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serenity blaze
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0 posted 2004-01-14 07:33 AM


Lately, I've been in the throes of an identity crisis. I thought maybe I wasn't the only one, so I thought I'd offer up this Jungian based personality test, designed to enlighten but which shall prolly only further confuse:

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp


Now--at last, you can reveal who you are within the confines of your chosen alias/pen names.

"Id's just little ole me--serenity!"



So--who are you?

(I am an INTP personality type--this HOUR.)

OH. I almost forgot--you can find a more indepth explanation of personality types at this site:
http://www.typelogic.com/



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1 posted 2004-01-14 08:30 AM


Your Type is
ISFJ
Introverted Sensing Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %  
56 22 22 1

Sounds like me... LOL

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2 posted 2004-01-14 08:39 AM


INTJ

but found this test years ago and a short book that went with it... intj fit me well..lol.

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.
INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand, they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even notice.

In the broadest terms, what INTJs "do" tends to be what they "know". Typical INTJ career choices are in the sciences and engineering, but they can be found wherever a combination of intellect and incisiveness are required (e.g., law, some areas of academia). INTJs can rise to management positions when they are willing to invest time in marketing their abilities as well as enhancing them, and (whether for the sake of ambition or the desire for privacy) many also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.

Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their robustness, stability, and good communications.

[This message has been edited by Cpat Hair (01-14-2004 11:28 AM).]

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3 posted 2004-01-14 08:58 AM


Took this test in October 1993 [do circumstances and situations change us all that much, serene one?  If so, I may need to take it again].

Ten years ago I was pigeonholed as ISTJ - Introverted Sensing with Thinking.  Interestingly enough, the group of people I worked with at that time were all tested at the same time.  Our little box was the one with the "most" people.

Another point of that long-ago testing procedure that all 28 people had to participate was situating themselves into a horseshoe in accordance with their test-group indicator.  Accordingly, the horseshoe curved from introverted to extroverted.

What was funny at THIS point, was that "most" folks thought [so much for thinking] that I was extroverted, and here I was, standing square in the introverted section.  [I work hard to break my shell!]

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4 posted 2004-01-14 09:01 AM


I too, took this test years ago--but I didn't know what it was and didn't care about the outcome.


"do circumstances and situations change us all that much?"

Somehow I think they should--don't you?



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5 posted 2004-01-14 09:32 AM


Your Type is
INFJ
Introverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %  
22 22 11 44

When I read this question:

You have difficulty understanding the notion
of "an approximate decision"

I literally thought, "What the hell does that mean?" LMAO  

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"Counselors have strong empathic abilities and can become aware of another's emotions or intentions -- good or evil -- even before that person is conscious of them. This "mind-reading" can take the form of feeling the hidden distress or illnesses of others to an extent which is difficult for other types to comprehend. Even Counselors can seldom tell how they came to penetrate others' feelings so keenly. Furthermore, the Counselor is most likely of all the types to demonstrate an ability to understand psychic phenomena and to have visions of human events, past, present, or future. What is known as ESP may well be exceptional intuitive ability-in both its forms, projection and introjection. Such supernormal intuition is found frequently in the Counselor, and can extend to people, things, and often events, taking the form of visions, episodes of foreknowledge, premonitions, auditory and visual images of things to come, as well as uncanny communications with certain individuals at a distance."

Oh my!!! Can't tell you how many times I have been told that I can read their mind...


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7 posted 2004-01-14 09:43 AM


*chuckle*

"episodes of foreknowledge, premonitions, auditory and visual images of things to come, as well as uncanny communications with certain individuals at a distance."
"

Then perhaps you could help out on this thread?

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Nobody pays attention to me--but it's okay, it's safer that way!


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8 posted 2004-01-14 09:48 AM


Now serene one, I think you already know the answer I'm going to give you ... it's just that others are never really ready for the changes one goes through.  Right?

I guess the rephrasing of that would be, "would the changes of time and situations alter who I am pegged to be - that much?"  [Heh...had to use the word "peg"... ]

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9 posted 2004-01-14 09:55 AM


LMAO....well, I am with you on that second reading...

reelected...simply because there will be no viable opponent and wish he hadn't...lol..should be interesting at the very least...

I tend to stay away from threads like that because if I am going to say anything at all it is going to be straight and most people get a little upset when I give it to them straight...

(and by the way...I always read what you have to say...)

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Took the test [figured after 10 years, it was time...]  so now? I'm
quote:
Your Type is
ISFJ
Introverted Sensing Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %  
56 11 22 22

(and...)

The primary desire of the Protector Guardian [ISFJ] is to be of service to others, but here “service” means not so much furnishing others with the necessities of life (the Provider’s concern), as guarding others against life’s pitfalls and perils, that is, seeing to their safety and security. There is a large proportion of Protectors in the population, perhaps as much as ten percent. And a good thing, because they are steadfast in their protecting, and seem fulfilled in the degree they can insure the safekeeping of those in their family, their circle of friends, or their place of business.

Protectors find great satisfaction in assisting the downtrodden and can deal with disability and neediness in others better than any other type. They go about their task of caretaking modestly, unassumingly, and because of this their efforts are not sometimes fully appreciated. They are not as outgoing and talkative as the Providers [ESFJs], except with close friends and relatives. With these they can chat tirelessly about the ups and downs in their lives, moving (like all the Guardians) from topic to topic as they talk over their everyday concerns. However, their shyness with strangers is often misjudged as stiffness, even coldness, when in truth these Protectors are warm-hearted and sympathetic, giving happily of themselves to those in need.

Their quietness ought really to be seen as an expression, not of coldness, but of their sincerity and seriousness of purpose. Like all the Guardians, ISFJs have a highly developed puritan work ethic, which tells them that work is good, and that play must be earned-if indulged in at all. The least hedonic of all types, Protectors are willing to work long, long hours doing all the thankless jobs the other types seem content to ignore. Thoroughness and frugality are also virtues for Protectors. When they undertake a task, they will complete it if at all humanly possible; and they know the value of material resources and abhor the squandering or misuse of these resources. Protectors are quite content to work alone; indeed, they may experience some discomfort when placed in positions of authority, and may try to do everything themselves rather than insist that others do their jobs.

With their extraordinary commitment to security, and with their unusual talent for executing routines, Protectors do well in many careers that have to do with conservation: curators, private secretaries, librarians, middle-managers, police officers, and especially general medical practitioners. To be sure, the hospital is a natural haven for them; it is home to the family doctor, preserver of life and limb, and to the registered nurse, or licensed practical nurse, truly the angels of mercy. The insurance industry is also a good fit for ISFJs. To save, to put something aside against an unpredictable future, to prepare for emergencies—these are important actions to Protectors, who as insurance agents want to see their clients in good hands, sheltered and protected.

There.  Won't ever have to explain my idiosyncracies again!     



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11 posted 2004-01-14 10:04 AM


Exactly!

As I've recently discovered, idealized perceptions of people do not alter who they actually are, but only further adds to our own disappointment when we have to admit to ourselves that in not knowing our "self" we can't know anyone else either.

In other words, people's perceptions of us are not our problem--we have enough to deal with coping with our perceptions of THEM.

Ouch.

I think I sprained something.



I am going to go read now.


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12 posted 2004-01-14 10:06 AM


Oh Karilea...I could have told you all that...  
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13 posted 2004-01-14 10:08 AM


I forgot to mention--Carl Young was an INTP personality too.

Now I'm wondering who tested Carl Jung?

Get me outta here!

giggle.

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14 posted 2004-01-14 10:14 AM


ISTJ. Meshed right in there with my Saturnine Capricorn capriciousness.
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Your Type is
INFJ
Introverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %  
44 67 22 33

quote:

Beneath the quiet exterior, INFJs hold deep convictions about the weightier matters of life. Those who are activists -- INFJs gravitate toward such a role -- are there for the cause, not for personal glory or political power.
INFJs are champions of the oppressed and downtrodden. They often are found in the wake of an emergency, rescuing those who are in acute distress. INFJs may fantasize about getting revenge on those who victimize the defenseless. The concept of 'poetic j ustice' is appealing to the INFJ.

"There's something rotten in Denmark." Accurately suspicious about others' motives, INFJs are not easily led. These are the people that you can rarely fool any of the time. Though affable and sympathetic to most, INFJs are selective about their friends . Such a friendship is a symbiotic bond that transcends mere words.

INFJs have a knack for fluency in language and facility in communication. In addition, nonverbal sensitivity enables the INFJ to know and be known by others intimately.

Writing, counseling, public service and even politics are areas where INFJs frequently find their niche.


Functional Analysis


Introverted iNtuition
Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of perception of inner, unconscious processes than all but their INTJ cousins. Just as SP types commune with the object and "live in the here and now" of the physical world, INFJs readily grasp the hidden psychological stimuli behind the more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, will and emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as prophets and seers. Unlike the confining, routinizing nature of introverted sensing, introverted intuition frees this type to act insightfully and spontaneously as unique solutions arise on an event by event basis.

Extraverted Feeling
Extraverted feeling, the auxiliary deciding function, expresses a range of emotion and opinions of, for and about people. INFJs, like many other FJ types, find themselves caught between the desire to express their wealth of feelings and moral conclusions about the actions and attitudes of others, and the awareness of the consequences of unbridled candor. Some vent the attending emotions in private, to trusted allies. Such confidants are chosen with care, for INFJs are well aware of the treachery that can reside in the hearts of mortals. This particular combination of introverted intuition and extraverted feeling provides INFJs with the raw material from which perceptive counselors are shaped.

Introverted Thinking
The INFJ's thinking is introverted, turned toward the subject. Perhaps it is when the INFJ's thinking function is operative that he is most aloof. A comrade might surmise that such detachment signals a disillusionment, that she has also been found lacking by the sardonic eye of this one who plumbs the depths of the human spirit. Experience suggests that such distancing is merely an indication that the seer is hard at work and focusing energy into this less efficient tertiary function.

Extraverted Sensing
INFJs are twice blessed with clarity of vision, both internal and external. Just as they possess inner vision which is drawn to the forms of the unconscious, they also have external sensing perception which readily takes hold of worldly objects. Sensing, however, is the weakest of the INFJ's arsenal and the most vulnerable. INFJs, like their fellow intuitives, may be so absorbed in intuitive perceiving that they become oblivious to physical reality. The INFJ under stress may fall prey to various forms of immediate gratification. Awareness of extraverted sensing is probably the source of the "SP wannabe" side of INFJs. Many yearn to live spontaneously; it's not uncommon for INFJ actors to take on an SP (often ESTP) role.
Famous INFJs:

Nathan, prophet of Israel
Aristophanes
Chaucer
Goethe
Robert Burns, Scottish poet
U.S. Presidents:


Martin Van Buren
James Earl "Jimmy" Carter

Nathaniel Hawthorne, author, poet
Fanny Crosby, (blind) hymnist
Mother Teresa of Calcutta
Fred McMurray (My Three Sons, various movies)
Shirley Temple Black, child actor, ambassador
Martin Luther King, Jr., civil rights leader, martyr
James Reston, newspaper reporter
Shirley McClain, actor (Sweet Charity, ...)
Piers Anthony, author ("Xanth" series)
Michael Landon, actor (Highway to Heaven, Little House on the Prairie)
Tom Selleck, actor (Magnum, P. I., Mr. Baseball)
Oprah Winfrey, talk show host
John Katz, critic, author
Paul Stookey, folk singer (Peter, Paul and Mary)
Angela Lansbury, actor (Murder, She Wrote)
U. S. Senator Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
Richard Gere, actor (Pretty Woman, Sommersby)
Billy Crystal, actor, comedian
Carrie Fisher, actor (Star Wars)

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Introverted iNtuiting Feeling Judging

by Marina Margaret Heiss
INFJs are distinguished by both their complexity of character and the unusual range and depth of their talents. Strongly humanitarian in outlook, INFJs tend to be idealists, and because of their J preference for closure and completion, they are generally "doers" as well as dreamers. This rare combination of vision and practicality often results in INFJs taking a disproportionate amount of responsibility in the various causes to which so many of them seem to be drawn.

INFJs are deeply concerned about their relations with individuals as well as the state of humanity at large. They are, in fact, sometimes mistaken for extroverts because they appear so outgoing and are so genuinely interested in people -- a product of the Feeling function they most readily show to the world. On the contrary, INFJs are true introverts, who can only be emotionally intimate and fulfilled with a chosen few from among their long-term friends, family, or obvious "soul mates." While instinctively courting the personal and organizational demands continually made upon them by others, at intervals INFJs will suddenly withdraw into themselves, sometimes shutting out even their intimates. This apparent paradox is a necessary escape valve for them, providing both time to rebuild their depleted resources and a filter to prevent the emotional overload to which they are so susceptible as inherent "givers." As a pattern of behavior, it is perhaps the most confusing aspect of the enigmatic INFJ character to outsiders, and hence the most often misunderstood -- particularly by those who have little experience with this rare type.

Due in part to the unique perspective produced by this alternation between detachment and involvement in the lives of the people around them, INFJs may well have the clearest insights of all the types into the motivations of others, for good and for evil. The most important contributing factor to this uncanny gift, however, are the empathic abilities often found in Fs, which seem to be especially heightened in the INFJ type (possibly by the dominance of the introverted N function).

This empathy can serve as a classic example of the two-edged nature of certain INFJ talents, as it can be strong enough to cause discomfort or pain in negative or stressful situations. More explicit inner conflicts are also not uncommon in INFJs; it is possible to speculate that the causes for some of these may lie in the specific combinations of preferences which define this complex type. For instance, there can sometimes be a "tug-of-war" between NF vision and idealism and the J practicality that urges compromise for the sake of achieving the highest priority goals. And the I and J combination, while perhaps enhancing self-awareness, may make it difficult for INFJs to articulate their deepest and most convoluted feelings.

Usually self-expression comes more easily to INFJs on paper, as they tend to have strong writing skills. Since in addition they often possess a strong personal charisma, INFJs are generally well-suited to the "inspirational" professions such as teaching (especially in higher education) and religious leadership. Psychology and counseling are other obvious choices, but overall, INFJs can be exceptionally difficult to pigeonhole by their career paths. Perhaps the best example of this occurs in the technical fields. Many INFJs perceive themselves at a disadvantage when dealing with the mystique and formality of "hard logic", and in academic terms this may cause a tendency to gravitate towards the liberal arts rather than the sciences. However, the significant minority of INFJs who do pursue studies and careers in the latter areas tend to be as successful as their T counterparts, as it is *iNtuition* -- the dominant function for the INFJ type -- which governs the ability to understand abstract theory and implement it creatively.

In their own way, INFJs are just as much "systems builders" as are INTJs; the difference lies in that most INFJ "systems" are founded on human beings and human values, rather than information and technology. Their systems may for these reasons be conceptually "blurrier" than analogous NT ones, harder to measure in strict numerical terms, and easier to take for granted -- yet it is these same underlying reasons which make the resulting contributions to society so vital and profound.


Copyright © 1996-2003 by Marina Margaret Heiss and Joe Butt

Type Relationships for INFJs:
Identity Pal Complement Contrast
Supplement Anima Suitemate Cohort
Companion Tribesman Advisor Pedagogue
Enigma Novelty Neighbor Counterpart



There! Now you know me as well as I know me!

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16 posted 2004-01-14 10:31 AM


Oh, my. *G* You wanna talk introvert? *G* Jes' call me hermit. *G*

ISFJ... strength of preferences 89 44 44 33

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You're right, Susan.  I should have asked you first and saved the time it took in taking the test!  When will I ever learn?  
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So can we start a dating service based on this?
INFJ looking for IFJN with a small bit of IFJS? (whatever that is! LOL)


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19 posted 2004-01-14 11:28 AM


I forgot to mention, strength of preferences regarding my results--under thinking? I got a one--I am so startled by that revelation I have forgotten the rest.

Sheesh.


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20 posted 2004-01-14 11:54 AM


I demand that you retake that test!  
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21 posted 2004-01-14 12:15 PM


ENTJ

"If this grand panorama before me is what you call God...then God is not dead."

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22 posted 2004-01-14 12:21 PM


Ah, Karen?  Was that a ONE in thinking???

wow...

What Karilea said....

"sit on top of the world and tell me how you feel...'cause what you feel is what I feel for you.."
~Dido~

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23 posted 2004-01-14 12:28 PM


I  N  F  P
89 44 11 44

wow
it makes
lazy alcoholic slob
sound pretty good

grin

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24 posted 2004-01-14 12:32 PM


Okay...seriously...why is everyone getting such high numbers?  

Mine where low...does this make me a fence sitter?  Indecisive?  Uncommitted?  

eeek..

"sit on top of the world and tell me how you feel...'cause what you feel is what I feel for you.."
~Dido~

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25 posted 2004-01-14 01:01 PM


HEY BRI!!! your code was the same as mine! LOL, are we twin spirits?
mine was:
I 44, N 56, F 33, P22

Does it mean I'll win if I play BINGO?????
LOL, I took it a second time and got ISFP
numbers were 56,1,33,22  (a moment of midnitesun moodiness maybe?)

Don't know what it all means, no time to read today. DANG, hope I didn't reveal too much, as I rather enjoy a bit of mystery attached to my persona.

be back after disgusting household CHORES

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Yay! Here is mine!



INFP
Introverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving

Strength of the preferences %
11 33 56 33

* slightly expressed introvert
* moderately expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed feeling personality
* moderately expressed perceiving personality


"Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving
by Joe Butt

Profile: INFP
Revision: 2.4
Date of Revision: 20 Jul 03
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"I remember the first albatross I ever saw. ... At intervals, it arched forth its vast archangel wings, as if to embrace some holy ark. Wondrous flutterings and throbbings shook it. Though bodily unharmed, it uttered cries, as some king's ghost in super natural distress. Through its inexpressible, strange eyes, methought I peeped to secrets not below the heavens. As Abraham before the angels, I bowed myself..." --(Herman Melville, Moby Dick)

INFPs never seem to lose their sense of wonder. One might say they see life through rose-colored glasses. It's as though they live at the edge of a looking-glass world where mundane objects come to life, where flora and fauna take on near-human qualitie s.

INFP children often exhibit this in a 'Calvin and Hobbes' fashion, switching from reality to fantasy and back again. With few exceptions, it is the NF child who readily develops imaginary playmates (as with Anne of Green Gables's "bookcase girlfriend"--h er own reflection) and whose stuffed animals come to life like the Velveteen Rabbit and the Skin Horse:

"...Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand..." (the Skin Horse)

INFPs have the ability to see good in almost anyone or anything. Even for the most unlovable the INFP is wont to have pity.

Rest you, my enemy,
Slain without fault,
Life smacks but tastelessly
Lacking your salt!
Stuck in a bog whence naught
May catapult me,
Come from the grave, long-sought,
Come and insult me!."
--(Steven Vincent Benet, Elegy for an Enemy)

Their extreme depth of feeling is often hidden, even from themselves, until circumstances evoke an impassioned response:

"I say, Queequeg! Why don't you speak? It's I--Ishmael." But all remained still as before. ... Something must have happened. Apoplexy!
... And running up after me, she caught me as I was again trying to force open the door. ... "Have to burst it open," said I, and was running down the entry a little, for a good start, when the landlady caught me, again vowing I should not break down her premises; but I tore from her, and with a sudden bodily rush dashed myself full against the mark."--(Melville, Moby Dick)

Of course, not all of life is rosy, and INFPs are not exempt from the same disappointments and frustrations common to humanity. As INTPs tend to have a sense of failed competence, INFPs struggle with the issue of their own ethical perfection, e.g., perfo rmance of duty for the greater cause. An INFP friend describes the inner conflict as not good versus bad, but on a grand scale, Good vs. Evil. Luke Skywalker in Star Wars depicts this conflict in his struggle between the two sides of "The Force." Although the dark side must be reckoned with, the INFP believes that good ultimately triumphs.

Some INFPs have a gift for taking technical information and putting it into layman's terms. Brendan Kehoe's Zen and the Art of the Internet is one example of this "de-jargoning" talent in action.

Functional Analysis

INFPs live primarily in a rich inner world of introverted Feeling. Being inward-turning, the natural attraction is away from world and toward essence and ideal. This introversion of dominant Feeling, receiving its data from extraverted intuition, must be the source of the quixotic nature of these usually gentle beings. Feeling is caught in the approach- avoidance bind between concern both for people and for All Creatures Great and Small, and a psycho-magnetic repulsion from the same. The "object," be it homo sapiens or a mere representation of an organism, is valued only to the degree that the object contains some measure of the inner Essence or greater Good. Doing a good deed, for example, may provide intrinsic satisfaction which is only secondary to the greater good of striking a blow against Man's Inhumanity to Mankind.

Extraverted intuition faces outward, greeting the world on behalf of Feeling. What the observer usually sees is creativity with implied good will. Intuition spawns this type's philosophical bent and strengthens pattern perception. It combines as auxiliary with introverted Feeling and gives rise to unusual skill in both character development and fluency with language--a sound basis for the development of literary facility. If INTPs aspire to word mechanics, INFPs would be verbal artists.

Sensing is introverted and often invisible. This stealth function in the third position gives INFPs a natural inclination toward absent- mindedness and other-worldliness, however, Feeling's strong people awareness provides a balancing, mitigating effect. This introverted Sensing is somewhat categorical, a subdued version of SJ sensing. In the third position, however, it is easily overridden by the stronger functions.

The INFP may turn to inferior extraverted Thinking for help in focusing on externals and for closure. INFPs can even masquerade in their ESTJ business suit, but not without expending considerable energy. The inferior, problematic nature of Extraverted Thinking is its lack of context and proportion. Single impersonal facts may loom large or attain higher priority than more salient principles which are all but overlooked.

Famous INFPs:

Homer
Virgil
Mary, mother of Jesus
St. John, the beloved disciple
St. Luke; physician, disciple, author
William Shakespeare, bard of Avon
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (Evangeline)
A. A. Milne (Winnie the Pooh)
Laura Ingalls Wilder (Little House on the Prairie)
Helen Keller, deaf and blind author
Carl Rogers, reflective psychologist, counselor
Fred Rogers (Mister Rogers' Neighborhood)
Dick Clark (American Bandstand)
Donna Reed, actor (It's a Wonderful Life)
Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis
Neil Diamond, vocalist
Tom Brokaw, news anchor
James Herriot (All Creatures Great and Small)
Annie Dillard (Pilgrim at Tinker Creek)
James Taylor, vocalist
Julia Roberts, actor (Conspiracy Theory, Pretty Woman) Scott Bakula (Quantum Leap)
Terri Gross (PBS's "Fresh Air")
Amy Tan (author of The Joy-Luck Club, The Kitchen God's Wife)
John F. Kennedy, Jr.
Lisa Kudrow ("Phoebe" of Friends)
Fred Savage ("The Wonder Years")

Fictional INFPs:
Anne (Anne of Green Gables))
Calvin (Calvin and Hobbes)
Deanna Troi (Star Trek - The Next Generation)
Wesley Crusher (Star Trek - The Next Generation)
Doctor Julian Bashir (Star Trek: Deep Space 9)
Bastian (The Neverending Story)
E.T.: the ExtraTerrestrial
Doug Funny, Doug cartoons
Tommy, Rug Rats cartoons
Rocko, Rocko's Modern Life cartoons"





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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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(giggles) Just had to add I knew I had to have been of the same heart as Fred Savage and Rocko! Still can hum that theme song, with that B-52's nostalgia in the surf guitar and that familiar cowbell voice!

"Rocko's modern life...

Rocko's Modern Life!

Doo, doo, doo, doo-doo!"


Hehehe!



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Famous INFPs:

Homer
Virgil
Mary, mother of Jesus

When did they take the test?


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29 posted 2004-01-14 01:50 PM


giggles with Susan--

gotta love the designation of the fictional characters too--how subjective is that???


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30 posted 2004-01-14 01:52 PM


while god was in diapers....
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31 posted 2004-01-14 01:55 PM


which leads to the question--who diapered God?

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHiggle...sputter-wink

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32 posted 2004-01-14 01:58 PM


Did it matter, at that point, if God was diapered?

And what kind of Jung questions was Mary asked?

"Do you see yourself Mothering the Messiah?"

That can't bode well for introversion...

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33 posted 2004-01-14 01:59 PM


God was diapered by his mother Gae, who stepped outside of time many many eons ago to be formed of nothing and everything.
She is now lost to memory for most and herself was born of the first light...
before there was man, or thought, or logic,
hers was the first thought


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34 posted 2004-01-14 02:05 PM


"interesting..."

serenity nods.

"go on..."




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35 posted 2004-01-14 02:08 PM


Serenity, this just keeps getting better 'n better!

Susan..don't worry about the numbers m'dear...watch the stories unfold!!!

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36 posted 2004-01-14 02:09 PM


Hrm....if diapered, who would know best how to pin it? The obvious answer was caught in the back of Ron's van!
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37 posted 2004-01-14 02:10 PM


I could you know... lol... and explain how it was that god became personified as a man..and that jesus was a man... and his mother..a mere human woman, but elevated through immaculate lust and conception by god to carry a "savior"

it was all written by Emadius as translations from ancient Sumeria were unearthed in the year 2090 AD right after the last War for Oil was fought.


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38 posted 2004-01-14 02:13 PM


YES--and now, now we're talkin' archetypes!


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39 posted 2004-01-14 02:33 PM


Really??? what are those???

Gae grew tired and wished for another like herself to speak to and thought of this only long enough to form the idea of others. Once the idea was complete she formed an image to wear and one for the others that resembled her, but did not match her for beauty.

Completed thoughts became solid as she willed and God was born.
Gae had no way relativity to judge from or by and found god, her son, to be small and in need of constant thought to survive. If she forgot to think of him for very long he would wane in and out of anything solid until she had strengthened him with her own will. ( he, him, and other male designations are used only for clarity to the reader)

In time he grew stronger and was able to will himself into existance without the constant feeding by Gae.

many eons passed with each speaking to the other and willing into existance many small miracles of energy. Yet, in time, god willed into existance a group of entities created in the image of gae, but played only at their construction leaving many a weakness and great fragility. He called these entities his children and placed them into a small corner of the whole called universe.

In time, these entities, who would be entertained by god from time to time, became jealous of the stories he told of Gae. Gae, would not after all entertain them as god did, and added nothing to the nurturing of such a mistake as they were that might encourage god to continue his childish games.
In the end, as god had explained he was born of gae, they called her a woman, and all women were then of gae, while men were of god and much superior....


it goes on and on.. and on and on..
yet the Sumerians had a knack for telling long stories which sometimes were found to be only the tales of a drunken scribe who indulged in too much wine, so much of the story is discounted as fabrication.... but there were at least 7 accounts of the same story found in different locations and they are considered to be reliable... not to mention true..

if you have a hard time finding the book.. let me know. there are not too many copies available yet as it has not even been printed... I might be persuaded to part with my copy or at least send you the shadow of where it will be and you can read between the greys to see what an impressive telling it is.


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40 posted 2004-01-14 02:40 PM


smiles.

Copies of the book abound--as you know--it's the original that is the elusive holy grail.




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Raising hand...LOL...

Truly, I find it very interesting, all of it, but the first person that book should be loaned to is Serenity...just because it will give her a smile.

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42 posted 2004-01-14 02:50 PM


the original she seeks or the one by emadius?

I have a copy of the original somewhere in the basement, packed carefully with two bags of marbles and a half box of ten year old twinkies ( only there to age as everyone knows the half life of a  twinkie is 238 years) last time I consulted the book it reminded me of how dangerous it was to have absolute truths.. so I packed it away again and may someday send it back to gae..
soon as I find her new address, I understand she moved about the turn of the 19th century in search of someplace not quite so prone to the smokes of industrial cities. She forwarded me her address and I placed it next to the copy of Understanding Alexander the Great in 6 easy steps. But, the cats may have eaten it during the feb ice storm of a few years ago..as they were on an all fiber dies at the time and I was not always there to shred newspaper for them, so they became quite the scavengers. Addresses, magazines, important proclamations all just vanished into the maws of felines hungry for fiber...


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43 posted 2004-01-14 02:54 PM


Cap?

We still have hope.

Cats are known for having such short digestive tracts, that usually their meals are only partially digested upon expulsion.

That said--we need a volunteer to search for clues--anybody?


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44 posted 2004-01-14 03:00 PM


Not to worry ser... I began the search for the clues immediately upon finding out the cats were involved..I knew then I would have to search through a lot of poop to find even a clue. I don't mind such a dirty job in fact..it in part allows me a great deal of privacy..as no one is too keen on being around a poop sifter like me.

Still hope? now there is a statement to question..for hope is a construct of us... the playthings of god.. and may in part be only a deception propogated by his capricious nature

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45 posted 2004-01-14 03:06 PM


Yep. Still hope.



but you know that.

(and btw, did you take that test again, or did you rely on old results?)

I am glad you are back m'friend..

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46 posted 2004-01-14 03:13 PM


I took the test again... very strongly introverted.. and borderline on the t and f
pretty strong on the N and the J was moderate.

part of the issue is, of course, that I to some degree know what the answers are leading to as I made a study of the test and the book please understand me. Without a new series of questions and one more carefully worded to eliminate my propensity to self fullfill the  results..it is only a partial measurement of my personality type.

INTJ's by the way... are also called masterminds..LMAO... I'd do good to master my own mind.. or a part of it ..


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47 posted 2004-01-14 03:19 PM


Yawp.

I agree.

The thing is, there is no number, no pigeon-hole to define us.

I really like that about the psyche too.

Thanks all for helping me on ONE morning's journey.


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48 posted 2004-01-14 03:23 PM


My head hurts....

and Ron is responsible...

"sit on top of the world and tell me how you feel...'cause what you feel is what I feel for you.."
~Dido~

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49 posted 2004-01-14 03:25 PM


no.. no number or pigeon hole to define us completely, but an understanding of our own and others nature does foster a better grasp on the "why" of people and of ourself. To dismiss jung and his constructs is possible, just as it is to dismiss Freud for his sonclusions, yet it is not wise for us to dismiss any search for understanding. In all the few books I have read and studied over the decades..I have found something to aid in putting a perspective around the human condition or my own. No one book..and no one truth... absolutes are as dangerous to freedom and to freedom of thought as are preconcieved ideas and prejudice. I would not be told, but be taught to teach myself...

and with that..lol

I will finally shut up... and go away again..



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Get yourself back in here!!!

Susan, here are two Tylenol.  You'll feel better if you just keep reading!

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51 posted 2004-01-14 03:29 PM


It's all right Susan... it is like eating ice cream.. too big a bite you get brain freeze from the cold... lol..
and.. like ice cream what I wrote was pure confection... with a bit of color and some flavoring. there are calories in it and it can actualy lead to heaviness.. so I'd advise a strict diet that did not include such dishes as I served here..



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52 posted 2004-01-14 03:32 PM


Sunshine... there you go..ordering me around again..LOL.. you know you are supposed to save that for later...lmao..


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As I said to you earlier, Ron...pish!

As for the brain freeze...exactly...you know I am like a little girl...some things I just don't get...but I get excited at the thought that I might...hence, the brain freeze...

The Capt knows me too well..

"sit on top of the world and tell me how you feel...'cause what you feel is what I feel for you.."
~Dido~

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54 posted 2004-01-14 03:37 PM


Susan and Sunshine?

We'll lock arms, we can take this guy...

rofl...

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55 posted 2004-01-14 03:39 PM


LOL....

yes...but is he ready for us?

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56 posted 2004-01-14 03:40 PM


Susan..I never doubted you could or would get the rambling story, but do know you take larger bites than you should sometimes in order to let it all sink in without giving yourself a good dose of brain freeze...
no one should think I was putting you down or saying you would not get it...

it by the way.. is just confection.. so there is no value or importance to "it"

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57 posted 2004-01-14 03:43 PM


Ser... take this guy? indeed have I threatened or in any way acted intimidating towards the three of you? My my..seems a defensive statement..or one might say an agressive comment... to incite the ganging up on one dumb old country boy....

by the way..where are you all takin me?

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Oh good lord...

I don't think anyone implied such...

and don't try to down play your babblings...

you know I think your special...

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59 posted 2004-01-14 03:46 PM


my babblings..hold a modicum of sarcasm and grains fo truth... but truths are relative when it comes to theology or even psychology to some degree... so they are confections... these ramblings.. many words ( calories) without much or any nutrients ( meanings)


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60 posted 2004-01-14 03:46 PM


"by the way..where are you all takin me? "

I dunno.

Where d'y'wanna go?

I'm obviously open to suggestion.





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61 posted 2004-01-14 03:49 PM


I've heard that about you Ser... LOL

perhaps the power of suggestion is a good topic of discussion sometime....
as for a suggestion as to where to go..perhaps we could all go down to the market.. find a quiet table and a cup of coffee.. and see which of the shy wriggled first in their chair..or had to look away rather than in someone's eyes..because of fear the others might see what truly lay there...

lol...

I miss New Orleans... and would wander her streets again....

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62 posted 2004-01-14 03:52 PM


oh Ron....do I look away?
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63 posted 2004-01-14 03:57 PM


LOL.... Susan... I do...


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I was being a lady..and not going to mention.
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LOL....  indeed...


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NEXT? Who next wants to stare me down or see me blink??lmao...
I admit I look away... not wanting people to see what is in my eyes..afraid they will see more than I want them to.... or afraid they will not like what they see....

susan wins the teddy bear... but we still have a stuffed turtle and a plastic fish.. so step right up and take your chance...it's only a quarter to play..one thin american quarter... hurry hurry step right up...

how bout you?


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67 posted 2004-01-14 04:12 PM


sigh.

stuffed turtles are slower than the real thing and twice as maddening--and plastic fish float.

sheesh.

it's all good, Cap...


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68 posted 2004-01-14 04:17 PM


Ah..then young lady... for you since you obviously don't care for the turtle or the fish.we have a leather bound edition of the 23rd printing of "How to recognize a fool in 3 easy lessons" while the reading is not a challenge for you, the actual uses are plentiful...  you can stack it, or pile it, ue it for a doorstop, stand on it, balance it, or even make it into a very modern lampshade with the included instructions from Martha Stewart with an excerpt from her new book martha plays at Tao


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69 posted 2004-01-14 04:29 PM


and now I'm hungry...

wanna split a muffaletta down at the quarter grocery?



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70 posted 2004-01-14 04:35 PM


you bet! with a cuppa chicory coffee and then we'll go have bloodies on bourbon, but not stay long.. I'd like to watch the river a while.. and let her soak again into my skin..that lady never lets go..


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I have the first edition of 'how to recognize a fool'...it's dedicated to me.

"To Sharon. The fool who inspired this work. Without her foolish ways none of this research would have been possible. She will rank amongst the great fools of the ages: Adam - Hercules - Marie Antoinette - Catherine the Great - Mrs. George Washington - Annie Oakley - Eliza Frompel - Toyko Rose - Dinah Shore - Sally  Field - Hillary Clinton - Michael Jackson - Ivana Trump - Paris Hilton."

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72 posted 2004-01-14 05:05 PM


LOL.. Sharon!!! telling such stories..we all know the first edition was dedicated to none other than Wilbur and Orville Wright...

to two fools who thaought they could fly and had no idea that they were creating another reason for people to stand in line...


we know you aren't a fool....


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Linking arms with Susan and Serenity...


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Your Type is
INFJ
Introverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %  
100 44 11 1

I...don't get it.

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Wilbur and Orville are in the SECOND edition....as the men that started the craze for the phrase "coffee, tea or ME". LOL
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76 posted 2004-01-14 05:40 PM


was that the second edition??? I would have sworn it was the first...
well.. then the first had to be dedicated to Freud..for deciding that women envied the equipment men had...
why in the world would any woman envy a man's tool belt?


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77 posted 2004-01-14 05:45 PM


Meg... the personality type is categorized and explained in a link on the page...
INFJ... and obviosly very introverted
strongly intuitive and then more a balance on the rest.
Jung theorized that the human population fell into types..when it came to personalities. He devised a method to test and put people into the proper type group, which helped them understand themselves and understand people around them better.

here... read the description for an INFJ..and see if it makes sense to who you think or know you are.


INFJ... description
Beneath the quiet exterior, INFJs hold deep convictions about the weightier matters of life. Those who are activists -- INFJs gravitate toward such a role -- are there for the cause, not for personal glory or political power.
INFJs are champions of the oppressed and downtrodden. They often are found in the wake of an emergency, rescuing those who are in acute distress. INFJs may fantasize about getting revenge on those who victimize the defenseless. The concept of 'poetic j ustice' is appealing to the INFJ.

"There's something rotten in Denmark." Accurately suspicious about others' motives, INFJs are not easily led. These are the people that you can rarely fool any of the time. Though affable and sympathetic to most, INFJs are selective about their friends . Such a friendship is a symbiotic bond that transcends mere words.

INFJs have a knack for fluency in language and facility in communication. In addition, nonverbal sensitivity enables the INFJ to know and be known by others intimately.

Writing, counseling, public service and even politics are areas where INFJs frequently find their niche.


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Kaoru: Bless you. *G* I humbly yield the introverted crown to you. *S*
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Serenity,

Boy, that was boring. I'm kind of this way, kind of that way. Gee. I already knew that.

Face it, Jung is boring.

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80 posted 2004-01-15 11:20 AM


LOL. Brad.. Jung is boring? Then Freud was certain to put to sleep the most stoic of readers or thinkers...


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81 posted 2004-01-15 11:47 AM


giggles...

Brad? I believe that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me!



but yanno? It's true, I have this secret identity--I sit here in my robe with rawhide bones in the pockets (for the puppy who prefers to chew on my books) horned-rimmed bi-focals and textbooks scattered everywhere...

For real fun tho, I've got a copy of The Oxford History of the Biblical World to munch on tonight.

(rubbing my hands together gleefully)

ooooooooooh

party party party...



Don't tell anyone tho--you'll ruin my reputation.


"Who am I?"

Oh who the hell cares?

yer absolutely right Brad.




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82 posted 2004-01-15 11:55 AM


An insatiable appetite for intellectual stimulation?

hmmmm...

I prefer another kind...

Why?

Because all I have to remember is a name..

"sit on top of the world and tell me how you feel...'cause what you feel is what I feel for you.."
~Dido~

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83 posted 2004-01-15 11:59 AM


Susan?

I was never good at names.

"What was your name again?"

Oh...that's right.





(I'm retired now.)


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ISFP
67,22,33,22

and it changes every time I take it.  Perpetually confused--->me

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I  N  T  P
67 22 44 33

Rick Moranis, Tiger Woods, Filbert?

FILBERT?!?

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Oh no, I think I failed Jung!    
E       S        T         J
52     1        44        4
*pouting, she takes her unfeeling self to a corner to sulk*


Qualitative analysis of your type formula
You are:

moderately expressed extrovert
slightly expressed sensing personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed judging personality
  http://keirsey.com/personality/sjet.html

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87 posted 2004-01-16 05:19 AM


INTJ hmmmmmm...I seem to rememember being an INTP about 10 years ago.........maybe a differant test...maybe a differant me...maybe just the seagrams.

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88 posted 2004-01-16 06:37 PM


I am intorverted.. but that description made me seem a lot better than I really am. hehe
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89 posted 2004-01-16 07:01 PM


Meg... probably only to you does it sound like that..

there is a whole lot more about the personality type you can go read.. I just got the top of the whole thread.


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