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with the deluge of war films leading up to today's ceremonies i wonder, what are your favourite movies and why? it's not easy depicting something as ugly and confusing as war artistically. for me it's about maintaining a balance between art and realism while avoiding sentimentalism or glorification.  here are 3 of my favourites:


Apocalypse Now Redux: haunting look at the madness of the vietnam war. the redux version is vastly superior as the added footage fleshes out the story and helps the viewer further understand kurtz' and willard's positions.

Saving Private Ryan: Unsurpassed realism and incredible cinematography. though, i sometimes find the ending borders on sap.

The Longest Day: excellent storytelling and international casting. the acting is fantastic for an older film with the exception of John Wayne, (sorry just never got him)

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Saving Private Ryan- The realism of the opening scenes showing the horrors of killing, and the storyline showing the humanism of all wars.

Hamburger Hill- The futile actions taken in the name of war. Even though the battle was a success (if it can be called that), the units fighting took too many casualites and fought over that rock much too long.

Boys In Company C- The ONLY war flick my father refused to watch. He said it was the closest that he had ever seen... especially that scene on the bridge.

The Sands Of Iwo Jima- the only movie I was allowed tos ee in Boot Camp. Besides (sorry, Raph) It has the Duke in it.

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Apocalypse was a great movie but completely unrealistic for the most part to anyone I know who was there.

My vote, beyond a doubt, goes to Hamburger Hill.

My second choice may be surprising but I would select Gone With the Wind and, frankly my dear......
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"Full Metal Jacket" probably because I was at a wierd stage in my life. I saw this film when I was like 13 or so, but it sticks in my mind.
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The first one that came to mind is a total rave fave of mine--I watch it whenever I can.

"The Dirty Dozen"

A great story and a fine ensemble of actors.

(and no, not too great on the realism, but you want to see war depicted realistically, try rennovating a house with your significant other. )

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"Full Metal Jacket" cause it was so funny...the boot camp part that is,,that Drill Sgt. has a monologue that just didn't stop

"Heartbreak Ridge" cause it showed how, ummm, well, how sometimes, smart alec lil know it alls (that happen in all walks of life) can keep good soldiers from being born.

"The Red Line"  wow, that one,,showed me, how very fragile humanities grasp on life is

And, I have to add Stalag 17 as well, taught me the name "Snickelfritze"........



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While more a series than a movie...

Band of Brothers comes to mind...

Had to smile at 'Deer's choice of Gone with the Wind...one of my favorite movies of all time, frankly...and all
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add *A Bridge Too Far

never heard of it Pdv but read an outline and it sounds interesting

thanks Ringo, been meaning to see Sands, as for the Duke hejust seems like a caricature in every movie

Deer for the most part yeah, apocalpyse is way over the line but that it serves to heighten the tension of the story. As for Hamburge Hill i'm not sure i've seen the entire movie, it's one of those ones i keep meaning to but forget.

Jeffrey maybe because drill Sgt. Hartman's speeches are hard to forget. grin

Great on K, no not entirely realistic but a great movie. I'll pass on the home reno show thanks  

thanks michelle, yup who can forget the sweet talking drill Sgt.

Karilea Band of Brothers is brilliant, an excellent companion to Private Ryan.
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The one that sticks in my mind is Casualties of War. I usually won't watch war movies but this one was based on truth so I watched it.
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The reason the Drill Instructor in Full metal Jacket seems so realistic, and... viscious... is because the actor, R. Lee Ermey, was- in fact- a Marine Corps Drill Instructor during the Vietnam era. He got together with the script writer and the director and re-worked all of the DI's lines.

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Bridge Over the River Kwai.
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That one too, Christopher...
Yep...

And what was the one that Jimmie Stewart was in?  Seems to me he was in a couple of them, but I can't remember the names...
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Nicely done, Paula...yes! Definitely!!
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Oh I highly suggest if you have not seen "Harrison's Flowers" do so...

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I remember two "war" movies of Stewart's now..."Shenandoah" [fairly romantic, I know, but still...] and "Strategic Air Command".

Gads, I'm old.
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'Patton' which has withstood the scrutiny of most historians and men who were there -- including Patton's own son who said George C. Scott had him nailed to a 'T'.

More fictional and not so real but still a good yarn -- 'Where Eagles Dare'.

A movie that didn't glorify war but bore the name 'Glory'.

One that I saw at a drive-in movie (you're not so old Sunshine) when they still had playgrounds in front of the screen which is also well respected is 'Tora Tora Tora'.

Watch 'History vs. Hollywood' on the History Channel and you can get some really good perspectives on some of these.

Not that I don't like most of the ones already mentioned -- just thought I'd throw some on the board that weren't named.

And Raph -- if you don't get Duke Wayne you just don't get the USA... not a charicature -- I grew up around men who were just like him.  The question stands to reason though -- was life imitating art?  who knows?
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..still had playgrounds...

and girls took a dime to call their Dad in case the boy tried anything stupid...

Oh, there's a serenity story in there now...
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Well, I really don't like war movies.  The only war movie I can say I'm glad I watched is Saving Private Ryan.  Even though I cried like a baby through the whole entire thing LOL.
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- "We were Soldiers"
- "M*A*S*H"
- "Catch 22"

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Yeah, definitely Glory...

And, um... Kelly's Hero's... talk about realism
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thanks everyone

LR it's not the bravado or machismo, but the delivery that just never worked for me
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I'm not gonna hitcha... I'm not gonna hitcha... Like HELL I'm not!!"   SMACK

Raph- How can you NOT love that???   lol
Or the fight scene in A Quiet Man where he and Wallace Beery fight throughout the entire town, stop at the pub abd then continue to fight...
Well.. I guess not every actor is for every viewer...

Another one I forgot, although it is more about one man's struggle than a war flick, is The Patriot with Mel Gibson.

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ringo classic line and i do love it, only thing is it was the same character in every movie and in the end it seemed like a caricature. i can understand his icon status, but never thought he was a great actor. like you say to each his own, i'm a Brando, Pacino, Duvalle kind of guy.
 
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