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Severn
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0 posted 03-01-2004 05:50 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

LORD OF THE RINGS ROCKS!!
PETER JACKSON ROCKS!!
FANTASY ROCKS!!

Liberal amounts of patriotic, cinematic pride pouring out everywhere...

ahem

that's all

(YAY)

K
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1 posted 03-01-2004 06:28 AM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

*s

M
(I agree)
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2 posted 03-01-2004 06:29 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I agree.


Perhaps, the wrong forum?
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And I think it probably put New Zealand on the top of a lot of people's vacation list. Amazing scenery! You have every right to be proud. The film is superbly done - congratulations on that SWEEP! Rings ranks up there with only 2 other movies with the most Oscars in one night!
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yep, 11 for 11. can't top perfection.
wrong forum?-no

congrats to your fellow countrymen patriotic one.

There is society where none intrudes, by the deep sea, and music in its roar.
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Uh, do we need to keep it entirely jovial and congratulatory? 'Cause I got a question.

Does it seem a little strange to anyone else that a movie can be considered that awesome and yet not win (or even be nominated for) a single award for acting?

p.s. I haven't seen the movie yet, and I'm sure many others haven't either, so let's avoid giving away too much?
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6 posted 03-01-2004 10:14 AM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

Actually, Ron, that's what you call the perfect "ensemble cast". All of the actors did such a fine job, that none of them stood out one above the others...
Well, that's MY story and I'm sticking to it.
lol

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As much as I absolutely love the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy, I've never recognized any of the movies as "Oscar-caliber", with the exception of the score, direction and visual arts.

I can't help but find "The Return of the King" overrated when seeing it actually win Best Picture. In fact, I don't think it should have gotten nominated either. I would have preferred "Mystic River" as a should-have-been winner, and I think "Big Fish" should have gotten nominated.



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I've gotta agree with Ringo on the actor's thing.. and I was glad to see LOTR finally win all it deserved

Oh, make me Thine forever
And should I fainting be
Lord, let me never ever
Outlive my love for Thee

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9 posted 03-01-2004 01:42 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Ron - whisper - ensemble cast. Note, it won the award for ensemble cast at the Bafta's...as far I as I know (and I could be wrong) given that the cast was classified as an ensemble cast it didn't 'qualify' for acting nominations at the Oscars? I have to say Ian McKellen was excellent as Gandalf, and could have had a supporting actor nomination (if I could only figure who it was he supported lol). At any rate, I don't care...I don't care one bit really...still tickled...

heh

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10 posted 03-01-2004 02:25 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I just wanted to pop in to thank Kamla.

By my calculations, she is one of the few people in New Zealand that didn't receive that acknowledgement last night.



(and I haven't yet seen the movie either--I was going to take my kids, but they want to finish reading the books first--grin---can't imagine where they got that from. )
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And now that I've had a cup of coffee, I'll address Ronnie Baby's question.

I thought it a little odd too, but I happen to have the advantage of living with a future filmmaker. (my son) He sees this as just another indication of the times. He dreams of making films without actors at all. (His attitude is rather much like Frank Zappa, who considered musicians a necessary nuisance.) He sees yesterdays sweep by Lord of the Rings a confirmation that he is correct, too.

He told me once that actors will only be necessary for touring companies as a source of amusement--staging plays that mimic the animated themes and characters.

(He said this rubbing his hands gleefully, laughing more than a little maniacally too. "We're taking OVER!" said he.)

I'm not sure if he's right, or even how I feel about it. But he assured me, "Don't worry, Mom, you're a writer--the world is always going to love a good story!"

sigh...now he wants a "green" screen too. And I wish those boys would keep their cameras off when they visit my house too. They've turned my home into a reality show. (I've already caught them videotaping my cupboards, giggling with glee at the offbrand names on some of the products there--and? they call my husband "Generic George".)

sheesh.
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quote:
but they want to finish reading the books first
it's been my experience (repeatedly) that if you want to have even a chance at appreciating a movie that's been based on a book, don't read the book until after seeing the film - the book will be better (by FAR) 99.999999999999999% of the time, which means if you read the book first, you'll invariably end up disappointed by the movie.

LOTR, by the by, fits into that infintesimal 0.000000000000001%.
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13 posted 03-01-2004 04:19 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Hmm.

Not sure that I agree.

I became fascinated with adaptive screenplay writing after Forrest Gump. But then, I look so hard at the mechanics of the thing, that perhaps I'm in a minority there. Dunno.

Sometimes I'm more fascinated with the process than I am with the product.
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14 posted 03-01-2004 06:32 PM       View Profile for Jamie   Email Jamie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jamie's Home Page   View IP for Jamie

Lessons on Winning and Losing

Dean Smith, former head coach of the University of North Carolina men's basketball team ( and the all-time winningest basketball coach in NCAA history ) offered the following examples in his book "The Carolina Way".

"One of our highly ranked teams, missing a starting player because of injury, was a decided underdog playing at Duke, which had a team ranked in the top five. We played a sensational game and won. The players were understandably excited near the end of the game. I called them over to our bench and told them, 'finish this off with class- shake their hands and congratulate them- and then we'll celebrate in the dressing room with the door closed.'"


"We played against one team who never had anything to say to us after we beat his team. Then, one night after they defeated us, he showed up in our locker room to talk to us and shake hands. When he finally left, I cleared the room of everyone but the players and said, 'now, that's exactly how you shouldn't act after winning. If we win the next time we play them, let's make a point to see if he comes to our locker room to congratulate us. He didn't.'"


Let's congratulate the effort that obviously went into the making of all the films, and wish the losers of the awards our best without disrespecting the winners and those that supported them.

J


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byron
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Ya know, Karen... I would have to say that Forrest Gump is one of the very few movies (perhaps the only) movie I liked better than the book. And watching how the book was transformed and seeing how the screenwriter made the decision on which parts to put in and to leave out was actually half of the movie.

As for the "reality show" your son is turning your house into... I only hope that my kids NEVER get that idea!!! lol

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built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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Jamie...scratching my head here.

I haven't seen any of the movies as of yet, so I sincerely hope anything I typed here wasn't taken as disrespect.

The beautiful thing about these awards is that I believe we all win.

I did think of Kamla though, as she has been telling me for a few years now how wonderful New Zealand is--it was nice to see her part of the world get that recognition.

And ringo? smile...I'm a big indulgent with the kids and their creative enterprises. It's well worth any potential for embarrassment--I've learned alot from them. These kids don't believe in limits and shrug off perceptions of failure. They are too busy having fun.

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I think the fact that there was SO much story to tell that it couldn't focus one ONE performer is the reason there were no acting nominations. From what I've heard of the rigorous filming schedule (back to back to back) the actors were NOT acting....they really became their characters!

I think there should be an Oscar for 'imagination'. Rings would have one that one too - hands down!
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18 posted 03-01-2004 11:24 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Kamla -- here here  

Haven't seen it yet either (but the first two yes  -- and big fan of the books back in the 70's)

Ron,

had this point of interest..

Heard an interview with Jackson in which he said when they were building the battle scenes they wanted each of the computer animated characters to have its own AI program so that it might look as real as possible...

It took them 2 years of dumbing down the program to get them to fight -- they kept running off the battlefield.

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Ringo - rotf...

I swear Gollum is real...no, truly. Gollum is real! He has to be right?

Karen...maniacal laughter in your household? NOOOOOOOOOOO....surely that's not possible...

~prod~

K
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Reb...all I can say is, thanks for sharing that.  

Little K...you've got a whole lot of reasons to be bouncing!

Serenity?  
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21 posted 03-03-2004 04:18 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I never expected this thread to be about LOTR: Return of the King's victory at the Oscar's. Thanks to Chris for letting me know.

some thoughts about the subject matter and of the replies....

~ To me, The Godfather movie was far superior than the book.

~ Andy Serkis should of been nominated and should of won the best supporting actor Oscar for his performance as Smeagle.

~ I seen all 5 of the films up for best picture and my ranking was this: LOTR: Return of the King (by far), Master & Commander, Lost In Translation, Mystic River & Sea Biscuit. I enjoyed all 5 movies, btw.

~ The LOTR is the best trilogy ever.

~ It is about damn time a fantasy film wins the best picture Oscar.
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22 posted 03-03-2004 04:35 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Nodding here.

The Godfather is another good example, O.

(and then there is "The Story of O"...)



Maybe a subject for Grok, tho, eh?

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23 posted 03-03-2004 04:40 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I concur, Serenity.

However, for some reason or another, I have a very difficult time logging onto the those forums. It normally takes forever, and I just give up.

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I read all the books years ago, and saw all the movies....more than once. LOL, yes, am a Tolkien fan. My daughter has also read and seen the trilogy multiple times, as have most of her friends.
The acting was superb, the casting was far and away the best overall ensemble I've seen. The sets were perfect, and brought Tolkien to life in 3D.
I didn't watch the awards show, but think any awards for acting would have to be given to the group as a whole.
The trilogy rocks. It is the first book/movie combo that does both entertainment forms justice.
 
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