't always write the words to the songs they sing.  I have always been a Clinton fan, and he was by far my favorite President (but what do I know?) If you are taking a poll, I think John Kerry/John Edwards will get elected. I am not American but I think anything that will increase the quality of health care down there, and restore the fine reputation of the United States is a good bet.  I am sure curious how they intend of carrying out their energy independence plan, but we are watching with interest up here.  
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Actually it's basically a dead heat, with Bush actually leading by a bit in some polls. Kerry isn't going to help healthcare, and his foreign policy ideas (backing down) isn't going to help us gain respect either, I don't think. If we back down from terrorists like countries such as Spain, well.. they've won. Why do you think they keep threatening countries (such as Australia recently) with terror attacks if they don't abandon the US? They think it will work... and unfortunately, in some instances, it will.

And I know Canada is watching with interest... they want the US to join their Liberal ways!  

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quote:
and his foreign policy ideas (backing down) isn't going to help us gain respect either


Ooooh so that's the official Democratic platform, backing down.   

Have you read their platform or listened to Kerry's speech? Here's what he has to say:


"As President, I will wage this war with the lessons I learned in war.  Before you go to battle, you have to be able to look a parent in the eye and truthfully say: "I tried everything possible to avoid sending your son or daughter into harm's way. But we had no choice. We had to protect the American people, fundamental American values from a threat that was real and imminent."  So lesson one, this is the only justification for going to war.

And on my first day in office, I will send a message to every man and woman in our armed forces: You will never be asked to fight a war without a plan to win the peace.

I know what we have to do in Iraq.  We need a President who has the credibility to bring our allies to our side and share the burden, reduce the cost to American taxpayers, and reduce the risk to American soldiers.  That's the right way to get the job done and bring our troops home.

Here is the reality: that won't happen until we have a president who restores America's respect and leadership -- so we don't have to go it alone in the world.  

And we need to rebuild our alliances, so we can get the terrorists before they get us.  

I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as President.  Let there be no mistake:  I will never hesitate to use force when it is required.  Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security.  And I will build a stronger American military.

We will add 40,000 active duty troops not in Iraq, but to strengthen American forces that are now overstretched, overextended, and under pressure. We will double our special forces to conduct anti-terrorist operations. We will provide our troops with the newest weapons and technology to save their lives and win the battle.  And we will end the backdoor draft of National Guard and reservists.

To all who serve in our armed forces today, I say, help is on the way.

As President, I will fight a smarter, more effective war on terror. We will deploy every tool in our arsenal: our economic as well as our military might; our principles as well as our firepower.  

In these dangerous days there is a right way and a wrong way to be strong. Strength is more than tough words. After decades of experience in national security, I know the reach of our power and I know the power of our ideals.

We need to make America once again a beacon in the world. We need to be looked up to and not just feared.  

We need to lead a global effort against nuclear proliferation to keep the most dangerous weapons in the world out of the most dangerous hands in the world.  

We need a strong military and we need to lead strong alliances.  And then, with confidence and determination, we will be able to tell the terrorists: You will lose and we will win.  The future doesn't belong to fear; it belongs to freedom."


Doesn't sound like backing down to me.

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I had to work late into the night and missed the show, and also missed tonight's acceptance except for a short blurb on the radio. Most convention stuff is boring and repetitive, but I've heard that Kerry's acceptance speech was anything but same-old-boring-stuff.
Personally? anyone other than GW would get my vote.
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Kacy I quoted some of it but here's the full adress:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0729.html

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THANKS RAPH!

"You will never be asked to fight a war without a plan to win the peace.

I know what we have to do in Iraq.  We need a President who has the credibility to bring our allies to our side and share the burden, reduce the cost to American taxpayers, and reduce the risk to American soldiers.  That's the right way to get the job done and bring our troops home."

EXACTLY!

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Bring honesty and intregrity back to the high office. What a bunch of bull.

In other threads, I've read some thinking Kerry voiced the same opinion in support of Bush's actions, then flipped when it came time to run for office.  It goes back much farther than that: try from the 1990's through early 2004.  Correct me if I'm wrong on my history, but Bush wasn't the president in 1993, 1995, 1998, when the same intelligence information was being scrutinized and acted upon, especially touted and referenced to Kerry.  Although the acting upon was more or less along the lines of 'we ought to do something'.  Then along comes Bush, reads the same intel, and says 'we oughta do sumthin, an ah think ah will'.  And all was well and good (mostly) until it came time for the Democratic Party Primaries.  Then it became a good case for amnesia: I never said that.  I never meant that.  I never wrote that.  I don't recall.

He can remember what he said to a military committee from 1971-1972, but he can't recall what he said not 10 years ago?  Do we really need an acute amnesiac in office (though some call that convenient memory)?

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I'm not sure how Intel from 2004 is the same as Intel from 1993. Things change and much of the equipment that may have been there at one time or another is no longer. He didn't change his mind when running for office, he changed his mind, along with alot of us, once he saw how misleading the administration had been.

As for restoring honesty and integrity to the high office I agree with you. There's not a person alive that could. Honesty, integrity and politics don't mix.
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Alicat -- In all fairness, and with due respect, you are leaving out 9/11.  We were all affected by it and senators are supposed to reflect voting for their constituency and not act independently from the opinons they are supposed to represent.  Perhaps, Kerry believed Dubya's intel just like Dubya did.  Have we forgot what that means -- to represent US?  And, not to be told what to think?  

Midenitesun -- I'm with you on the handling of the war.  I don't think Kerry will back down and I absolutely adore John Edwards.  I watched most of the convention.  Kerry really did a good job and my opinion of him has been significantly lifted.  Our President should reflect our views.  Kerry has the strongest record of anyone on the Hill with regard to protecting the environment according to Bob Kennedy, Jr.  I think that not only does he care about saving our land but he cares about saving the world.  That pretty much has got my attention!  
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Did anyone hear Obama?  W O W -- what an impressive guy!
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Democratic, Republican, or "Other," they're all going to tell you what they think (based on their own polls) you want to hear. If some of those things they say and promise actually coincide with their own personal reality/belief systems, more's the better when they get into office.
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Hi everyone! Sorry I've been away for a week. The Democratic Convention was the reason I've been away, watching vigilantly to see what they hope to accomplish and where their party is heading to use the resources in my campaign to move Bush out of office.

I put together my report card for each major speaker during the four days of the convention in order:

(This is on a four-star scale)

********SPEECH REPORT-CARD: FIRST NIGHT********

(This is on a four star scale)

Al Gore: 1 1/2 Stars: C'mon, Al, every Democrat (and deep in the stubborn minds of some Republicans too) knows you truly won the election, not just by the popular vote but by the electoral too, having been robbed of Florida by Katherine Harris and Database Technologies! We all know the injustice of the last election, but you'll only lose credibility by continuing to push the needle through. You at least deserve some points for bringing about how we should translate the injustice into positive fusion by electing John Kerry, but please, we all know well Bush's presidental-run record will be 0-2 come November (or 1-1 if Bush does actually win).

Jimmy Carter: 2 Stars Jimmy Carter has never been a great public speaker, but despite his lack of enthusiasm in tone, he does always know how to make a strong one-liner worthy of being a bumper-sticker anthem. ("In the world at large, we cannot lead if our leaders mislead."). I can understand how the extremism thing may turn off some moderates, but it will be effective sinew for other voters determined to vote Democratic this election year.

Bill Clinton: 3 1/2 Stars Once again, Bill's speeches effortlessly resonate with a strong tone and convincing enthusiasm. This is certainly no exception, as Bill Clinton achieved his goal; to make sure this is about Kerry and not Clinton, and speak as a citizen, a "foot soldier", rather than the president again. He made some harsh comparisons to the two parties, nevertheless his positive tone was most overwhelming, with a strong, passionate tone filling the punchline "Send Kerry!".


****************SECOND NIGHT****************

Ted Kennedy: 2 1/2 Stars For a speech from average standards, it was pretty good. But by Ted Kennedy's standards, it couldn't help but be a disappointment. It sounded more like a history lesson on American values and culture than a speech. Ted Kennedy displayed mastery of empathy in his speech when running for office in 1980, but here, he fails to be human enough. So many great quotes and convincing descriptions, and witty tongue-in-cheekers like the Boston Tea Party slur (no worries for trouble pronouncing "suburb"!    but it doesn't quite accomplish what many were hoping for. They were hoping Ted Kennedy would once again represent the "liberal Lion Heart". This year, he will be overshadowed by Obama and Clinton.

Howard Dean: 3 Stars Howard Dean set out and accomplished just what everyone expected. To encourage his delegates and more liberal Americans that Kerry is the man. He kept it short and sweet, and there is nothing particularly memorable of his speech, but he did what he had to do and there's nothing to lose there.

Barack Obama: 4 Stars We may have just heard perhaps one of the best speeches in the past quarter-century! What makes this newcomer so moving is that he's very human and you feel his pain, you feel his empathy. You can emphasize with how his father struggled in Kenya, and his grandfather had dreams for his son, which were fulfilled and gave his father a college education and a new dream in America. There, you truly can emphasize that his presence on the stage WAS unlikely. But it happened! He expresses how the "faith in the simple dreams" has shaped America and all those who never would have made it possible elsewhere but found the light here.

You feel his empathy dripping in every young man he's met in Illinois, from the father in Galesburg, hopeless in knowing how he would pay $4,500 a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits that he counted on, to the young women in East St. Louis who have the ambition and good grades but can't go to college, to Shamus in East Moline, Illinois, wondering if he's getting back all he gives his nation.

Finally, he is able to effortlessly move to those he meets into emphasizing with John Kerry, and how his lifetime of service is example to how far the simple dream can take you, and how having witnessed the simple dream, he can now share it amongst others. With keeping criticism of the Bush administration to a trickle, he reveals a massive call to the "politics of hope". And with the way his energetic, convincing tone rings, there truly is a place for the skinny kid with the funny name in America too. And that part of the speech literally made me tear up!

Ron Reagen: 3 Stars Just like Howard Dean, he had only one priority to cover in his speech, and he set out what he hoped to accomplish. Address a topic without intending to make it political. Again, his speech won't be memorable, but he did shed light on the topic and accomplished his mission.

Teresa Heinz Kerry: 3 1/2 Stars Many were probably worried that both the "shove-it" comment, plus the fact she was speaking in a scripted form would not bring her speech justice. She overcame both obstacles by offering a deep, heartfelt speech resonating with her compassionate but also strong spirit. Sharing her history, it is inspiring too, like Obama, how she has come to be a success story in America.

Even in a scripted format, it still sounds very much like the ambrosia we hear from Teresa's heart. Some may argue that she spoke too slowly, and that is understandable. Nevertheless, she speaks from the heart, which we seldom see in politics sadly nowadays.


****************THIRD NIGHT****************

Jesse Jackson: 3 Stars Though his speech was only ten minutes long, it was a notabl speech of the evening. Jesse highlighted what the overlooked Maya Angelou's speech from Tuesday covered; civil rights accomplishments, and the hope in further fulfilling them. His speech spoke of deep hope, just what everyone needed to hear.

Al Sharpton: 2 1/2 Stars Al tackled a similar theme to Jesse, only with more negative shots at Bush. Al had some pretty strong, witty one-liners, but he kind of exhausted himself with the rhetoric. He mimicked muc of what Jesse had said earlier, and tried to put it in his own words. Still, his rhetoric sounded like the Al Sharpton we are accustomed to, and you can't mark him down for that.

John Edwards: 2 1/2 Stars To be honest, I almost feel like giving him 2 stars by his standards.

This was a very disappointing speech. First, he is noted for his ability to articulate hand gestures effortlessly in his speech and smile at the right times in small community gatherings. Last night, he failed on both. He used the wrong gestures at the right times, and smiled on serious issues, making it seem like he was smiling at a funeral.

Then, though he covers himself to some degree, if you have kept up with him, it sounded like nothing new to your ears. All he covered from Kerry was his service in Vietnam, but none of the other 35 years that many are anxiously waiting to hear.

Finally, he couldn't help but sound like a Republican at times. He seemed kind of grumpy (of course I understand he had a cold the last few days) and it really affected his mood, in seeming as optimistic as he usually is. He sounded very militaristic, especially with the controversial "we will destroy you" line against terrorist organizations.

The thing that saves the speech from being a total sham is his vocals, which still sound familiar and display how articulate he truly is. Even with a lack of meat for either Kerry or himself in his speech, his articulate nature makes him sound strong.

This is not the John Edwards we've known and loved over the past six months, and his folly here is just what may limit the bounce for the Democratic ticket.


*************FINAL NIGHT****************

John Kerry: 3 1/2 Stars: John Kerry restored confidence to where John Edwards may have broke some in more liberal potential voters Wednesday in his well-polished speech.

Though Kerry will still have to confront the "flip-flop" issue during the next three months, he worked some of Bush's criticisms against Bush in his speech:

"I am proud that after September 11th all our people rallied to President Bush's call for unity to meet the danger. There were no Democrats. There were no Republicans. There were only Americans. How we wish it had stayed that way."

"Now I know there are those who criticize me for seeing complexities -- and I do -- because some issues just aren't all that simple. Saying there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq doesn't make it so. Saying we can fight a war on the cheap doesn't make it so. And proclaiming mission accomplished, certainly doesn't make it so."

He also displayed empathy:

"What does it mean in America today when Dave McCune, a steel worker I met in Canton, Ohio, saw his job sent overseas and the equipment in his factory literally unbolted, crated up, and shipped thousands of miles away along with that job? What does it mean when workers I've met had to train their foreign replacements?

America can do better. So tonight we say: help is on the way.

What does it mean when Mary Ann Knowles, a woman with breast cancer I met in New Hampshire, had to keep working day after day right through her chemotherapy, no matter how sick she felt, because she was terrified of losing her family's health insurance.

America can do better. And help is on the way.

What does it mean when Deborah Kromins from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania works and saves all her life only to find out that her pension has disappeared into thin air -- and the executive who looted it has bailed out on a golden parachute?

America can do better. And help is on the way.

What does it mean when 25 percent of the children in Harlem have asthma because of air pollution?

America can do better. And help is on the way.

What does it mean when people are huddled in blankets in the cold, sleeping in Lafayette Park on the doorstep of the White House itself -- and the number of families living in poverty has risen by three million in the last four years?

America can do better. And help is on the way."


And, Kerry beamed through on an issue that has been in Bush's favor, faith.

"And let me say it plainly: In that cause, and in this campaign, we welcome people of faith. America is not us and them. I think of what Ron Reagan said of his father a few weeks ago, and I want to say this to you tonight: I don't wear my own faith on my sleeve. But faith has given me values and hope to live by, from Vietnam to this day, from Sunday to Sunday. I don't want to claim that God is on our side. As Abraham Lincoln told us, I want to pray humbly that we are on God's side. And whatever our faith, one belief should bind us all: The measure of our character is our willingness to give of ourselves for others and for our country."

But moreover, Kerry rounded up his speech with his persoanl views on what patriotism, family, and his nation has meant to him in his long career of service, which drew awe to a majority of commentators.

My only main criticism of his speech was his noticable attempt to be like Clinton in his use of hand gestures. He increased the use of them throughout the speech, and it was at times distracting. However, this well-written speech distracted that flaw with an impressive closure to this convention.

********************************************


Sincerely,
Noah Eaton



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I thought many of the speakers were outstanding. And Kerry lived up to my hopes for him.
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Well, if Kerry was so worried about being hasty about the war, why did he vote for it?!?

I did watch the convention, you didn't have to post the whole transcript. He gave the typical Micheal Moore-ish stuff that those people in that building wanted to hear. And about morality and values? Give me a break..

Other things that piss me off about that convention---

Heinz Kerry--- What a struggle she had?? Come on.. she married a billionare who died and left her with everything. SOO HARD, what a struggle, eh?

Edwards--Son of a millworker... anyone mention that his father was the boss? Not a fancy start, but not the lowly Abe Lincolin start that the party is trying to make it out to be.

Clinton- Quite an elequant speaker, to be sure... but he let Bin Laden sit while he was planning 9-11 under our noses. Granted, that was a different world, but I still think he could have done more.

I"m actually registered as an independent, for the record.. the Republican party has it's flaws too.. but for this election, I'm leaning right.  

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quote:

Heinz Kerry--- What a struggle she had?? Come on.. she married a billionare who died and left her with everything. SOO HARD, what a struggle, eh?



This statement is without a doubt the most heartless I've ever read at PIP.  I understand that it comes from one lacking in life experience but that hardly excuses it.  To all of the youths that think they have the world figured out I only have one word;  

'Peripetia.'
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Lovebug -- Thanks for your comments.  It is very interesting to see other viewpoints.  About Kerry voting for the war....I want to believe that he was influenced by 9/11 like everyone was and that his voters (after all he is a representative of the PEOPLE) supported his decision -- one must remember our whole country believed there was a LINK to Iraq (at least the majority) based on what Powell ("Mr. Credible") took to the UN.  And it looked liked we got backed into a position where at that point we could not back down and save face.  The intel the Senate received also urged them that there WERE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.  Personally, I felt at the time we were being told the truth; maybe he did, too.  

I felt like I should give Kerry a second look after his speech.  After all, there has been a world of negative spin on him.  I was quite impressed (for the first time, I might add) with his ability to articulate without being stuck in the monitors.  I believe he spoke from his heart.  His problem is that representatives in the Congress and Senate are supposed to vote the way their voters want.  He has now told us what he believes and if we put him in office, that is an affirmation of what we want.  I think he will try to live up to those expectations.  Yes, they are all politicians....and who can you believe.  Well, I don't believe the current administration anymore.  We have to have a leader...and I do believe it is time for a change.  To put it bluntly, the direction our nation is going is frightening!    

NOAH -- I agree with you 90%.  I would have given Edwards a 3 plus something.  He was sick, and had been really sick -- I thought he was going to lose his voice at one point.  He did come across a little aggressive about the war -- but I think his point was eluding to leaving our troops there with insufficient support.  At least, I hope he wasn't indicating we were going to act unilaterally again (I have never thought that was how he felt from what I've read and heard of him).  AND, OBAMA, ONCE AGAIN, WOW!
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Well Reb, I had to look it up.

And once again I have to thank you for the education.

Besides, I found a cool poem.
http://adirondackreview.homestead.com/sage2.html

and as for the topic of the thread, I'm taking my opinion to the voting booth, but I am enjoying the conversation.
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Karen, thanks for adding that link.  What a wonderful poem and how very pertinent!  

Local Rebel -- Thanks.  Glad you're here.
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Many thanks to you Blazey for the poem.. very nice.. the author should be at PIP!  

iliana

and a point of personal comfort -- much obliged Noah that you finally stopped centering your text!!     (now about the colors...)
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Awwwwwwww, Local Rebel, I know......! LOL! I just think colors are sooooooo pretty! (giggles)



No, seriously, I only used the colors to categorize each evening. If I used one color, it would be an eyesore to hunt out each speech in the long thread.



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Anyway, here's my thought on this presidential race.

It is almost heartaching in my opinion, it truly is. Looking back in history, I find it starkly resemblant to the Election of 1964, when Lyndon B. Johnson went against Barry Goldwater after JFK's assassination. They saw Vietnam beginning to erupt, and more and more spoke out through the years ahead. Many thought if they had elected LBJ then the tragedy would stop. Sadly, it didn't and LBJ only made Vietnam worse, then Nixon catastrophic.

I never actually grew up then, but I hear all the time from my friends and colleagues of that era and relating to them, 2004 feels so familiar. I almost feel ashamed to admit that I don't know what to think. I am ashamed, but I've got to be honest, that is the truth. I'm aware that Kerry voted for the war in the beginning, then voted against the $87 billion in funding for Iraq later. I strongly feel like many of our senators, Kerry's vote was due to misleading evidence, and then voting against the fund later was his statement saying, "We've been had, and I cannot keep funding this error!". I don't know how relevant that may be, nevertheless I do know one thing. WE NEED A CHANGE.

I'm aware of what Edwards said on his Wednesday speech, him talking about adding 40,000 to the military and doubling special forces, something I don't particularly agree with. Nevertheless I also am aware that 95% of Democratic delegates have officially said they're against the war, and a little less against the Patriot Act. I feel in my heart Kerry and Edwards are trying to get to the moderate ground, like politicians do in every campaign, and their real agenda is following the majority interest. I have seen so many wrong things the Bush Administration has done wrong, and I say "Anyone can easily do better!".

Within the next three months, I think we'll be finding that we're more than just angry pacifists or patriots, we are also upset and hungry anthropologists, trying to figure out who we are, how we are different and where we went wrong. The truth is, we must learn to settle our differences, regardless of political party and preference, and think like one another and come to a collected common conscience.

Now you all know I am liberally-minded. I won't deny that and I won't debate with those with differing political beliefs. But there is also a plane beyond our political platforms that divide us, America itself. We MUST unite in a common conscience as soon as possible, or we'll continue to repeat elections such as this one from generation to generation.

For a start, I know not evetyone is going to agree with me, but in my heart, I feel it is the right move. I see hundreds of groups forming, wanting a change so much with every ounce of their heart. And, though still troubled with the possible consequences Kerry might do like LBJ, I know so many are disappointed with Bush. So I've put my foot down. I'm voting kerry-Edwards, and I know in a short time-frame, it may be controversial. But in a long time-frame, I believe many will be thanking me.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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23 posted 07-30-2004 11:31 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Noah, I am not a Liberal.....I USED TO BE a Republican....but I agree with what you've said. -- I suppose I would be classified as a Demlibrep....hehehe....no, really, it's that middle ground that we are going to have to reach before there is further division in this country.
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24 posted 07-31-2004 01:15 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

quote:
Demlibrep



ROTFLMAO! that is hilarious!  Can I use that one in my next political write? LOL, I think it might actually be a viable party!
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