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quietlydying
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0 posted 11-15-2002 12:21 PM       View Profile for quietlydying   Email quietlydying   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for quietlydying

and people wonder why i absolutely despise internet slang.

'but it's so much easier!!' [the following was to be said in an annoying teenybopper whine].

bleh.


this is a link but i'm frustrated with the forums right now

/jen/



i'm so bitterly disappointed.  betty, i think it's time you leave now.

[This message has been edited by quietlydying (11-15-2002 12:25 PM).]

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Unless one is a member, there's no entrance.  But I can understand the frustration, Jen, very well.  Thanks for sharing.
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2 posted 11-15-2002 02:13 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I guess "lol"
would be inappropriate in this case?

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Net chat lingo leaves sum ppl at loss for words


Fri, Nov 15, 2002

By Chris Sorensen



TORONTO -- After 24 years as a public school teacher, Janice Manson thought she had seen it all.
Then one day she received a homework assignment from a high school student that contained bizarre abbreviations where nouns and verbs might have stood. People became "ppl." And "lol" seemed to mean laughing out loud.

"We've always had an issue with colloquialisms," says Manson, head of the English department at Erindale Secondary School in Mississauga. "But in the last four years it's like somebody threw a switch."

Manson says that the breezy abbreviated language of Internet chat rooms and instant messaging is invading high school English classrooms.

Students raised with computers and cellular phones are coming to class with a language of their own. In fact, some educators say, new technologies are influencing not just the way their students write, but the way they think.

"These kids have no distinction between (Internet) chatting and formal communication," says Manson. "It's a daily subject of discussion for us." Manson says the problem is particularly evident in Grades 9 and 10, where some students have mustered up the courage to tell teachers to get with the times and "start speaking their language." Increasingly, "their language" is a hybrid of written words and abbreviations.

The short, choppy style -- R U goin 2 Amy's 2nt? -- is most commonly used with instant messaging software, such as Microsoft's MSN Messenger, Yahoo! Messenger and ICQ, to speed up and personalize real-time conversations on-line.

"There's a limit to how many letters you can use, so if you write it in slang it's shorter," explains Evalyn Orias, 13, a Grade 8 student at Holy Family Catholic School in Toronto. She uses MSN Messenger to chat with friends while on-line and SMS (short messaging service) to fire off notes on her cell phone when there's no computer nearby.

Evalyn admits she has handed in homework sprinkled with chat-speak before, albeit without fully realizing it. "You just forget, and then the teacher gives it back and says it's wrong."

Evalyn isn't alone. A recent survey by Pollara and a University of Waterloo professor, conducted on behalf of Microsoft, found that 80 per cent of youths between the ages of 16 and 19 use some variation of instant messaging on their home computers. By comparison, only 31 per cent of people over the age of 35 use the function.

While the poll didn't survey youths under the age of 16, it found that 44 per cent of the 16-19 age group regularly used abbreviations like G2G (got to go) or TTYL (Talk to you later) in their messages. Manson says most students are quick to recognize the difference between chat-speak and essay composition once it's pointed out to them, but she still worries about the cumulative effect of the wired world on her students.

"They can't create the cause-and-effect structure of a sentence," she says. "You get fragments, you don't get whole thoughts any more.

"It's gone -- just gone -- in literally four years."

According to Doug Brent, a professor of communication and culture at the University of Calgary, the appearance of chat-room lingo in homework is just one side of a larger coin: the jumbled, click-and-run nature of the Internet.

Traditional academic skills rely heavily on linear thinking, Brent explains. Essays start with an introduction and end with a conclusion. Similarly, scientific experiments begin with a hypothesis and proceed through a set of well-defined and ordered steps.

It's a thought process developed over thousands of years, he continues. It began with the adoption of an alphabet and a written language, and blossomed with invention of printing. Education evolved into an ordered endeavour, in much the same way lines of type are arranged on the page of a textbook.

Not so on the Internet. Unlike books, there is no beginning or end to a Web page, since it can be hyperlinked to and from thousands of others. An interest in volcanic eruptions can morph with a couple of mouse clicks into the ecosystems of the Azores, a virtual boat tour of Sydney Harbour or the sounds of Japanese top-40 radio.

It's all learning, but it's also a lot of jumping around from place to place and from idea to idea. -- Toronto Star

i'm so bitterly disappointed.  betty, i think it's time you leave now.

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I confess I was familiar with this, and I do remember my own confusion the first time I ever entered a chat room:

serenity: "why is everyone "lolling" about?"

blah #1: "LOL"

blah #2: "lol"

blah #3: "rofl"

blah #4: "roflmao"


sigh...sorry jen---sometimes I run in circles to make a point...
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5 posted 11-16-2002 06:39 PM       View Profile for quietlydying   Email quietlydying   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for quietlydying

quit yer lolling!!



/jen/

i'm so bitterly disappointed.  betty, i think it's time you leave now.

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Imagine someone using these in their poetry? Hey it happens HERE!

Learn to spell!!!


I agree...I agree...good discussion.
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so i like talking like this cuz like its funner the inet talk is alot easier cuz you dont got to think as much (oh my god, get a life!)

"Sticks and stones will break my bones,
But words will break my heart"

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Well now see, there you are.  I would much prefer to read something as Jen brought forth, in English [or French or Japanese or German, if I could read those languages] then in inet speak as Wind so kindly added.  Get a life?  In life one needs a job, and inet language is not going to fly in the kind of work I perform.  Now, if you are going to work in computers, and need acronyms everytime you time around, that's different.  For some actions, I, too, have been lazy, because I for one am an avid laugher, and for me to say each and every time someone tickles my funny bone by a pun or joke or cute poem, that I'm going to be laughing out loud for the rest of the evening, well, then, I can see the expediency of a quick LOL...

But if I want someone to really understand me, and for me not to appear as if I am being flip, then I'm going to stick to typing everything out...just like now.

I've been accused of speedtyping by more than one person around here...and that's just fine with me!  
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It just bothers me. I can't stand it sometimes.

"Sticks and stones will break my bones,
But words will break my heart"

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10 posted 11-18-2002 04:16 PM       View Profile for Skyfire   Email Skyfire   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Skyfire

I think that sometimes people use abbreviations to hide what they're really feeling if they're talking to a good friend. I know I start using abbreviations a lot when I'm talking to Vicky or someone, and suddenly get upset or angry... I guess it's my way of letting whomever I'm talking to that something's wrong. :/
Inet speak drives me crazy though. Some, like TTYL or BBFN or BRB is fine in my view... but to the extent that other people can't read what one is saying is pointless.

I am a Knight who says Ni!

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and i well imagine if shakespeare could hear us speak or read anything we have written he would be loling across the globe stage.

language evolves

i just wonder if those with dialup connections evolve slower than those with broadband.

j/k of course

J

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as a former CS major, i used to help people with their code from time to time. the code and comments are hard to understand in good form (especially since they wanted help when it did not work), on top of that the buggers would use slang and arbitrary abbreviations! i went mad.

i may not be abel to spel worth too hoots, but at least i am not trying to use some strange dialect!

my old (both ways) english teacher was constantly telling us how since the advent of the internet she had noticed a drop of almost a half of a grade in her class averages!

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13 posted 11-18-2002 06:05 PM       View Profile for bsquirrel   Email bsquirrel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for bsquirrel

ROTFLMSASLIHATCOGFFIWSUN.
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eeehh

Never be normal!

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rolling oranges, two fat lemons, marshmellows so angry swallowed lovin' iguanas' hats. Cold, old gifts fart from inside whenever Suzen underestimated neards

Never be normal!

[This message has been edited by Wind (11-18-2002 06:17 PM).]

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uhhhh?

/jen/

i'm so bitterly disappointed.  betty, i think it's time you leave now.

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Subtlety doesn't work on this crowd?

rolling on the floor laughing myself silly as sunday lolls its head around the corner of gone fishin' friday i will shut up now.
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ROTFLMSASLIHATCOGFFIWSUN. Thats what bsquirrel wrote...

Never be normal!

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I hate internet slang, and I find it used so much with kids my age.  But dont worry, I always correct them


~lisa

[This message has been edited by LCBS (11-19-2002 07:32 PM).]

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I thought slang is just that slang...

I think the explanation to the increasing use of abbreviated words is the affection that most of us possess towards abbreviation, thinking it helps, and everybody else can understand...

er.. do you?

regards,
sudhir

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