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50 posted 12-07-2002 07:30 AM       View Profile for Marshalzu   Email Marshalzu   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marshalzu's Home Page   View IP for Marshalzu

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51 posted 12-07-2002 08:58 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Queensryche came out with the proverbial bang and went full tilt from there - if you liked Rage to Order, you'll like The Warning.

I disagree with you about rock (music) not being loud and pointed toward teen angst though... it's all perspective. Elvis was once considered lewd, the Beatles loud and hard. It's all relative. When you're used to bee-bop, the Goo Goo Dolls sounds harsh, eh?

Ramones... ick. There was something about that band that always just sat wrong with me... ironically, since one of my all-time favorite punk bands is the Misfits (Danzig's solo work was pretty good too, up to Demonsweat-gurgle-gag-me) which have a very similar sound and venue. Ah well, no accounting for taste.

gg - Billy Joel, in my not-so-humble-opinion, is probably the best overall musician, entertainer, and singer we've ever had. Out of his ENTIRE repetoire (which is considerable to say the least) I only dislike one song. As a matter of fact, if i had to pick ONE song as a favorite, "Scenes From an Italian Restaurant" would be it.
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52 posted 12-07-2002 10:35 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Poetic justic- no, because a new generation of teens matures into that anger. Even if the same groups aren't still around (we all saw the pitiful downhill snowball effect of Maralyin Manson's career) new ones will take their place (because the end of Marilyn Manson was when more conventional asshole music like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, P. Roach, and Eminem (although I actually like Eminem) took the stage).
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53 posted 12-07-2002 11:27 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

Weezer is cool.
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quote:
"the new angry crap music won't be around for much longer because teens grow up and lose all that angst."


Yeah, but there will always be more pissed off teens to come. lol

Besides, a life of anger gives empty people a lot of purpose. Just another form of illusion... and that 'angry crap music' feeds into it. They can be angry without thinking about it or moving forward. It makes it just as shallow as some pop music except that these pissed off little kids think they're 'deep' because they don't listen to Britney. It looks like the music itself is directly mirroring the complete lack of substance existing in our day to day lives. Everything is fast food and labels. "Yes, I'm punk because I shop at Hot Topic." *shakes her head* It's disappointing.

By the way.. hush (I think you were the one that mentioned it) I was going to get an Ani DiFranco cd because a friend suggested her to me, but I wasn't sure which one to get. Which one would you suggest?

i was here

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55 posted 12-07-2002 02:36 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

What is silly about "angry teen music" is that the musicians are generally much older than the teens listening.

Of course, pop music is generally the simplest form of music, which also makes it the least creative. This type of music becomes popular because the majority of people either do not have an ear for more challenging music or they are biased towards music they can't immediately understand or they just want something simple to learn and dance to.

[This message has been edited by Opeth (12-07-2002 02:37 PM).]

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Enjoying this whole punk discussion, and I am going to confuse matters more,

I believe that first there was proto punk which would include bands like
the Stooges and New york dolls. These bands were the inspiration
for the return to basics approach of punk. British punk tended as Mikey
pointed out to be more political than US punk. To quote Mikey
“It was about trying to survive in a society that had grown more bleak and gray”
The Pistols spoke of “no future” much of the Clash’s first album looks at the radical tension (white riot),  the boredom (London Burning, remote control) and the limited employment (career opportunities).

That was just part of it, not all punk bands were political, the Buzzcock’s wrote mainly love songs or
As Hush said songs about “trouble with girls and other such things” with songs such “ever fall in love?” and “ orgasm addict” as did Blondie. Their heavy keyboard sound makes them more New Wave than Punk

Depeche Mode I would call electronic not industrial,

By now I have probably bored everyone.

I used to make phantoms I could later chase images of all that could be desired then I got tired of counting all of these blessings"h.devoto magazine

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57 posted 12-07-2002 05:41 PM       View Profile for Ryan   Email Ryan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ryan

I like this discussion.  I used to listen to Pink Floyd a lot, but now, not so much.  By the time of the Wall, their music was so bloated, that it's no surprise people wore shirts with slogans like "I hate Pink Floyd."  Now, their early early stuff is a different matter altogether, and that's the only Pink Floyd I really listen to anymore (with a few exceptions).

A couple more proto-punk bands were the MC5 and the Velvet Undergound.  From there is where esentially everything in the alternative rock category today came from.  From the Velvet Underground,  you can get to anything underground in the 80's (Pixies, REM, Jesus and Mary Chain, etc etc).  And from there, you get to Nirvana and the explosion of the 90's grunge/post-grunge bands.  I have a friend who contends Nirvana is really the only true grunge band and I can tend to agree.  And today, there is the garage revival which can be traced straight back to the Velvet Underground, Stooges, etc.

And like brian, I'm afraid I've bored everyone by now.

Ryan
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Well put, Jaime.
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Oh look I exist after all. I was beginning to think it was a myth.

i was here

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60 posted 12-07-2002 11:42 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Jaime-

With Ani DiFranco, every CD has a totally different flavor. My favorites are her first CD, self titled, and Living in Clip, her first live album.

The self-titled CD is just her and her guitar. It's really a great album- she wrote the songs when she was about my age (18-19) and I can't believe the scope of someone performing at that age, compared to, say, Avril Lavigne. I don't know much about guitars, but what she plays has a very intricate sound to it, and my friend's brother has played guitar for years and according to him, her music is very intricate and hard to learn. Lyrically, she's really good- very spoken-word artist meets musician. Her subjects go from love to abortion to politics in general to feminism... it's just a very solid album.

Living in Clip has a pretty good sampling from all of her albums up to that time, and her passion on this album (a double CD) is absolutely phenomenal. It's a really good CD to get if you want a sampling of all her different styles- but just as an FYI, her live versions vary significantly from album versions of songs. If you're into improvisational live stuff, this is a great CD, but don't get too stuck in the style of it and expect album versions to sound the same.

If you want me to blather on and on some more (I'd be happy to), please tell me. Without that request, I have to assume that everyone's bored of reading this.

Opeth-

I'd say that Weezer exudes cool like a designer imposter perfume. It's their schtick- "Hey ladies, look, we're ultra-liberal sweater-wearing horn-rimmed geeks, but we do drugs, ain't we cute and oh-so 1950's hip?" It sickens me. I liked the album with "Say it ain't so" on it, but after that, I have to give them a big thumbs down... they are all tacky glossy packaging if you ask me.
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61 posted 12-07-2002 11:54 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Ryan-

I can see why you'd use the term bloated for 'The Wall' era Pink Floyd... the thing about that album is that it's a concept album, a damn huge one at that- it's almost impossible to pull it off without the proper theatricism- it needs to be pompous to work. You have to be a very arrogant artist to believe that you can conceptualize something that huge and intricate and pull it off- but in my opinion, they did, marvelously.

That album, to me, is the equivalent of a 1500-page novel that you read and re-read incessantly, finding new intricacies every time you open it up. What can I say? It got into my head, and it took me well over a year to get it out.

I'm kind of touch-and-go on Syd barret-era Floyd- the instrumentals (especially Interstellar Overdrive) are absolutely mindblowing- they wrote the song with the intention that it be listened to on LSD- I can safely say, even without that experience, that the song just completely distorts reality- especially when listened to on a pair of headphones... However, I'm not so hip on the poppy ballads they did... reminds me too much of the Beatles- I can respect the value inherent in the style, but it simply doesn't appeal to me that much.

Obviously, I've got my soft spot for Roger Waters- after he left, "Pink Floyd" encountered a downward spiral into barely-above-average 80's synth-rock. (Ever listen to the song 'The Dogs of War'? *rolls eyes*) But I have got to get off of my Pink Floyd soapbox, or I'll rant about them all night.
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62 posted 12-08-2002 01:06 AM       View Profile for Ryan   Email Ryan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ryan

hush --

I agree with what you say about the Wall.  I once gave it much more credit than I do now (I even bought the live release of it the day it came out a few years ago).  So maybe I just tired myself out on it.  But listening to it now, other than individual moments (Run Like Hell), I just don't enjoy it much.  I agree with you about Floyd's downfall after Waters left, though I kind of think it started after Dark Side of the Moon.  Wish You Were Here is (in my opinion) an uneven album with a couple great songs and some I can't stand.  I can't make it through anything on Animals at all (except the opening/closing acoustic song).  I like a lot of their early stuff, both the instrumental stuff and the pop stuff.  I have a feeling the pop songs would have developed more and improved each album if Syd hadn't lost it.  I've always found it interesting that their Pink Floyd's debut came out a few months before Sgt. Pepper, yet Sgt. Pepper is what always gets the credit for the psychedelic pop song, I guess we can call it.  The music on the albums between Syd leaving and Dark Side is probably as uneven as the stuff after Dark Side, but I think it's musically more appealing (Meddle is a good example).

I should stop ranting now too for the good of everyone.

Ryan

(listen to Weezer's second album, it is the opposite of everything you described them as, so you might like it)
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Opeth, I disagree that pop is the simplest form of music... One of the simpler forms, definetly, but not the simplest. I'd say rap is the simplest. If you consider it music, of course, which I don't...

I find is discouraging that many people think that Pink Floyd went way down hill after Waters left...

A Momentary Lapse of Reason was the second of their albums I bought(Dark Side of the Moon was first, of course). I loved it. Every day for a period of three months I would look forward to coming home and listening to that cd... Signs of life being a mellow, almost trance, piece, with learning to fly being unusually poppy for a Floyd song, The Dogs of War an OK(I appreciate it more now) song, but leading up to something better. One Slip has pretty cool bass, but I think the song was pretty weak for being the title song(or whatever you call it)... On The Turning Away is a beautiful piece, though. Lyrically and musically it just plain rocks. The New Machine things are kinda weird... Terminal Frost is pretty cool, a good instrumental. And Sorrow was is also really good, though I think they should have had the full versions of Marooned and Echoes on Echoes instead of it.

The Division Bell is one of my favorite albums. The whole thing shows that even though they're old and greying, they can still make awesome, groundbreaking music. They even won a grammy for Marooned, one of their best instrumentals in my opinion.

I don't really like their old psychadelic stuff though... I think if Syd hadn't left they wouldn't have gone nearly as far as they have. Astronomy Domine is OK, but I think they did it far better in Pulse. And some of the other stuff... Wow. I can't believe people could label DSOTM as acid rock and not Piper At the Gates of Dawn...

Again, I say that music has not always been angry. Sure, parents thought Elvis and The Beatles to be terrible... But it's totally different. Did the Beatles ever sing about killing themselves or killing other people? Did they play no more than three chords? No. They sang about drugs and love and other random things(I don't listen to them an awful lot anymore), they weren't targetting angst ridden teens... I doubt they were targetting anyone. They were just expressing themselves. Same with Elvis. Parents hated him because he was too sexual, not because he was angry.

I know new teens will replace the old ones... But music is an ever changing form of expression. That crap is "in" right now. Soon it'll be out, and no one will remember them. Hell, they may even be considered a terrible product of the decade, like pop stars from the 80s... Although I personally like 80s music(I was born in that decade, after all)

What I find ironic here is that none of those bands actually have teens in them... They can't be angst ridden teens, so they are obviously targetting those kids on purpose. And I agree about the lack of depth involved. How does sayinghow angry you are and going "ahhhhhh" every now and then make you deep? To me, for a song to be deep, it must have good lyrics. However, to be good it must have good music. I like Pink Floyd and Queensryche and other progressive rock/metal bands because they are both.
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Hush,

~ I haven't heard any of their music after their first two cds...and those, imo, were both very good. Not my favorite genre of music, but light and unique.
quote:

Opeth, I disagree that pop is the simplest form of music... One of the simpler forms, definetly, but not the simplest. I'd say rap is the simplest. If you consider it music, of course, which I don't...


~ Rap is pop and is also not music...it is a form of poetry. So, I agree.
quote:

I find is discouraging that many people think that Pink Floyd went way down hill after Waters left...


~ They lost their edge after Water's left.

[This message has been edited by Opeth (12-08-2002 10:16 AM).]

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hush -

Thanks for the help. I don't mind if you want to keep going.     I have a chance at getting some of her CD's with Christmas coming and all so the guidance in picking the best CD's to start out with I can appreciate.

---------------------------

I like to dance and I like to sing... so yes, sometimes rap, pop, and music relating to those types are fun to have around. I do like Eminem (okay, who's going to shake their head in disgust first? lol), but mostly all rap is about is killing people, sex, weed, 'hoes', and life on the streets. I understand the need to express 'life on the streets' because I'd be pissed off if someone told me I wasn't allowed to write about rape, manic depression, abuse, etc. - but that doesn't mean that you Only go in that direction. I was watching a profile on Snoop Dog and he said that he learned a lot from the past and decided he didn't want any part of the violence anymore. Okay, that's great, but what about the music? What about the message that you're sending out to your people? (Because yes, it does come back to colour. Still. Unfortunately.)

Okay, I'm done now.    



i was here

[This message has been edited by Jaime (12-08-2002 10:10 AM).]

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'I'd say rap is the simplest. If you consider it music, of course, which I don't...'

WHAT does everybody HAVE against rap as an art form?

Sometimes uppity white people (sorry to make an assumption) who can't even accept an art form that belongs primarily to another race really tick me off. Do you ever listen to the way rap artists use words? Opeth's right in calling it a form of poetry, but I would say it blurs the line between poetry and music- the music works around the word rhythms, rather than the other way around that you often find in rock and pop.

It's about diversity. Does that mean I think 'kill'em-kill'em' ghetto rap is sending out a good message? No, of course not- it boils down to culture and color (I agree with you Jaime) and what is popular (practical?) in certain communities.

But you can't malign an entire music genre for that, because there are people who amke positive rap songs- are they in the majority, no. But even if you don't agree with the message, in my opinion, the music form should be much more respected (especially in a poetic group) than it is. If we learn to respect the form, we can learn something from it.

---
On Pink Floyd, I don't know what everyone gets their rocks off on DSOTM- of their three 'big' Albums of that era (The other two being the Wall and Wish you were here) I think it's the weakest. I understand why it's so groundbreaking, but lyrically, I think it could have had some more development.

Ryan- I agree with you that Animals sucked. The concept could have been cool if it didn't fall so weightily within theparameters of cliche (I mean, come on, flying pigs, dogs, sheep....)

I completely disagree on Wish You Were Here- that album is second only to The Wall in my estimation, and it comes close to rivaling it in some ways. Pink Floyd has a tendency to appeal mainly to intellect, and I thnk this album effectively shows their balance between intellect and emotion- hey these guys have feelings as well as smarts... cool.

Jaime-

The first Ani album I got was Not a Pretty Girl- if you are most accustomed to tradtional rock music, this is probably the easiest to get used to. If you like jazzier stuff, try To the Teeth (fairly political) or Revelling/Reckoning (more introspective). If you wnat something that sounds a little lighter, try Little Plastic Castle (probably her least political CD). Out of Range is a good album, also has kind of a lighter sound. Living in Clip is her first live album, So much Shouting, So much Laughter is her second. I think Living in Clip is better. And her self-titled, like I said before, blends simplicity and complexity amazingly well...

good luck.
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I would not put down rap music as an art form, whether I enjoy it or not. And I don't. I do believe it is a form of poetry, which includes the use of rhythm. If it is to be called a type of music, then the music portion is very simple, indeed. Too simple for my tastes.

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I find the art of rap in of itself and attitude is very weak without strong background music and a singing voice accompanying.  For ex. I liked  "Gangsta's Paradise" by Coolio because it adds these very well. Also P!nk's "Respect." And there have been many others that use rap in this style, I think it is at its best like that. Just my opinion.

[This message has been edited by Essorant (12-08-2002 03:04 PM).]

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Iced Earth
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Opeth
Pantera
A Perfect Circle
Dark Tranquility
Nevermore
Rhapsody
Black Label Society
and occassionaly...Sublime
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It is good to know that there are some Opeth fans on this site.

btw..My daughter loves Rhapsody.

How could I forget A Perfect Circle?
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Irony - one of my favorite Floyd songs is Dogs of War. Go figure.

A Perfect Circle... rocks, right up there (of course) with Tool.
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Iced Earth is dissapointingly bad.  And somehow I never understood the popularity of A Perfect Circle.

Maybe I'm missing something.
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I am missing more.  I've never heard of either!


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Yes, Christopher, Billy Joel is one of the best all-around entertainers ever
to be on this planet, I think. I also like Elton John and John Denver..
(Yeah, I know they're not in the same categories, but I still
like to hear both their musical talents.)

But....I'm still wondering, does anybody here still like to
listen to instumentals, like Percy Faith and Henry Mancini??  


~Ethel~

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