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50 posted 07-31-2004 11:40 PM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

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I was just saying that I don't feel that she has had things so horribly bad off in her life, and the fact that she's trying to portray something other than that just pisses me off, thats all.


Get a grip it's politics. Name one politician or their family members, who don't portray themselves as something else come election time. If it's such a major concern why not focus some of rage towards Bush skeleton's and the way he portrays himself?

And to say "I don't feel that she has had things so horribly bad off in her life" is silly because it quantifies pain or suffering. All it takes is ONE event.
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51 posted 07-31-2004 11:43 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Ralph!  As to the shoes thing.
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Grins and um...btw Raph or Raphael..
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53 posted 07-31-2004 11:47 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Aenimal - Thanks, which do you really prefer?
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Raph or Raf is fine with me. Ralph just makes me cringe because people assume that's the anglo version of my name but it's not. I hear Ralph I think of the big Sheepdog(or was it the coyote?) from Looney Tunes. Raplh n Sam.
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Wasn't there a Disney movie with a Ralph sheepdog or something?  Well, now my son has corrected me on that -- not a movie, just the cartoons. Okay, Raf it is!

I just read this whole forum to my son.....he says "please refrain from flaming on forums."  Geeezzzz, he's so grown up.  
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56 posted 08-01-2004 12:10 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

The only thing of which I am aware that is threatening you Erica is the same thing that threatens us all.  Time.  Time is going to change you in ways that you cannot now anticipate.  You will in time, no doubt, grow to love someone immeasurably.  

If, heaven forbid, you should lose him, 'Getting something' in lieu of having him will be no consolation whatsoever.  Whether it is a billion dollars or meeting someone new.  You would find comfort, love, and joy in your new love -- but it would not change the fact that you wished you never lost him.  You would give up a billion dollars or more to have one more moment with him.  

(Which is my reference Iliana -- Teresa Heinz-Kerry has made the direct comment that she would give up everything if Mr. Heinz hadn't died.  I was listening to Rush Limbaugh on Wednesday after Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's speech and one of his ardent ditto-heads called in and was lambasting her for keeping 'Heinz' as part of her name and that she couldn't really love Kerry for keeping it having made the comment that she would give up everything.  To his credit Mr. Limbaugh had the soul and sensitivity to chastise said caller for getting too personal and said very nearly the same thing that you have -- that we just don't know what goes on in the minds and hearts of people and some things are just off limits.)

When it is your time for loss Erica -- I don't expect that you will want anyone to tell you to just buck up -- you're just one of many -- everyone suffers loss.
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57 posted 08-01-2004 12:28 AM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

I will say it yet again.

I wasn't belittling her LOSS, I'm just saying that her life isn't significantly worse than the average American's life is. She didn't even focus that much on her first husband in the speech I was talking about. She talked about her low roots and background, esc.. and I was just saying that it's not like she actually worked for all those billions anyway. I never said that the money replaced her husband or anything, I just said that it doesn't make her like the average American, because she isn't. You're putting words into my mouth.

And it's nice of you to wish me suffering and loss. I've already had my share, thank you very much. I'm going to be the better person and wish that you DON'T suffer any loss.

And you are also making a very wrong assumption about me (again) when you say that I will SOMEDAY love someone more than life. I already do, thank you.

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I remember A Ralph the sheepdog, in one episode though I think the Coyote was Ralph for some reason. Then there was Ralph S. Mouse a book by Beeverly Cleary and precursor to Stuart Little. Quite frankly I remember too much.
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59 posted 08-01-2004 12:31 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I did absolutely nothing of the sort.
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60 posted 08-01-2004 12:34 AM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

You keep going on about when I get my loss or suffer my loss (I've lost several dear people, thank you).

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Outlive my love for Thee

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Then you should know better than to imply that because she's a billionare she doesn't deserve compassion for her loss and pain.
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I wasn't denying compassion for her loss, as I've said HOW many times now?! I was just saying that she didn't really do very much to move from her beginnings to where she is today, and thats why I don't feel like she's some big person to be admired. Nobody deserves to lose a husband, but I just don't think that she's some wonderful rags to riches story..

You are ALL missing (ignoring)my point, attacking me personally and putting words in my mouth.

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And that is wishing you loss?  This has by far surpassed absurdity.

Raph -- you have omitted the most important Ralph of them all?  (c'mon -- you know who I'm talking about! )
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The absurd thing is that you both keep ignoring the parts where I say I'm not belittling her loss, that I just don't admire her as someone who went from a lowly background to riches, because it's nothing that she did herself. If Kerry was the only one she had married and gave her all that money, I'd be saying the exact same thing.

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65 posted 08-01-2004 12:49 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Local Rebel -- thanks for the comments.  You're a gentleman and a scholar!  lol  I understand what you are saying.  

LoveBug -- Personally, I don't care if she had a rags to riches story or not.  She is not going to be running the White House.  She's going to be decorating the White House.  She, I believe, is well respected abroad, well educated, articulate, and not afraid of bullies.  I have some admiration for her because she speaks her mind, in several different languages, I might add.  I have nothing against Mrs. Bush; she seems like a sweet, subserviant woman, and very appealing to the right wing.  I happen to like her, too.  I just don't care which one of them gets in.  It's the President I care about!  
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I don't care if she had a rags to riches story either, only that she tried to make it seem that way. She's trying to suck up and say "Oh if you're homeless you can be a billionare someday like me". If that was due to her starting her own business, esc.. then that would be something to admire, but that isn't how she came across that money, so I don't think it is. That doesn't  mean that I'm some fiend that thinks that she didn't love her husband, I'm just saying that she didn't own or run the business, so the money didn't come as a result of anything she did. I just don't think that that's really so special. I'd rather be on my path, a music teacher, and have it be something that I've earned, and not something that was given to me, as oppsed to having billions. It doesn't have anything to do with her husbands death or if she loved him or whatever.. THATS ALL.. geez

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67 posted 08-01-2004 01:02 AM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

Ralph Kramden? Or Nader? lol
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LoveBug -- a music teacher.  Now that is a fine profession!  I just hope the funding is still in the public schools for you, because you know the arts have been very much ignored by the current administration.  And when times get tough, the music departments suffer....never the football teams, unfortunately.  How do I know this....I majored in music ed at one point in my long process of growing up.  Also, my daughter is a Juilliard grad with her masters.....mostly scholarship and loans....no we are not wealthy...we are average income.  My daughter's tuition went up under the Bush administration twice, both times by at least a couple thousand dollars a year and the scholarships and work study available went down!
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Ralph Nader, now there is an interesting guy!  I think with him, what you see is what you get.
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Of course Cramdon... Kramden?  sp?  anyone?

Not Nader.  

Nader has relegated himself to little significance.  Unlike a parliamentary system here -- a third party candidate cannot garner any power.

In Canada a third party vote can translate into seats in the parliament and therefore a voice in selecting the PM... here... nada...zip... that's Nadar... nada... zip..

He could be putting his energy into something that would actually consolidate his position... but, no... he'd rather take the money from Republicans to make another pointless, vain, run.
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Reb, I have to agree with you....maybe in the end, he'll cut a deal for a position or something where he can make a difference, I hope, I hope.

Oh, and, I looked it up; it's Cramdon.  If you're talking about Ralph Cramdon of The Honeymooners, that is.  lol
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I wasn't sure either but checked before I wrote it, most sites I found and TVLand list it as Kramden.

Nader and Republicans funding Nader make me sick(edited for the kiddies)

As for the Canadian system your absolutely right, this happened recently as the NDP(shivers) managed to get enough votes to make the Liberals a minority government in the Federal election.
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Watching the Canadian elections (I did, I did!) was a bit confusing for me, the virgin to Canadian elections (virgin to a lot of things actually ), but I don't guess it's any more confusing than our 2000 election was.

I remember first learing about how the electoral college went, and asking "So, even if one nominee had the most votes, the one who had the most votes that COUNT would win?" and thinking that was a bit silly. Was I psychic?

Your daughter is in Julliard? Awesome, what's her instrument? I'm voice (they say I'll be lyric Soprano). As for public schools, every one I've been to throughout my education (and three presidents) had about the same quality of music education (underfunded, sometimes nonexistant. I learned the most from my private tutor, which still didn't amount to a WHOLE lot once I got into univeristy.. it got me in though, and it got me started, thats the important thing!). As for the tuition.. I go to a state school, and under the current administration, the state was able to impliment a program where if you have good test scores and grades (and keep a good GPA in univ.) that you have a full tuition waiver for a WV state school. Not all bad from Bush, eh?

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LoveBug -- Her major was opera studies -- she used to be a high bright mezzo but she is changing and going higher -- she will ultimately be a dramatic soprano, I believe.  It is a tough, expensive road to follow if you want a performance career.  She is about as good as it gets for her age (24) but getting "good" gigs being that young is tough for someone that good unless you are really lucky and well-funded...know all the right people, etc.  She has been very lucky so far...scholarships, performances, etc., but now that she's out of school, the real challenge is just starting.  I've heard most people's careers don't really take off until they're about 30.  In the meantime, it's so easy to get side-tracked earning a living.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed for her.  Well, now, that's a bit off point of this thread, huh?  Oh, well, it's all about sharing, right?

Back on track a little now....I thought state schools were state funded....I guess I must be a little behind on that.  I just know how her tuition has increased and how the scholarships awarded aren't as big as they used to be at her school.
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