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75 posted 08-01-2004 10:20 AM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

I was told that I could possibly be dramatic soprano when I hit 40 or so, lol. I go fairly high but I have a richer lower range than some sopranos do. They say it's hard to really tell the direction the voice will take before the age of 25 or so, so I guess it's all just an educated guess at this point. I'm not going to be a performer though, so I probably won't be singing ALL that much when I hit 40 anyway   Best of luck to your daughter though. Maybe, to get some money while she waits, she could give lessons. I'd love to learn from a Julliard graduate!  

The money did come from the state, but I think that the astonishing thing is that WV, one of the poorest states in the USA, was able to flourish enough to be able to afford such a huge program under his admin.

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76 posted 08-01-2004 01:41 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

About the school funding....you must have a good governor and some good state legislators who know how to manage money.  I can't say I would give the Bush admin. credit for that -- that's local.  I would call that your own hard work meaning your state's doing.  Speaking for Texas, our schools have declined, tremendously.

Sounds like your voice type is similar to my daughters.  She does plan on giving lessons and to work part-time until she starts earning enough performing.  There are many apprentice programs, etc., which you probably know all about, which she will audition for, and prize money competitions, etc.  So, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.  Good luck with your career.  



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77 posted 08-01-2004 01:51 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

I think it was good work all the way around, thats just me though... Bush did win WV last time, the first Republican president to do so in a long time. I think he'll win the state again.. it'll be closer, but I think his values will win it for him. Very conservative down here.

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.. and I was just saying that it's not like she actually worked for all those billions anyway.

I'm curious, Erica, how you can feel that way about money but apparently don't feel the same about talent? I mean, it's not like you actually worked for all that talent you have. Your musical genes were a gift, one that I was sorely denied (I could spend the rest of my life at Julliard and still be unable to play even the radio in the right key).

Maybe it's less about what we are given and more about what we do with the gift?

If so, it sounds to me like you and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry are both working hard to turn your gifts into something meaningful. No one is obligated to praise you for that, of course, but I think it would be rather grudging if that was all they could find to criticize.
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79 posted 08-01-2004 06:46 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

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Maybe it's less about what we are given and more about what we do with the gift?

Ron, AMEN! to that, and thank you!
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80 posted 08-01-2004 07:11 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

I may have been born with some talent, but I can assure that I work my butt off to keep up around here. All talent needs work and refinement to count for anything. (I also worked hard to earn the scholarships I have, so that I can be here, working on getting more talent) I don't think there's really any comparison.

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81 posted 08-01-2004 07:25 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

LoveBug, I think you misunderstand what Ron is saying.  My read on his comment was that music genes are a gift.  There are people who don't have that gift (e.g., my brother is totally tone deaf).  Yes, I agree to perfect the gift, one must work.  But who says that Mrs. Kerry doesn't work.  I really don't believe she is sitting on her butt eating bonbons all day -- no, she is working.  I just don't get your comparison or why it is so important to you.  
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82 posted 08-01-2004 07:29 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Actually if you look at the electoral map http://www.electoral-vote.com/    West Virginia is in the 'barely Kerry' block at the moment.  It will be close.

I wonder, looking at this map, how many Dems who were screaming to abolish the Electoral College back in 2k would be saying the same thing now with Kerry at 19 over the 270 votes needed to win and Bush at only 232.

There's plenty of time for the map to change yet.  But electorally speaking the race just isn't as close as it is being portrayed by the popular vote -- 48 to 45.
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83 posted 08-01-2004 07:32 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Local Rebel - thanks for that link.  The info is much appreciated!  
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84 posted 08-01-2004 07:49 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

This page
http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/graph.html

charts the electoral votes over time -- interesting effect of the death of Reagan, with no appreciable influence from f9/11, but the Edwards announcement gave a significant bounce and then the Democratic Convention shows it leveling off... if these trends mean anything the Republican Convention could have an impact -- and there will be the debates as well -- but this year it seems like people have their minds made up.

The real question will be -- since people already know who Bush is -- and didn't really know Kerry (that is to say the majority of the people) until the convention... how will the Reps Convention be able to make an impact?

They're going to be rolling out Republicans who are all very similar in position to Kerry/Edwards... McCain, Schwartzenegger, Giulianni... strange politics.
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Very strange, indeed, I agree.  I noticed the similarity of many things and have been doing my research ever since the primaries but I don't quite follow the statistics -- more the personalities.  I read a couple of bios on the Bush family, etc., because I wanted to know GWHB's family roots and if he had new money or old.  Surprise, surprise....the Bush family pretty much has a large chunk of the capital investment game, not to mention the joint ventures they share with the Saudis...conflict of interest????  I'd like to hear what you know about all this since I know you are far more versed on this topic than me, Reb.  And, what about Kerry's skeletons -- or have we heard them all already.  I mean I have heard he was in the same frat as GWB -- Yale's Skull and Bones; I've also heard he was born with a Jewish last name and changed it to Kerry so his initials would be JFK......how much of that is true.  But then, I've read that the Bushs are all tied up with Sung Myung Moon and there seems to be no dispute over that... just not well publicized. Also read that GWB was visiting (I think it was having dinner with) John Hinkley's brother at the time John Hinkley put a bullet in Reagan, and that the brother was involved in the CIA.  Just curious.
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86 posted 08-01-2004 10:10 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

I'm just saying that if Mrs Kerry was like "I worked hard to get to where I am because I have my OWN business (or I'm a doctor or a rocket scientist or whatever)" it would have had more impact than just the fact that she married into that money. I'm just saying that having that fall into your lap is a lot different from getting an imperfect talent that takes a lot of work and usually doesn't result in very much, when everything is said and done. If I hadn't worked hard and practiced in high school, I would have never gone to university for music at all. It's not like I woke up with the perfect voice (heck,I'm not even close to being the best in my state school...). So I DO believe that I worked to attain most of the talent I have.

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Well Iliana, I went to a party with Paul McCartney but that didn't make me a Beatle or even a top 40 pop star.  If you've ever played the Kevin Bacon game then you know that if you grasp hard enough you can put two things together at some point.  It may be a fact.  But what does it mean?  I could say that I have 'ties' to Paul McCartney and it might be remotely true.  But, I look at most of this kind of stuff with as much disdain as I have for Dick Cheny trying to tie Saddam Hussein to Al Qaida.  

I've found enough that I can dislike about Bush and Cheney that's a matter of public record.  

Every politician has people that he's beholdin to.  I think it's just important to look at who that cast of characters is, what the principles of the man are, what his ideas are, who the people are that are closest to him.  And then go from there.
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88 posted 08-02-2004 12:01 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

"If you've ever played the Kevin Bacon game then you know that if you grasp hard enough you can put two things together at some point"

nodding here, six degrees of separation, they say, that is all that divides us.

Remember that game we played in serenity's garden, and the exclamation of "we must be related!"

It's cause we are related.

(Serenity types firmly with full use evident of both opposable thumbs.)

y'see what I mean?

I hope so.

Lovebug? Peace, lady. If you're feeling a bit defensive about YOUR life, imagine how SHE feels 'bout now?

sighs and mutters exiting
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Local Rebel -- True, true....I guess that's the gossipy woman in me.  And, ummmm, I love a good mystery, too, I guess.  

I'm almost afraid to put what I know is on the public record with regard to the current pres.  When working for a certain national legal publication, I reported one of the very little publicized lawsuits in my homestate which had to do with the lottery scandal here.  Need I say more.  The story was kept out of the national publication and limited to local distribution (and this was supposed to be an independent media source for lawmakers, at the time)!!  Geeeeez  Shall I go on.....shall I tell you that while my husband worked for Haliburton in Indonesia, that his branch of the company was sold out beneath him and we were the only family in Indonesia that did not know for six months how we would get back to the U.S. because my husband's contract was sold, as well and he was not offered a renewal; and the purchaser took no responsibility for us and that this felt to be very intentional!  So much for the H story.....guess who was in charge at that time??  I know that should not have any bearing on my feelings, but there is so much more, being that I'm from Houston....word gets around, yaknow?.  And with the whole B family, there's that trail of business entites that the same names keep popping up in; or maybe their brothers names or father's name, and that is on the record, sharing distintion with some royalty from Saudi Arabia.  I see conflict of interest written all over everything with this current administration.  I don't know if he's a good man or a bad man, a smart man (with a speech problem) or a dumb man.  His job is to serve us, and I see conflict of interest.  And as for the C guy, well, I have no doubt he's a smart guy, and likeable, but, once again, conflict of interest.  Okay.....nuf of my ranting.  Whew, must be the moon.


Came back to add this:  I agree...we should look at the record.  But as to the man's principles....how can you really tell with any politician except to see if his actions match his words.  And even that is confusing because of all of the supposed "Bush Quotes."  Maybe he really does mean some of the things he's said....hehehe ...I guess I'm taking this a little too far.  It's redundant to say his principles are capitalistic; yes, the buck stops with him. (pun intended) How do we know that isn't true of all politicians?

Karen & Reb -- I know that game.  I stink at it.  My daughter used to drive me nuts with it.  But, it is true, I think....just 6.
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--and thats why I'm not in public office. :P

Another thing I thought of today: Kerry... he's all for eliminating fossil fuels. WV is basically ran on coal. It's our number 1 industry, and believe me, this state will die if he cuts that out. No people, no taxes, (no people buying lotto tickets!) no scholarship. I guess there's more at stake with me than I thought :P

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91 posted 08-02-2004 06:48 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Kerry is for ending our dependence on foreign oil... something that our President also (claims to) favors.

Fossil fuels will eliminate themselves.  

Iliana -- I wouldn't equate this particular phenomenon to any gender -- there are plenty of male talk-show hosts generating all kinds of conspiracy theories all the time... for their mostly male audiences.  It's human nature to be curious when we hear things like this...

Don't recall the speaker right at the moment but there is an old saying... 'Who decieves the goverment (the people?)  The one who keeps his thoughts to himself.'

We have an ongoing responsibility to stay engaged (and it's good that Erica feels that calling so early in life -- I made my oldest daughter watch only one hour of the convention for a civics lesson and she wanted to know why she was being punished!) and root out these kinds of issues -- but seriously -- a 'vast' conspiricy takes a lot of secrecy and we live in a day and age when there are cameras on everything and the President of the United States can't even get a you know what in the Oval Office without the whole world finding out about it.

Blazey -- I prefer to hope I'm further than six degrees from Hitler and Osama... but, somebody who really wanted to could probably connect us?  

Peace all.. !  
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92 posted 08-02-2004 06:59 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Yes, LoveBug, you said it yourself, there is more to stake with you than you thought.  There is a whole lot more.  The lottery I was referring to was not the money game, BTW.  And, if all of our fossil fuel is gone, then what???? Shall we keep raping the Earth.  We are smarter than that.  There are other forms of fuel, and believe me, those big businesses who are currently into fossil fuel are already spending their money on research into alternative forms of fuel, I'd bet you on it, because they keep wanting to make money.  I used to work for Armco Steel when I was a little bit older than you.  They were involved in the mining business, too.  Believe me, the things I know from true experience....any large company has contingency plans for venturing out into other ways to make money; and sometimes, they use layoff as a way to redistribute funds for those purposes.  There will be other kinds of jobs.  At some point in time, we have to stop taking everything there is thinking it's always going to replenish itself.  It does, but it takes thousands and thousands of years.  Alternative energies should be a priority!!!!  When I was 18 years old I was selected by my high school to attend a symposium on this very topic at the University of Cincinnati with some of the top scientists in the U.S. to lecture us.  We were told then that we were going to run out of these types of fuels in our lifetime and there were lectures on encouragement of the group of about 1000 to plan for the future with regard to learning about preserving the ecology and brainstorming for alternative energy.  If we don't get blown up by terrorists, we will not survive anyway unless we learn to live in harmony with mother nature!  Just a thought.
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Local Rebel, no argument from me.  You are right, it is great LoveBug is interested and talking.  LoveBug, that's a compliment -- shows great leadership skills.  Back to you you Reb, I am LOL to your comment about Hitler and Osama.  
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You're right about the coal running out, esc.. but another problem about WV is the avaliability of land for companies to build on, and the accessability, especially in southern WV (where I'm from originally and where the conditions are the worst). Kerry voted against mountaintop removal, so there goes any land for decent roads and building. I'm not enviroment-hater, but I think there's a balance. We can have our mountains (which are beautiful) and also find a way to make a living.

And I don't understand why so many young people are indifferent. It's shocking.. I mean, the young people who are fighting in the wars around the world are mostly around my age. I shouldn't be an oddity. Even my university friends (who you'd except to know more.. [wrong]) were like "convention? I thought that was like, in November". :P

Ah, tomorrow's leaders..

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No I didn't Jo...I tried, but became really tired of hearing the hypocracy of the rah rah speaches, God Bless American...the Land of the People, by the People and for the People...and couldn't help but think, sheeesh, and then Sharpton came on...I know his ex wife personally, and can honestly say, I don't really like that guy...and Kerry's wife is elegant and very much a lady, but still living back in the 60's. I dunno, maybe it's me?  
I've just lost trust in our leaders of this country...all things seem to be voted upon with the idea of money and whats in it for "me".  
Thanks for the chance Jo, to join in and ponder...
Hugs...Lee J.
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