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PoeticJustice
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125 posted 12-14-2002 04:56 AM       View Profile for PoeticJustice   Email PoeticJustice   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoeticJustice

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If an entire society says that it's not selfish, then, by definition, isn't it no longer selfish? It would seem to me that if a mass majority agrees that a rose is a rose, then, well, it's a rose.


So by that reasoning, Copernicus was wrong about the world revolving around the sun, and not vicer versa, because the church said he was?

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Incredibly good? So let me see  - this is from your perspective, right? - you must come from a wealthy family who cared for you and was kind and loving at all times, with no drama, no skeletons… you must have had a beautiful childhood…


Err, I don't think I've said this anywhere..

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To sacrifice yourself for something you value is noble indeed. To do it in such a mindless fashion is close to slavery.


That's not what I'm talking about and you know it. I'm saying we here fret over every little thing in our lives. We make such a big deal out of every little thing. But do we make a big deal about all the pain and suffering in the world? No. I'm not saying sacrifice yourself, I'm saying help out at least a little. If all of this countries 300-350 million people contributed just a little, even if you omit the lower class, that's still quite a bit of help going over to them.

quote:
'm still waiting for your calculations showing which human lives are more valuable than others.


Huh?

quote:
I cut out your reasoning because it becomes moot at this point. If human life has no value, then what does it matter if thirty people die here while hundreds die elsewhere? The concept of selfishness no longer matters once you claim that there is no value in that which you are suggesting should be saved. But if you maintain your tenet of selfishness, then life has meaning, has value, and I have to ask once more what you determine that value to be.


Alright. My personality type is thinking and feeling. I'm very torn when it comes to this. Logically, we're a pox upon this earth and have done more damage to it than anything else ever has. So we have little or no value, and it would be better for everything else on this earth if we didn't exist.
But on the other hand, we are progressing and maybe someday we'll atone for our sins and fix things as best as we can. And maybe we really were ignorant all those years.

quote:
Firstly, simply because you are a member of a race does not discount you from racism


It actually does. I can call my friends "crackers" or "honkeys" and they call it to me back and we all laugh about it. But if someone who is not white calls us that we are offended. Unless he/she is a friend too.

quote:
To declaim an entire race as "something" bypasses individuality and jumps right on into the very racism you're declaiming. A person is a person, white, purple, black or green - it doesn't
matter. What you're suggesting isn't something you can attribute to a color (because that would imply that white people are cruel because of their color, which would be an ignorant statement), rather, you can attribute it to a balance of power.


I should clarify. Historically, the white race has done more evil than any other race. More than all the other races combined, I believe. It is because of whites that certain countries are as messed up as they are now. It is because of whites that many Native American tribes have been completely wiped out, like the Arawaks.

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I believe that true evil comes as a result of ignorance


I think it's fear.

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But let me ask you this: when was the last time an African came up to you and told you of his/her situation and asked you for help?


When was the last time you saw someone who lives in Africa travel here? They don't have the means to communicate or come to us.

quote:
Really? Ask my sister how petty working a full-time job and going to school full-time is. Warn you though, better duck, she might not be too happy about it. And of course it's petty that my 10-month-old nephew is in pain and doesn't understand what's happening to him.


Objectively, it is petty. To the person it's happening to it is not. Like I said, emotions cloud our judgement. I can't say things like this about a person I know in person because I sense the good in them. I can't say that the world would be a better place without my parents or my friends.

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I understand what you're trying to do here, Poetic Justice - it's the "good of the few vs. the good of the many" scenario.


It's more of a "make people open their eyes" scenario. You can't learn anything radically new to you if your views aren't challenged.

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Once we start feeding them all our excess, what happens when we have dry times? What happens when they become adjusted to our help - so much so that they grow to depend on us like children, unable to fend for themselves because we've debilitated their drive for survival with consistent handouts?


I call it fixing what we broke. It's our fault(I mean our as in our countries, not necesarilly ours personally) that they're messed up like that.

quote:
I take it you've never been around babies? There is nothing on the face of this planet more selfish than a baby. It exists solely to take - food, attention, care, etc.


Isn't that what I said?

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Besides, I see virtually no tolerance in anything I've read from you so far.


I don't see any intolerance in what I've said. I see challenges to widely accepted beliefs, but I don't believe I've come out and said "you're wrong", "my opinion is law", or "I can't stand to be here with your wrong opinions, go away".

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Show me proof.  It's preposterous to think you can lay a national fear at one man's feet. I'm not justifying or denying the perceived threat, but I will deny that it could have come from one person.


It's widely accepted that Wilson started the red fever... He started the propoganda and denounced Hellen Keller, who was a socialist. I bet a lot of you didn't know that

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What I disagree with is your implication that Communism would be the ultimate way to go.


I said it'd be the ultimate way to go if there was no human factor.

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Peace is a farce and the bread of a stagnant society. Without the input of strife (whether in the form of personal or national) we would have no reason to advance.


I totally agree with you, but the strife shouldn't be against people who are trying to get mini nukes to suicide bomb with or people who crash planes into buildings. It should be arguments like these.

quote:
and then you suggest that in order to teach someone a lesson we should degrade to animalistic urges and become violent?


So you would just assume let them beat on you while you send witty insults at them?

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I'm guess you'll vote for G.W. next election? You like America's "Carry a big stcik" philosophy? We're too stupid to think of other alternatives than threatening to nuke Iraq- completely debasing Bush's argument that he wants to 'liberate' Iraqis?


That was a totally innaccurate assumption. I hate Bush with a passion. I vote democratically, or libretarian if there are any. The only thing I don't agree with libretatians is gun control. You don't need a handgun or AK-47. Hunting rifles work great for hunting and shooting people who break into your house. You don't need a handgun.

Oh, and we threatened to nuke Iraq? I didn't hear about that...

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am very strongly against the "victim mentality" and will be the first to say something if someone is taking on that
perspective... but not all those who are "depressed" or even depressed are whiny, little brats blaming everyone but themselves. Some people actually fight... and they don't need excuses or justification.


And if only the rest of America was like this...
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126 posted 12-15-2002 01:03 PM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

Goodnes, this is deep stuff.....

I'm  STILL  wondering if anybody likes instrumentals anymore. I even like classical music. My favorite instrumentals are by bands like Henry Mancini, Percy Faith, and Burt Bacharach (is it spelled right?).
I've got a few CD's by various artists....Smooth Classics, The Romantic Collections, and When You Say Love are some of them.

My favorite artist of all time is Rod Stewart, though.....


~Ethel~
gemjop
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127 posted 01-09-2003 08:25 PM       View Profile for gemjop   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for gemjop

I'd just like to say.

  The Beatles
  Rolling Stones
  The strokes
  Coldplay
  Oasis
  The kinks  
  Radio head
  Stereophonics
and more of the Beatles!

i wanna hold your haaaaaand, i wanna hold your hand!
Opeth
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128 posted 01-10-2003 08:49 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth


ISIS ~ Oceanic

This cd amazes me.

maudlin of the Well ~ Bath

The "Pink Floyd" of modern progressive music. The female singer is to die for, she should do Opera. The "death growls" are well executed and the clear male vox are very good too.

[This message has been edited by Opeth (01-10-2003 09:11 AM).]

neveah5
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129 posted 01-10-2003 02:47 PM       View Profile for neveah5   Email neveah5   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit neveah5's Home Page   View IP for neveah5

wow
i have no idea what happened between page 1 and 5..im gonna have to go back and read it all.

I personally like

Fionna Apple
Live
Pearl Jam
Tori Amos
Poe
Ministry
Deftones
Coldplay
The Who
Dire Straits
Led Zeppelin
The Doors


thats just a few
im a music freak
bsquirrel
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130 posted 01-10-2003 05:49 PM       View Profile for bsquirrel   Email bsquirrel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for bsquirrel

The Smiths
Larry C
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131 posted 01-10-2003 11:41 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Okay I have an announcement to make:
Hear ye! Hear ye!
You guys make me feel really, really old!

OH, and Ethel I like those instrumentals. As to genres I have a large collection of religious music and I listen mostly to jazz. But as for all the artists you guys list here...hmmmm, the percentage I seem to know is very small. Dang I feel old, I'm going to bed.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

Wind
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132 posted 01-11-2003 05:14 PM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

You know what I would like to say? PEACE!

I am now afraid to tell you people my opinyns, because they almost allways start arguments. But I am not a coward, and I will tell you this:

All living things can feel pain. So who is to say that the life of a human whould be valued more than that of a dog, a mouse or even a flea. We have been given power, and what have we done? Abused it, destroyed the earth and hurt each other. Forgive me but, I druely dislike the human race and would rather be a dog, a mouse or a flea. They live their lives with honesty, allthough they lack the intalectual and physical abalities to live lives of comfort and lazyness. What I can say is this: this world would be better off without the human race.

As for music, I love

ACDC
America,
Yes, I do like Avril Lavigne
ABBA
I just like too many kinds of music, so I can't list them, expecialy in Alphebetical order

But you know what, it is not the artists that I like. It is the music. Some Artist may write one song, and only one that I love, and I may hate all the others. And I listen, not because people tell me to, but because I tell myself to.


Never be normal!

[This message has been edited by Wind (01-11-2003 06:47 PM).]

neveah5
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133 posted 01-12-2003 02:13 PM       View Profile for neveah5   Email neveah5   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit neveah5's Home Page   View IP for neveah5

I'd have to agree with you Wind..on basically everything you said...except for liking AC DC  
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134 posted 01-12-2003 02:36 PM       View Profile for Local Parasite   Email Local Parasite   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Local Parasite's Home Page   View IP for Local Parasite

Wind, it's funny how you mentioned America, because that paragraph above really made me think of A Horse with No Name... which takes a similar approach to the human race in relation to its environment... "In the desert you can't remember your name, 'cause there ain't no one there to give you no pain."  Basically, pain is something man-made, and the world would exist harmoniously without the human approach to life, without names, without "rain."

I've always found that song inspirational.  Other than that and Muskrat Love, I don't listen to a lot of America.  
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135 posted 01-12-2003 08:17 PM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

A hourse with no name is aslo about love. And I only like ACDC because it makes me laugh. It is so stupid, and I don't know, for that reason I like it.

I am living proof that ghosts exist. Which is an oximoron but I don't care ;)

brian madden
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136 posted 01-14-2003 02:50 PM       View Profile for brian madden   Email brian madden   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for brian madden

I am bored so instead of finding something productive to do with my time i thought i'd reply to this. Music?
in no real order here goes.........

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
manic street preachers
Joy Division
Magazine
Tom Waits
Patti Smith Group (some solo stuff as well)
PJ Harvey
Television
Smashing Pumpkins
Leonard Cohen
Whipping Boy (Irish band, sadly no more)
The Birthday Party
System of a Down (toxicity)
The Clash
Crime and the city solution
Public Enemy
Tori Amos
R.E.M
Radiohead
Marilyn Manson
The Pixies
The Doors
Greenday and Placebo (in my youth)
Theraphy?
Metallica (a few songs)
Air
Morcheeba (only big calm)
Barry Adamson
some latin Jazz
some T-REX and Bowie
some Sonic Youth
James Hall
Bob Dylan (the classics)
Iggy Pop (the classics)

watched from the wings as the scenes were replayed we saw ourselves now as we never have seen" ian curtis

neveah5
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137 posted 01-20-2003 04:50 PM       View Profile for neveah5   Email neveah5   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit neveah5's Home Page   View IP for neveah5

Days of the New

how could i forget them?!?
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138 posted 02-03-2003 11:31 AM       View Profile for Jenn Cirrincione   Email Jenn Cirrincione   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jenn Cirrincione

I'm pretty sure Days of the New is called something else now...hmmm I'm not sure.
On the first page Nirvana was called punk and I must disagree. They started the whole grunge period, and it's like calling Pearl Jam punk, Green Day was punk for a while- as would be Good Charlotte or Sum 41, Mr. T Experience etc... Nirvana, not so much. Sorry just had to address that.

I listen to:
Dixie Chicks
Tori Amos
Fiona Apple
Jewel
Avril
Tim McGraw
So many more...

"I keep looking, looking for something more." Sara Evans

Opeth
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139 posted 02-03-2003 12:16 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"...because that paragraph above really made me think of A Horse with No Name... which takes a similar approach to the human race in relation to its environment... "In the desert you can't remember your name, 'cause there ain't no one there to give you no pain."  Basically, pain is something man-made, and the world would exist harmoniously without the human approach to life, without names, without "rain.""

~ I remember when that song came out, I think I was in 3rd grade. I do believe the meaning of that song is this: Horse is{was} a slang term for heroin, and he is talking about taking heroin and its effects...but I could be wrong.

[This message has been edited by Opeth (02-03-2003 12:39 PM).]

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140 posted 02-03-2003 08:48 PM       View Profile for WindSong   Email WindSong   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for WindSong

Music...Smusic...I listen to anything and pretty much everything. I mean, it really depends on what time of mood I'm in or stuff. I don't care what is on most of the time. Music is music. Sometimes it's Swan Lake music or sometimes it's David Bowie music...Doesn't matter to me, as long as it has a good beat and a rthym, I'm game...Does that answer your question? ~*~Kirah~*~

I lie all the time - infact Im lieing right now!
Today is yesterdays tomorrow.

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141 posted 02-04-2003 09:08 PM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

Uhh... go Pete Yorn. Rah rah...

Seriously.

And Wayne Static. And Bob Dylan. And Sonny from P.O.D. And John Mayer. And...

hhhhmmmmmm.... music good. Yah, good.

~Titus

Es ist gut, daß das Leben die Toten studieren sollte.

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142 posted 02-04-2003 11:02 PM       View Profile for Legallee Insane   Email Legallee Insane   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Legallee Insane

In no real specific order my favourite music includes:
==System of a Down                ==Hatebreed
==Disturbed                       ==Ill Nino
==Slipknot                        ==Kiss
==Soulfly                         ==Korn
==Rage Against the Machine        ==Tool
==Static-X                        ==Staind  
==Mudvayne                        ==Rob Zombie
==Adema                           ==Sevendust
==Orgy                            ==Slayer
==Meshuggah                       ==Pantera
==Rammstein                    ==Morbid Angel
==Megaherz                    ==Skrape
==Coal Chamber                ==Ozzy Osbourne
==Depeche Mode                ==Black Sabbath
==Dream Theater               ==Into Eternity

"Only the fool says in his heart: 'There is no god' -- the wise says it to the world."

chasing rain
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143 posted 02-05-2003 07:00 PM       View Profile for chasing rain   Email chasing rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for chasing rain

Uhm...

In general:
Jars of Clay
Lifehouse
Bleach
Starfield
Seether
Zwan
The Calling
Luna Halo

Soloists:
Remy Shand (local musician gone GRAMMY NOMINEE!!!)
Chantel Kreviazuk (another local musician gone BIG)
Norah Jones
Musiq Soulchild

Classical:

Rachmaninoff
Schubert
Beethoven (like playing his stuff better though)
Chopin (Ballade No.4 for obvious reasons.)

That's about it for today...I keep thinking I've missed something. o_O; Probably.
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144 posted 02-06-2003 12:48 AM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

Zwan!!!!!!!!!!!

Luna Halo!!!!!!!!!

Dude.

~Titus

Es ist gut, daß das Leben die Toten studieren sollte.

Opeth
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145 posted 02-06-2003 11:16 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth


Novembers Doom ~ Of Sculptured Ivy & Stone Flowers

Swedish doom metal with a female touch.
chasing rain
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146 posted 02-06-2003 04:15 PM       View Profile for chasing rain   Email chasing rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for chasing rain

TITUS!!! NO WAY!!!

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147 posted 02-07-2003 01:29 AM       View Profile for Legallee Insane   Email Legallee Insane   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Legallee Insane

PoetryIsLife: "Es ist gut, daß das Leben die Toten studieren sollte."


How so?
PoetryIsLife
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148 posted 02-07-2003 01:43 AM       View Profile for PoetryIsLife   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PoetryIsLife

The lead singer of Luna Halo used to be in a band that never made it, Reality Check, whom I saw play, and loved, and own their CD and love it..... they were awesome. The lead singer and another member started Luna Halo; that other member is the son of the pastor of a former church of mine, back in SoCal.



~Titus

Es ist gut, daß das Leben die Toten studieren sollte.

chasing rain
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149 posted 02-07-2003 05:28 PM       View Profile for chasing rain   Email chasing rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for chasing rain

...and yet again...
TITUS!!! DUDE!!! NO WAY!!!

Lucky. Lend me the CD?

Leah

[This message has been edited by chasing rain (02-07-2003 05:28 PM).]

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